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George de Mohrenschildt Feared For His Life In The End.

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George de Mohrenschildt Feared For His Life In The End.

Post by Tommy & Hilde Wilkens on Sun 07 Sep 2014, 4:00 am

In our research and study of the Willem Oltmans archives in Den Haag The Netherlands we found several notes that Oltmans recorded concerning George de Mohrenschildt's fear that someone was stalking him just a month before he was found dead in Palm Beach County Florida.The personal notes revealed a strange story that de Mohrenschildt had told Oltmans that on several occasions while teaching French  at Bishop College he would return to his car and the car would be gone . Moved from were he had left the car in the parking lot.And then after a search of the other parking lots on the campus he would find his car had been moved. Oltmans goes on to ask de Mohrenschildt if he possible could be mistaken were he had parked his car.And de Mohrenschildt was certain something strange was going on and he knew just were he had left his car parked.On one of Oltmans many visits to the de Mohrenschildt's home which he visited several times each year and stayed as there house guest from a week to two weeks at a time for over ten years he accompanied de Mohrenschildt to the College and entered the building with de Mohrenschildt and when they returned to the car it was gone.Now Oltmans told in his notes that he knew first hand now that something strange was going on because he knew just were the car had been parked.So the two walk around the campus and there the car was sitting in another buildings parking area. But this time was a bit different. Sitting on the front seat of the Ford Pinto was a small note saying ." We know were you are and we will get you " Oltmans tells in his notes that it left both men worried and scared that something strange was going on. de Mohrenschildt was in fact being stalked just a month before his death !!!!

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Re: George de Mohrenschildt Feared For His Life In The End.

Post by Guest on Sun 07 Sep 2014, 5:08 am

Indeed the manner and timing of De Mohrenschildt's death are questionable in my view. How did feelings of asserted guilt overwhelm him just before his scheduled testimony to a Congressional committee?  I have also read about De Morenschildt questioning officials if they went into house and changed his manuscript. While some believe many deaths are connected I would contend only a handful of key people feasibly need to be dispatched and were under highly dubious circumstances. George is one of them in my view. The rest were obvious homicides but George the lone suicide.

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Post by gerrrycam on Sun 07 Sep 2014, 1:56 pm

Win Scott,Frank Wiesner and J. Garrett UNDERHILL  all died from gun shot.David Ferrie told a number of people that he was dead man after Garrason inditted him

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Post by Guest on Sun 07 Sep 2014, 3:51 pm

Gerry,

        I do not doubt that many associated with the JFK assassination may have circumstances which are questionable regarding their deaths. However I would contend only so many actually have evidence and circumstances that would make them feasible. 

How many of the deaths were people integral to a plot? How many deaths occurred in a viable direct association? For instance De Mohrenschildt was an associate of Oswald, he associated with CIA operatives, and provided information to the CIA. He dies just before additional testimony to Congress. I would contend that it requires all those factors to be related to the Assassination. 

While some died who were involved in peripheral matters or were not integral to a plot in my view are not mysterious deaths regarding the case. They may have died mysteriously but in my view not in direct connection. To avoid attention only the necessary would be killed.

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Post by gerrrycam on Sun 07 Sep 2014, 4:15 pm

Scott,,De Mohrenschildt and Ferrie all where part of setup
and Underhill and Weisner new who did planning.

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Post by Guest on Mon 08 Sep 2014, 6:35 am

Non,

        Well I would first ask is there evidence of these connections? Second, why did that many people need to be involved to kill one person? I do concede Winston Scott, De Morenschildt, and Ferrie were connected to aspects of the case yet I have not seen evidence that puts them acting in concert. Additionally Underhill and Weisner may have had a hand in intimidating De Mohrenschildt yet this does not infer they were involved in his murder. I am more than willing to refine my view I would just like to see the evidence that makes this idea feasible.

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Post by gerrrycam on Mon 08 Sep 2014, 1:26 pm

Carmine i think it starts at bay of pigs and 30 plus years of friendship between Pash,D W Richardson and Win Scott
Weisner was loosing it and been cut out of CIA and he knew what Pash did and talked to social friend Underhill.

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Post by Guest on Mon 08 Sep 2014, 2:56 pm

Your idea sounds reasonable. Pash was alleged to operate an assassination group by E. Howard Hunt, however I am leery of anything said by E. Howard Hunt.  

Yet these deaths are not necessarily directly connected to the assassination of President Kennedy. In my view like the Castro assassination plots, other assassination plot do offer means and motive to many not just the CIA. Some of these men had militant connections, enemies, and while the many assassination plots set the stage for JFK's murder they in my view are not necessarily connected.

De Morehnschildt however knew Oswald, he was a involved in the Oswald family's lives. He was a factor in later investigations. He was noted to be vocal about his doubts and he was scheduled for repeated testimony. These additional factors in my view grant a direct connection. His possible direct connection with Oswald at key times might have necessitated his death in my view.

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Post by Guest on Mon 08 Sep 2014, 3:08 pm

Tommy & Hilde Wilkens wrote:In our research and study of the Willem Oltmans archives in Den Haag The Netherlands we found several notes that Oltmans recorded concerning George de Mohrenschildt's fear that someone was stalking him just a month before he was found dead in Palm Beach County Florida.The personal notes revealed a strange story that de Mohrenschildt had told Oltmans that on several occasions while teaching French  at Bishop College he would return to his car and the car would be gone . Moved from were he had left the car in the parking lot.And then after a search of the other parking lots on the campus he would find his car had been moved. Oltmans goes on to ask de Mohrenschildt if he possible could be mistaken were he had parked his car.And de Mohrenschildt was certain something strange was going on and he knew just were he had left his car parked.On one of Oltmans many visits to the de Mohrenschildt's home which he visited several times each year and stayed as there house guest from a week to two weeks at a time for over ten years he accompanied de Mohrenschildt to the College and entered the building with de Mohrenschildt and when they returned to the car it was gone.Now Oltmans told in his notes that he knew first hand now that something strange was going on because he knew just were the car had been parked.So the two walk around the campus and there the car was sitting in another buildings parking area. But this time was a bit different. Sitting on the front seat of the Ford Pinto was a small note saying ." We know were you are and we will get you " Oltmans tells in his notes that it left both men worried and scared that something strange was going on. de Mohrenschildt was in fact being stalked just a month before his death !!!!

Hm, very interesting. But... "while teaching French at Bishop College"? Is it not possible this was some kind of a school prank played by the students on a vulnerable professor? (I've heard and seen such).

What kind of car was it? I don't suppose it was a VW, known for being moved around by prankster college students?

(Sorry, just playing devil's advocate and someone had to ask). Smile

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Post by greg parker on Mon 08 Sep 2014, 3:25 pm

Hm, very interesting. But... "while teaching French at Bishop College"? Is it not possible this was some kind of a school prank played by the students on a vulnerable professor? (I've heard and seen such).
The same thought occurred to me, Carmine. And the one day Oltmans was with him is the day mystery is also accompanied by a note.  

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Post by Guest on Tue 09 Sep 2014, 6:48 am

Non,

        Indeed it could have been a prank. I would not rely on the note as conclusive of course. I disagree with some of Oltman's ideas but based on De Mohrenschildt's manuscript compared to his Commission testimony does offer contending incidents. If that is paired with his repeated associations with CIA agents as a Confidential Informant and with Oswald it becomes more feasible. I also believe we should accept he may have killed himself. However if he was driven to it by harassment, intimidation, and his existing mental difficulties it is a murder from afar.

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Post by gerrrycam on Tue 09 Sep 2014, 12:07 pm

Carmine some ? about de Mohrenschildt
Was his 1 year hike a coverstory?
Mr. TAYLOR. Uh--and this they claim to have done, yet further information indicated to me that their trip extended only to the portion of South America where the Cuban refugees were being trained to invade Cuba and that this trip coincided and that they were in the area while all this training was going on. And, so, from that--from these observations----

Did the Secret Service have copy of DeM passport indicating he traveled to europe  in this period ?

Did Mohamed Al-Fayed deM partner have an afair with Gary Taylers wife?

Was Nancy Tilton and John Tilton (COINTELPRO)related?

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Post by Guest on Tue 09 Sep 2014, 1:18 pm

Gerry,

        Indeed the cover story is feasible as well. De Mohrenschildt is another one of those people with contending testimony and claims. At least we can attach feasible importance to him in my view based on the evidence and his circumstances of his death. It would not surprise me if he was further involved in the anti-Castro plots however his possible role in shaping Oswald's guilt then declaring his innocence is noteworthy.

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