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Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?"

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?"

Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 1:52 pm

Mick Purdy

This would be our Benny then.



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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 1:53 pm

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Now we need to recheck if Benny (Not Berry) was related to Warren. Cool

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 1:54 pm

Mick Purdy

The first name of Berry struck me as unusual so I've done some searches.

I'm glad you found that name unusual, Phil!

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 1:58 pm

Mick Purdy

From the old forum:

Sat 14 Jun 2014, 12:46 pm
 
Caster's grandfather, father, father's siblings, etc,:
(His name was Benny J., not Berry J.....)
 
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19683503
 
Proof of the Berry/Benny name mix up.:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1186.msg315689.html#msg315689
 
....and links to Warren D Caster obit, his wife's obit, and his brother's obit.:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7214&p=235504
 

I find no near, blood relationship between Benny and Warren Caster.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 1:59 pm

Mick Purdy

Now, did Benny look like Oswald back in the day?

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:03 pm

Mick Purdy

Far Left: pinned - 2519 W Fifth St Dorothy Roberts: 

Top: pinned - Counter Top Irving 1826 Parkside Ave Irving:

Far Right: pinned - Benny Caster. 214 W Shady Grv Irving:

Far Left also: pinned - Randle residence 2439 Westbrook Drv Irving:



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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:05 pm

Mick Purdy

The questions for me are - was Benny Caster picked up by William Randle that Friday morning from home - or the office to make the trip to Austin? And if so what time?

Did Benny make his own way to the Randles? If so in what vehicle?

For Roberts to have claimed what she had told the Schneiders - that she saw Willie with Lee in a car on the Friday morning, then if it was not Lee then the only other person it logically could have been is Benny.

If we could find out from Benny what time he left with Randle to go to Austin and where they departed from - then that IMO would go a long way in establishing if Willie Randle did or did not have Oswald in his car that morning.

Of course there is the possibility that Roberts got it wrong and had observed Wes and Lee in Wes's car. 

But for Roberts to observe this event, the pair would have probably had to have departed from the Paine's house - which is after all what had happened nearly every other time they left for work.

Marina in her WC testimony has stated that on another occasion she thought Linnie Randle may have picked Lee up for work and driven him to the bus stop. 

Either way for Roberts to have observed Lee in a car with somebody else at or near her home then the car would have most likely had to pass her home driving West along W Fifth street that's assuming either Linnie Mae, Bill Randle or Wes had picked Oswald up from the Paine's.

Roberts would have never seen or observed Lee in a car with a driver, if he'd made the walk to the Randles as they would have departed for the TSBD driving East - avoiding driving past 2519 West Fifth street.

It is more than possible that Roberts observed Randle and Caster together in a car. But this matter could be settled if Benny Caster could divulge the detail of the when how and where of that trip to Austin.


It would be mildly interesting if we could eliminate Caster as the passenger in Willies car at around the time Oswald was leaving for work that Friday morning.



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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:06 pm

Ed Ledoux

Aloha Phil,
Aces on the Berry - Benny interchange. Never trust the FBI or WC is giving he correct spelling,  So what was BENNY up to?

AIRMAN BENNY J. CASTER. son of Martin E. Caster d 214 W. Shady Grove, Irving« Tex., has completed his ini- tail course of Air Farce basic military training here. He has been selected to attend the technical training school for Aircraft Missile Maintenance at Chanute. AFFi 111. Airman Caster attended Irving High School.
Irving Daily News » 1958 » October » 30 Oct 1958, Thu » Page 58
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/48089797/

Two Men Injured In Irving Wrecks Two Irv'ing men were injured in separate accidents, both on Shady Grove Rd., Thursday morning. One was hospitalized in Dallas and the other was treated in Irving and released. Jack Covington, 23,of 1510 Rindle, was in fair condition at Parkland Hospital Thursday afternoon after undergoing surgery. The extent of his injuries were not available. Covington was injured at 12:25 a.m. Thursday when the 1955 Pontiac he was driving crashed into a parked ditching machine on Shady Grove Rd. near Bowman St, According to John W, Looper, Accident Investigator, Covington's car was traveling west when it passed another car and the left wheels left the road. Covington allegedly lost control of the car, and it swerved off the road on each side before striking the machine, owned by E, L, Dalton Construction Co, of Dallas. Damage to his car was said to be $300, \vhlle the machine received $100 damage. Benny Joe Caster, 214 W. Shady Grove Rd., was Injured when the cycle he was riding and a car driven by Eugene Edward Wariner collided at the E. Shady Grove Rd. -Trinity V'iew Intersection. Caster was treated at Gilbert Medical Clinic and released. According to police reports, Caster was going east ^ on Shady Grove, and a Ford I driven by Wariner was preparing to turn left onto Shad>' Grove Rd. when the accident occurred. After the cycle struck the car, It overturned and skidded to a stop on the north shoulder of Shad>' Grove.
The Irving Daily News Texan » 1962 » September » 28 Sep 1962, Fri » Page 1

He was the usher at the Don Carlile wedding of Joan Davis, The Irving Daily News Texan » 1963 » August » 25 Aug 1963, Sun » Page 19
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/51450989/

And groom in '75
Benny J Caster and Alice F Ray were married on October 18, 1975 in Dallas County, Texas.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:07 pm

Ed Ledoux

Any have their set warmed up?
KE5WMJ
Alice F Caster
Grand Prairie, TX
Technician
Individual
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KE5WMI
Benny J Caster
Grand Prairie, TX
Technician
Individual
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They have their HAM licenses.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:09 pm

Ed Ledoux

This may be as close to what he'd look like in '63, I can grab it if you want.

http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/Irving_High_School_Lair_Yearbook/1957/Page_16.html

Funny he is with a Charles Randle..

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:10 pm

Alan

Is there any evidence that BWF after the assassination came into money you wouldn't expect from his career path? Just wonder how much carrot and how much stick has been used on him.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:12 pm

Alan

Let's say (as seems very likely to me) that LHO and BWF are standing together and apparently communicating with each other at the back step.  Is there any significance to the fact they are in what I assume is a position that only people arriving last out the building would take up due to better spots already having been taken?  Is there anything that would lead them to taking up a bad position or leaving a little late? Location in the building?

What I would say is it's the last position you would take up if you thought you needed to get away.  Its a bad position if you really wanted to keep an eye on the motorcade or events during and after the shooting. However it's also a bad spot if you had some prior knowledge of the plot and consciously wanted to make sure you have an alibi by being seen by as many colleagues as possible. It also isn't a spot you would choose to stand in if you had prior knowledge and knew police would be charging towards the door soon.

It's kind of the spot someone with only a minimal interest in seeing the event would take if their main goal was to have a slight advantage in getting back into the building to have lunch, get to the coke machine before others or whatever. if, as seems very likely, it is LHO then it doesn't speak of a man with prior-knowledge or a peripheral role in the assassination.

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Stan Dane wrote:Alan

Let's say (as seems very likely to me) that LHO and BWF are standing together and apparently communicating with each other at the back step.  Is there any significance to the fact they are in what I assume is a position that only people arriving last out the building would take up due to better spots already having been taken?  Is there anything that would lead them to taking up a bad position or leaving a little late? Location in the building?

What I would say is it's the last position you would take up if you thought you needed to get away.  Its a bad position if you really wanted to keep an eye on the motorcade or events during and after the shooting. However it's also a bad spot if you had some prior knowledge of the plot and consciously wanted to make sure you have an alibi by being seen by as many colleagues as possible. It also isn't a spot you would choose to stand in if you had prior knowledge and knew police would be charging towards the door soon.

It's kind of the spot someone with only a minimal interest in seeing the event would take if their main goal was to have a slight advantage in getting back into the building to have lunch, get to the coke machine before others or whatever. if, as seems very likely, it is LHO then it doesn't speak of a man with prior-knowledge or a peripheral role in the assassination.

Terry Martin
 
Alan,
 
Very good points about the position taken at that time. If it can be proven to be Oswald, all the theories about his involvement will be precisely dick.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:15 pm

Alan

I saw someone on Facebook raise a theory that had occurred to me as well. I tend to think the whole framing LHO was a military originated thing which was aimed at giving the US an excuse to invade Cuba and topple Castro.  However, it was not necessary to actually kill JFK to do that. It just had to look like a Cuban linked person (LHO's legend) had tried. So individually I came up with the same theory as the guy on Facebook that there could have been a 'shoot to miss' plot by military types itching to get at Cuba that as hijacked into a fatal plot. I don't know if this is a reasonable theory or just over complicating things. I tend to think if a 'shoot to miss' JFK thing with fake Cuban connections had taken place it would have been a whole lot less messy but the military would still in all likelihood got their excuse to invade Cuba.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:16 pm

Greg Parker
 
Alan, either Mr. X was tapped to get on board because of his connections to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr. X tapped into his military/intel/Cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.
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I wouldn't entirely discount the "deliberate miss" theory because it can work in just about any scenario. It may also cause the Walker shooting to take on a new perspective as a "practice run".

At the moment though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

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Stan Dane wrote:Greg Parker
 
Alan, either Mr. X was tapped to get on board because of his connections to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr. X tapped into his military/intel/Cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.
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I wouldn't entirely discount the "deliberate miss" theory because it can work in just about any scenario. It may also cause the Walker shooting to take on a new perspective as a "practice run".

At the moment though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

Alan
 
So when you are saying Mr. X you mean there was a single individual driving the whole thing?  One thing that has always baffled me is how messy the whole thing is.  Either the people involved were like the keystone cops or something went badly wrong. So much of the cover-up seems like on the hoof improvising done rather badly. My impression from several essays and books is an awful lot of people know more than they let on. It's an extraordinary mess with far too many people knowing something. Why did so much messy improvisation have to happen? The KGB would probably just have put radioactive material in JFK's suntan lotion :0)  So in your opinion was this just a keystone cops operation which would have been laughable to most intel agencies or did something go badly wrong with the plan which required lots of desperate improvisation?

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:19 pm

Alan

I asked before but got no response, so here goes again - is there any evidence that Buell came into money after the assassination? It has been raised before in situations like this that where someone who appears to be involved in a cover-up seems to come into a lot of money. Was there some carrot or was it all stick that is keeping him silent?

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Stan Dane wrote:Alan

I asked before but got no response, so here goes again - is there any evidence that Buell came into money after the assassination? It has been raised before in situations like this that where someone who appears to be involved in a cover-up seems to come into a lot of money. Was there some carrot or was it all stick that is keeping him silent?

Mick Purdy

Alan,
No large amounts of money coming his way that I'm aware of since the assassination. 

Just looking at his demeanour over the journey and of course I could be way off, but he certainly has the look of someone who has received a bit of stick.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:21 pm

Stan Dane wrote:
Stan Dane wrote:Greg Parker
 
Alan, either Mr. X was tapped to get on board because of his connections to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr. X tapped into his military/intel/Cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.
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I wouldn't entirely discount the "deliberate miss" theory because it can work in just about any scenario. It may also cause the Walker shooting to take on a new perspective as a "practice run".

At the moment though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

Alan
 
So when you are saying Mr. X you mean there was a single individual driving the whole thing?  One thing that has always baffled me is how messy the whole thing is.  Either the people involved were like the keystone cops or something went badly wrong. So much of the cover-up seems like on the hoof improvising done rather badly. My impression from several essays and books is an awful lot of people know more than they let on. It's an extraordinary mess with far too many people knowing something. Why did so much messy improvisation have to happen? The KGB would probably just have put radioactive material in JFK's suntan lotion :0)  So in your opinion was this just a keystone cops operation which would have been laughable to most intel agencies or did something go badly wrong with the plan which required lots of desperate improvisation?

Greg Parker

Alan, I'm saying Mr X was involved - whether he drove the whole thing, or was tapped to get on board, I don't know,

Again, there was no all-powerful individual or group who planned this like unseen puppet-masters. That is a fallacy that has become entrenched. 

Strip this case of the dimensions caused by the name of the murder victim, and it really is not much different than the Avery case.

With Avery, he was framed for personal reasons in the original case, and then framed again because of his pending civil action over the first case. All very human and even mundane n human history and behavior, even as it was devastating for the individuals involved. 

The person I have in mind had the means, motive, opportunity and importantly, the connections. Whether he instigated the plan or was brought on board is the only question.  Truly was the "inside man". His job was simply to set the rabbit running (or appearing to be) and then set the hounds after him. The police would do what the police in Dallas always did.  They got their man, and the Reid Technique took care of making the case against him.

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Stan Dane wrote:Alan

I asked before but got no response, so here goes again - is there any evidence that Buell came into money after the assassination? It has been raised before in situations like this that where someone who appears to be involved in a cover-up seems to come into a lot of money. Was there some carrot or was it all stick that is keeping him silent?

Vinny

http://www.richmond.com/news/special-report/jfk/people/article_a9be7f2e-fb7f-5357-91c9-605df00641f7.html

Although he was never charged, Frazier was still guilty in the eyes of many. For years, he had trouble finding work. His reputation in Dallas was tainted for decades. At 69, he still works.

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Vinny

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/explore/20130401-co-worker-who-drove-oswald-to-school-book-depository-recounts-dallas-darkest-day.ece

Today, Frazier lives in the Dallas area with his wife. He is mostly retired but works part time to supplement his monthly Social Security checks.
 
“Medicare pays less and less by the year,” he said.
 
Frazier still believes he’ll make a lot of money one day — somehow. He says he’s been writing a book about the JFK assassination and his relationship with Oswald.
 
After his speech at the Irving library, he walked into the warm spring night, still waiting for his ship to come in.

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Stan Dane wrote:
Stan Dane wrote:Greg Parker
 
Alan, either Mr. X was tapped to get on board because of his connections to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr. X tapped into his military/intel/Cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.
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At the moment though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

Alan
 
So when you are saying Mr. X you mean there was a single individual driving the whole thing?  One thing that has always baffled me is how messy the whole thing is.  Either the people involved were like the keystone cops or something went badly wrong. So much of the cover-up seems like on the hoof improvising done rather badly. My impression from several essays and books is an awful lot of people know more than they let on. It's an extraordinary mess with far too many people knowing something. Why did so much messy improvisation have to happen? The KGB would probably just have put radioactive material in JFK's suntan lotion :0)  So in your opinion was this just a keystone cops operation which would have been laughable to most intel agencies or did something go badly wrong with the plan which required lots of desperate improvisation?

Mick Purdy

This operation went exactly as planned.  

Task one was to kill JFK.  Job done.

Task two was to blame a patsy.  Job done.

Task one was easy.  Task two relied on some very specific things happening.  First and foremost was to create as much contradiction as possible in the record.  The job was to make it "messy" - as you describe.  The messier the better.  Get the Parkland doctors contradicting the autopsy doctors. Get the witnesses contradicting each other as to how many shots, direction of shots and what they saw happen when the President was hit.  Get Frazier contradicting his sister about the size of the bag.  Get Baker contradicting Truly and get Truly contradicting Baker.   Get as many witnesses as possible to contradict each other concerning the appearance of the Tippit suspect, the clothes he was wearing, the weapon, the ammo, and what direction he was walking. Get Shelley and Lovelady contradicting themselves.  Get Givens contradicting himself.  Get Holmes contradicting Fritz and Bookout.  Get the Warren Commission to contradict the FBI.  Get the Secret Service contradicting the CIA.  Get Shanklin contradicting Hosty and get Hosty contradicting Shanklin.  Get the contradictions in the reports.  Get as many as you can.  Get discrepancies in Oswald's height, his eye colour, his weight, and whether he was left or right handed into the record.  Even get a contradiction into the hands of Lee Oswald in the backyard photographs.  Get contradictions everywhere and then release the report. Wait just over a decade and then convene a new investigation that contradicts the last one.  Create more and more and even more contradictions - - and then lather and layer them onto the previous ones.  

And then, during all of this, you can sit back and watch the amateur researchers fight, argue, dismiss, and polarise each other for the next 53 years to the point that they turn themselves into a laughing stock.  

Job done.

Why bother creating a mess?  Well, Alan Dulles, Warrren Commission member and lifelong spook and professional liar, would probably tell you the reason to do this would be because the overwhelming majority of people cannot be arsed looking into anything themselves and will simply believe what they are told - -  and the small number of people who did look into stuff would spend YEARS unraveling the mess that had been created, and even then you had the media on-side to label them as kooks and oddballs, if they ever found anything important.  

I guess they believed that anyone who decided to investigate this themselves would, in short measure, be tripping over themselves following dead-ends, incomplete leads, complete horseshit and a multitude of red herrings.  

Job done.

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:25 pm

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Suffice it to say, the contradictions I have come across whilst researching this case have well and truly done my head in...

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Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:26 pm

Terry Martin

I think Lee summed it up nicely.
 
The researchers today pretty much ignore the first point and concentrate on the second. It has become more about the "conspiracy" they are looking for rather than the assassination. "Task one was easy." And that's the one that is usually completely overlooked by the researchers who get such an erection thinking about nailing one of the government departments for the crime.
 
Those who spend all their time chasing the "leads" in the cover-up will merely waste their time.
 
Unless, of course, they know it was a coup d'etat.

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?"

Post by Stan Dane on Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:27 pm

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BWF HSCA docs:

http://www.prayer-man.com/rokc-at-nara-2/

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