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No Shots Fired From The TSBD

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Re: No Shots Fired From The TSBD

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Thu 26 Apr 2018, 4:47 pm

Stan,
Powder residue is indicative of the slow sealing, and an actual discoloration of the brass where its prolonged.

All the various test brass photos should be compared.
There were plenty of tests...
At sometime during the period March 17, 1964 to March
30, 1964, rifle was tested by the Weapons Evaluation Branch,
Department of Army, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland. Also,
during or about March 1964, the rifle was tested at Edgewood
Arsenal, Maryland.

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Re: No Shots Fired From The TSBD

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Thu 26 Apr 2018, 4:49 pm

Much obliged Mick!
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Re: No Shots Fired From The TSBD

Post by Stan Dane on Thu 26 Apr 2018, 6:28 pm

Ed. Ledoux wrote:Stan,
Powder residue is indicative of the slow sealing, and an actual discoloration of the brass where its prolonged.

All the various test brass photos should be compared.
There were plenty of tests...
At sometime during the period March 17, 1964 to March
30, 1964, rifle was tested by the Weapons Evaluation Branch,
Department of Army, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland. Also,
during or about March 1964, the rifle was tested at Edgewood
Arsenal, Maryland.

Cheers,
Ed

Makes sense, Ed.
 
Is the thinking that the 6.5x52mm Carcano ammo had these slow sealing problems when fired, either occasionally or routinely? If so, then we should expect to see evidence of slow sealing (powder residue, case discoloration) on the spent cartridges? And if not, that might suggest the cartridges found in the TSBD were not recently fired?  I'm still getting up to speed on this.
 
And yes, if there are photos available of the spent cartridges, it would be good to look at them closely.
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Re: No Shots Fired From The TSBD

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Fri 27 Apr 2018, 9:28 am

I think you've got it by george!
Dont know tho if Carcano rifles are prone to this, seems a rare case.
When scores of rifles chambers are reemed out the tool can wear, and possibly cause chamber irregularities.
The test shells should tell us if that rifle c2766 with similar ammo has those propensites.
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Re: No Shots Fired From The TSBD

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Thu 03 May 2018, 3:39 pm

Rifle Cartridge and Cartridge Cases

When the rifle was found, one cartridge was in the chamber.26 The cartridge was a 6.5-millimeter Mannlicher-Carcano cartridge, manufactured by the Western Cartridge Co., at East Alton, Ill. This type of cartridge is loaded with a full metal-jacketed, military type of bullet, weighing 160-161 grains. The bullet has parallel sides and a round nose. It is just under 1.2 inches long, and just over one-fourth inch in diameter.27 Its velocity is approximately 2,165 feet per second.28 The cartridge is very dependable; in tests runs by the FBI and the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army, the C2766 rifle was fired with this Western Cartridge Co. ammunition over 100 times, with no misfires.

Hmmm Im having trouble finding these 100 spent cartriges.
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Post by barto on Tue 08 May 2018, 5:25 pm

Yeah darling what building did those shots come from? 

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Re: No Shots Fired From The TSBD

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 5:44 pm

Thanks Bart, these guys dig themselves deeper holes...

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