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Anyone having trouble going through this thread can watch the old original one here at Bart's site:
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Greg, Lee, All, good news.

I submit to you one complete book of Dallas Transit Company Shoppers Transfers!

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As Lee Farley said "The bus transfer is the most curious item involved in this whole affair.
If he wasn’t on the bus then how did he get it? Why did it take the DPD two hours to find it?
How did they find out it was McWatters who punched it?"

 

First the transfers I have are issued for Sunday June 1959

 

Manufactured by the Southwest Globe Ticket Co. Dallas - Would become Globe

 

They are for the same route, Marsalis Bus 1213 would use these.

 

The book starts with transfer 019651 on top and run down to 019700.

 

Fifty tickets in a booklet.

 

Signature is of Vice Pres. would switch to Pres. in '63

 

I can do some tests with the transfers but they are cheap thin paper and would fold
and wrinkle instantly in a pocket and would just end up looking like this:


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Size of these transfers are rather small flimsy thin paper, I had expected a ticket like
an airline ticket.

 

The size is 7 1/2" x 2" for the booklet.

 

A ticket torn like 004459 is 4 1/2" long slightly shorter than the average shirt pocket of
4 3/4 - 5".

 

Ink pen for size comparison:

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Note size of original 004459 next to a PO box key.

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Every Transfer has instructions printed on the back.

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Which state "How to get shoppers free return trip ticket, upon boarding any inbound
transit vehicle between 10:00am and 2:00pm ask the operator for a shoppers transfer;
purchase $1 or more of merchandise in any one of the participating stores below;
pesent your salesslip and this transfer to the transfer desk in THAT STORE,
and receive your FREE RETUR RIDE TRANSIT TICKET, which must be used
before 4:01 or after 7:00pm

 

(see list of stores on picture) Watch your daily newspaper ads for names of
participating stores.

 

 

The back of the book of transfers, note booklets are numbered.

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(Note:inside rear cover is blank) Question is what booklet number was LHO's
transfer from?

 

Was the receipt from the inside back cover of the booklet?

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Here is the real question: Who wants to contact the archives and see if they
have transfer 004451 and the receipt. IF THEY DO then we must get a copy
of both sides of each item. If my theory is correct the receipt was written on
the blank back cover and the back of 004451 has instructions on it. I know
the archives has 004459, I called and had them check, but I did not ask for
a copy of the back! [Rolling Eyes] drats!

Usually with documents and evidence they photograph and copy each side,
just look at other evidence. WHAT is on the back/reverse of 004459?



 

 

 

Upon trying to see if its doable to tear transfers from the bottom of a book....
You would need to flip the book upside down to be able to tear from the bottom
of the book. Then you can not see where you are tearing. I know your saying well
you just peel back the transfer till what you want is showing, ie the 1 and 0,
then you fold and tear it. It just doesn't work, takes both hands, is inconvient
and pointless. You would open the booklet, place a guide(straight edge, finger,
what have you) across the 1 and 0 and tear. Simple and easy. Doing it backwards
is not. Only a small staple holds the booklet together, and each transfer is perforated.

What did the front office think about the backwards method? I guess it really doesn't
matter as to which exact transfer was given when but sure seems easier business
wise if its done in numerical sequence....but I digress.

 

"Concerning the transfer, I will leave you with this. We do know that the DPD
confiscated the book of transfers from Cecil McWatters. Whether it was definitely
the same book that Oswald's transfer was allegedly issued from is anyone’s guess
because the actual book was never photographed. We do know "a" book was taken
because a receipt was given for it. The receipt has the following written on the back
“Receipt for the book of transfers from which transfer was issued to Oswald the
accused assin of Pres, John F. Kennedy.” What is tantalising about this receipt is
what it was written on. What is even more tantalising is the number of the thing
it was written on. Receipt 004451. I’ll leave it up to everyone’s imagination to make
their own sense out of what this could potentially mean
" ~Lee Farley
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17269

 

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The photo copy of 004451 and the receipt, aka Exhibit No 9, look like they were
laid side by side and photocopied at the same time!

If this is the case, and I suspect I am correct, then the receipt is on the rear inside
cover and the reverse would show the booklet number that these transfers came from.
And the reverse of 004451 or 004459 would have the shoppers transfer instructions on
them.

Its a good day tater!


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Ed, you sly dog. Great detective work.



Can we get a volunteer to make the phone call? If this pans out as expected...
it's not just a good day. It's a bloody little ripper. 

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Thanks Greg,

I've looked at it ten ways to sunday and the receipt and 004451 appear to have
mirrored tear outs.
Or near mirrored tear outs.
Need best copy of No 9 from archives at least to make final that they are same
item or two items side by side.
If they are exactly mirrored tear out around the staple area then 'they'
may be one item.
IOW it could very well be the receipt was written on the back of 004451.
it does look as if they match..
So were they torn out exactly the same? I doubt it. But if 004451 was next to
rear cover (the receipt), or on the bottom and they both were torn out they
would look like what we see in exhibit No 9.  see my overlay

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Both overlaid to show match for tear out.
Could it still be two items? Anything is possible in this case.
Match also as said before may mean it is Transfer 004451 reverse side and that means
transfers were NOT printed with instructions on the back of the transfers in 1963.
I find
that hard to believe! It would be like a valet ticket without a disclaimer!!
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Looks like two items could not have been torn from a booklet in a similar fashion:
The rear cover and, the top transfer/first transfer (or a simply a transfer sequentially
numbered 8 transfers before  004459) as there would be 9 transfers worth of stub
between the rear cover and 004451 when they were torn this would interfere with
such a similar tear out shape. Of course 004459 would not be the last transfer in
any booklet 004460 could be, unless the booklet was used backwards.
This holds true even should Globe switched to booklets of ten transfers in '63
(not that I think they did)
This would hold true if Mcwatters only took ten transfers with him from a full booklet
(not that I think this happened or is at all likely).
So did Globe stop printing the instructions on the back of transfers?
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Exhibit No 9 holds much to see!

Where exactly is the original transfer 004451, at the archives .... ?
Oh so we don't get duped we need archivist to have a mirror held so you can get
image of both front and back at same time. That way nothing can impune that evidence.
--
 
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PM is THE litmus test of intellectual integrity for researching this case.
Those who fall back on the fuxxy picture defense are not of a caliber to understand
the ins-and-outs of this case. ~ Terry Martin
 


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We need front/rear image of each item, especially of "Oswald's transfer" 004459,
we do need to see the reverse side!!!
Most important as this will show if printed instructions exists on backs of 1963
transfers and answer questions raised.
004451 we need to see both sides in a mirror.
Receipt, same as above.

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Although the transfer supposedly found on LHO was small 4 1/2 x 2" of thin paper
it seems unlikely to be missed in a search of the shirt / pocket.
Possible, if the search of the shirt was conducted by Mr Magoo wearing winter mittens...

More likely is LHO was never on a bus, never had a transfer, never needed a transfer,
but one was supplied for him.



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Sitting here nodding all the way through I as I read it.



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Thanks Greg!
Interesting we have never seen the back of the 'transfer' 004459.
I'm so damn interested to see what is on the reverse! Does anyone know if its
been seen? EVER? No one ever has asked for the back? It must be in an image
database somewhere
Most all archived documents are copied front and rear, even when there is nothing
on the reverse.
They should have this ready to go for us. Hehehe
Again I want to see it in a mirror, so we don't get fooled again, to quote a
great rock song.


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bump (we need a volunteer to phone the achives)

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http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_381.pdf

The Back of 381a or a photocopy of 004459




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Ed Ledoux
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Sans reverse instructions on 004459, one can safely say 004451 is "the receipt"
and Globe did stop printing Shopper Transfers instructions on the reverse side.

Next is testing. I can complete a detailed experiment where I will match LHO's
movements and actions alledged and see how well a shirt pocket protects a
flimsy transfer from crinkles, wrinkles, folds, creases and dog ears.


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Ed Ledoux at January 31, 2015 at 6:36 PM


















Sans reverse instructions on 004459, one can safely say 004451 is "the receipt"
and Globe did stop printing Shopper Transfers instructions on the reverse side.

Next is testing. I can complete a detailed experiment where I will match LHO's
movements and actions alledged and see how well a shirt pocket protects
a flimsy transfer from crinkles, wrinkles, folds, creases and dog ears.

Ed, 



they may have stopped printing on the back cos most using it would be elderly
and I'd assume an occasional complaint would be made about the print being
too small to read. My guess is that between 1959 and '63 they posted the
instructions inside the bus in largish print.



There are a couple of issues for... first obviously arises if 51 and 59 came
from same book...



The other issue seems to be that all transfer tickers were printed as
"shopper's transfer" but could only be used as a shoppers transfer with
McWatters punch mark. Without the punch-mark, it was just your ordinary
run-of-the-mill transfer -  but with it, it is now a SHOPPER'S TRANSFER.



Was going to copy and paste McWatters' testimony on this, but it is truly excruciating.
But the sense I get is that  Mcwatters himself all but rules ticket 59 out as being given
to Oswald - because as above - the punch mark transforms it into a shopper's transfer.
McWatters' does say you have to specifically ask for a shoppers transfer
(presumably otherwise you just get it without the punch hole).  Once it has that
punch hole, it is useless unless you go spend a buck. Oswald just wanted to get home
- not go shopping. And McWatters actually tells them it is in the majority of cases
only old ladies who ask for them.



McWatters had absolutely no reason to punch that ticket. If Oswald was on that bus,
all he needed was the ticket. With that punch hole - he COULD NOT JUST
GO AND HOP ANOTHER BUS.



At least, that is what I get from it. The punch hole 



Screw it.



I'll post the testimony afterall.. see what you guys can make of it...Smile 




Mr. McWATTERS - I really don't know because I didn't, see, I didn't know
anything--I didn't put out any--most of the transfers that you put out at this
time or that time of day are for elderly women which get the shopper's transfers,
in other words.
It has got a line there, and it entitles them to a free ride back
to where they came from in other words, and that time of the morning, because
when I get downtown, in other words, you can catch a bus at Elm Street going
to any place that I would go without having a transfer, in other words.
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Mr. BALL - Mr. McWatters, on this transfer is the name of Shopper's Transfer.
Does that have any significance?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; that is what I was telling him. In other words, if
they want a Shoppers; well I put my punch mark in that Shoppers there, which
they cannot use it for a transfer, in other words, any more than other than--all
the stores, most of them in downtown Dallas, if you buy as much as a dollar's
worth between the period of ten and four in the afternoon they give you a little
white slip which entitled you to ride what is called the Shopper's Pass. It rides
you back, but in other words you have to, a passenger has to, ask for it in
other words.

When they say a Shopper, you take a punch and punch your punch mark where
it says Shoppers, but they are not supposed to use the transfer then to transfer
to another bus.
They are supposed, in other words, where it is punched in the
store, get it exchanged for their return fare.
Mr. BALL - In other words, all your transfers have on them printed the word
"Shopper's Transfer"?

Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir; they do.
Mr. BALL - And in order to make it a Shopper's Transfer so that the transfer
can be exchanged for a merchandise coupon to ride home, it has to have your
punch in the Shopper's Transfer area, is that right?

Mr. McWATTERS - That is correct, yes, sir.

If I am right, that punch hole has just proved Oswald was not on the bus.

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Another marvelous example of using the WC itself to destroy the opinions of the WC.



It always has been its own worst critic.

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Terry Martin at January 31, 2015 at 9:43 PM


















Another marvelous example of using the WC itself to destroy the opinions
of the WC.

It always has been its own worst critic.

Terry, I can't believe I never saw it before, but sometimes it takes a thread
as excellent as this to make you focus.



Here is the killer blow from McWatters again and given the Fez treatment,
for no other reason than I'm feeling a bit fezzy,
but I'll get over it - if they want a Shoppers;
well I put my punch mark in that Shoppers there,
which
they cannot use it for a transfer
, in other words, any
more than other than--all the stores






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Thu 14 Feb 2019, 6:42 pm
Transfer has been impugned
No transfer equals no hurry to get to transfer point... Then again Lee is sooooo frugal he wouldn't want to waste 23 cents. Hahaha yeah right

I recall Lee Farley earlier in the thread said if the 1026 N Beckley nut was cracked we could all go home.
Well I did six ways to Sunday.
H.Lee in room O
OH Lee one Herbert Leon Lee.
Mr Lee was the focus, he fit the bill to a tee.
We have the nut, Herbert Lee, whom became a cop after giving false statements to investigators about his stay at The Beckley Rooming House.... yeah that always happens.

The nut was cracked yet we still persist.

Recall my talks with the current owner of 1026 North Beckley Rooming House and her misgivings about letting me into the basement (where the records are kept) and the garage house, aka rear apartments.
We know she can't let it known Oswald never stayed at the Inn... it would be bad for business.
Her claims that Mrs Johnson destroyed the records .... a complete and utter lie. And then the topper a bogus Bus and Cab ride to get Lee to a place he never lived. They are impugning of themselves.
No bus, no cab, then how did Lee get to a place he didn't live, by car, with an accomplice. That duty was reserved for Buell. But Buell wasn't available so they reverse pickpocket Lee and say he has a Dallas Transit Transfer on him.
Happens to be from an driver whom will be pullling his Piedmont line bus #50 up at the corner of Commerce by the police headquarters, but mysteriously never is asked or offers the BOOKLET with all the other 48 pre-punched transfers, of which 004459 was taken from. But by who, Cecil only gives out 004452 and 004453.
Maybe Herbert got a bus pass that day, he could be in work clothes (floor layer) and could take the Marsalis bus and transfer to Beckley bus downtown.
Wonder what Herbert did with the Johnson's linens after getting his stuff scooped up by his police pals.
Mrs Johnson was so mad about that seems she would of asked Lee for them back but she didn't know him only Herbert and he wasn't sticking around to remind the others whom he was... (not Lee)
I know from Hugh Aynesworth that Herbert smoked, had a bail bondsman ashtray, and ate bananas.

We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.

Two things are clear,
Cecil Joffrey McWatters did not pick up Lee Oswald at the end of Elm around Houston Street
AND
Marion Lewis Baker stopped someone other than Lee Oswald on the third or fourth floor of the TSBD.

Thanks to Bart and Greg, Lee, and everyone involved for shining the lights so I can see.

I see also from Hugh Aynesworth that John Mckee was a deserter and really a thief named Kell Zullinger
I also know he was the crime commissioner in '63 and pals with everyone in Law Enforcement and benevolent associations, and buddy buddy with Lyndon Johnson.
He was busted for his thievery and corruption in 1972... hmm same year as another 'top cop' former 1963 attorney general of Texas, Waggoner Carr, whom was indicted for a stock scheme, like Zullinger/Mckee was in '72.
History has proven over and over that the authorities were crooked or worse in Texas. Especially in 1963.

The more you know about Dallas the less you'd want to live there.

Why with the mounds of evidence and mountains of circumstantial evidence can anyone or any institution still support the Officials Stories (plural)

We are correct at every juncture yet the band played on.

We need to print a couple thousand dallas transit transfers and put "Wanted; Nov 22 1963 Dallas Transit transfer booklet, we pay top dollar, as we couldnt get one from the Warren Commission"

Spread them around, send them to the Chief of Police, District Attorneys Office, State Officials and Texas Legislators.

Im more than game,
Cheers, Ed
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Fri 15 Feb 2019, 12:32 pm
Ed wrote:




We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.




May your news be good news and good night!


Good-bye Farewell and Amen!


And that's the way it was.


Exceptional thread Ed, said it from day 1. This is the killer, the bomb. 

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Fri 15 Feb 2019, 1:21 pm
Mick Purdy wrote:Ed wrote:




We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.




May your news be good news and good night!


Good-bye Farewell and Amen!


And that's the way it was.


Exceptional thread Ed, said it from day 1. This is the killer, the bomb. 
All my favorite researchers are current or past members here. 

Rooming house done and dusted
bus and cab ride done and dusted
William Lowery done and dusted
Herbert "Leon" Lee done and dusted
2nd floor encounter done and dusted
Oswald alibi done and dusted
Backyard photos done and dusted

Everyone else can keep speculating about plotters and shooters. 

We have the evidence to acquit the accused. The rest is up to the justice system to investigate, no one else - but under our watchful eyes this time around.

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Fri 15 Feb 2019, 3:32 pm
Damn straight Greg.
To wave off the cumulative impact of these is akin to Will Fritz waving away ghosts.
It'd be unprofessional
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slowly slowly catchy......

Are we witnessing the re-writing of history unfolding here or what?

Damn straight we are!

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Sun 17 Feb 2019, 5:27 am
greg parker wrote:All my favorite researchers are current or past members here. 

Rooming house done and dusted
bus and cab ride done and dusted
William Lowery done and dusted
Herbert "Leon" Lee done and dusted
2nd floor encounter done and dusted
Oswald alibi done and dusted
Backyard photos done and dusted

Everyone else can keep speculating about plotters and shooters. 

We have the evidence to acquit the accused. The rest is up to the justice system to investigate, no one else - but under our watchful eyes this time around.

Ain't that the truth.

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Sun 17 Feb 2019, 6:52 am
Stan Dane wrote:
greg parker wrote:All my favorite researchers are current or past members here. 

Rooming house done and dusted
bus and cab ride done and dusted
William Lowery done and dusted
Herbert "Leon" Lee done and dusted
2nd floor encounter done and dusted
Oswald alibi done and dusted
Backyard photos done and dusted

Everyone else can keep speculating about plotters and shooters. 

We have the evidence to acquit the accused. The rest is up to the justice system to investigate, no one else - but under our watchful eyes this time around.

Ain't that the truth.

One of the qualities that has helped me compensate for my many flaws over the years is my knack for recognizing and associating with good people. I saw it right away when I discovered this place six years ago. All of us here possess this quality. It's who we are and it separates us from the rest of the pack.

We're solid as a ROKC.
Thanks to Ed we can also add
No shots fired from the TSBD.

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Sun 17 Feb 2019, 7:13 pm
We're ROKC solid.

"Thanks to Ed we can also add
No shots fired from the TSBD"

I'm good with that.
Much obliged Steely.
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Age Height and weight of Ivan D Lee at the time he made these timed walks?

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Joe Backes in 1998 on the bus

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By Joseph Backes

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I enjoyed a good laugh watching Tracking Oswald.
Not only did they have Pat Hall claiming to have listened to "Mr Lee" talk on the phone in Spanish and Russian! I chuckled.
They also had Lee walking miles to catch a bus with "his bus transfer" .... yes standing alone waiting for a bus is so inconspicuous... they must think Lee spending ANOTHER 23 cents for transportation is ridiculous.................. really?
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I believe Whaley was outside his cab.
Leaning on it or standing near it smoking his last cigarette.

The initial interaction with the Boy was outside the cab, as Whaley was about to go inside and get cigarettes.
And he sees the Boy walking.
Seen where the Boy walked from. To. Etc.
None of it is with Whaley sitting facing the cab stand on Lamar.
Nope he is out of his cab as the statement implied.

Also the initial statement does say Bracelet.
Does not say that it had a name on it... you'd think that'd be important to nail down just anyone with a bracelet to a rider with a LEE engraved one...
That didn't happen.
Thank you again Bart for posting.
I go back and recheck things and as a consequence find even more exculpatory holes.

Cheers!

BTW
here are screen shots of the "CAB DRIVER AND BUS DRIVER" ..as per CBS
unfortunately this is Scoggins and Whaley.
Two cab drivers... (as seen in Du Kennedy film) Yes?

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Wed 09 Jun 2021, 7:49 am
Odd thing the transfers run 01-50 AND 50-00???

Well my booklet like the one used on 11/22 is of course a 01 through 50.
I never saw a booklet start at 50 and run backwards down to zero as that is 51 tickets.

The fact Yates has no infomation is due to the FBI waiting till MARCH 10th OF 1964 to 'collect' it????...
I thought the reports were clear on what had been collected by DPD on 11/22-24 and what would need to be collected to fill in the gaps in evidence.

That did not happen. Thusly no other information on booklets Cecil took for his run/s.
Why am I not surprised
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Not a peep about a Beckley Bus.

And what is all this rushing and hurrying for....

To save 23 cents?

Of course he couldn't pay for a movie either 
...with a pocket full of money. 
That bus ticket is incriminated, not Lee.
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