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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Thu 14 Feb 2019, 6:42 pm
Transfer has been impugned
No transfer equals no hurry to get to transfer point... Then again Lee is sooooo frugal he wouldn't want to waste 23 cents. Hahaha yeah right
I recall Lee Farley earlier in the thread said if the 1026 N Beckley nut was cracked we could all go home.
Well I did six ways to Sunday.
H.Lee in room O
OH Lee one Herbert Leon Lee.
Mr Lee was the focus, he fit the bill to a tee.
We have the nut, Herbert Lee, whom became a cop after giving false statements to investigators about his stay at The Beckley Rooming House.... yeah that always happens.
The nut was cracked yet we still persist.
Recall my talks with the current owner of 1026 North Beckley Rooming House and her misgivings about letting me into the basement (where the records are kept) and the garage house, aka rear apartments.
We know she can't let it known Oswald never stayed at the Inn... it would be bad for business.
Her claims that Mrs Johnson destroyed the records .... a complete and utter lie. And then the topper a bogus Bus and Cab ride to get Lee to a place he never lived. They are impugning of themselves.
No bus, no cab, then how did Lee get to a place he didn't live, by car, with an accomplice. That duty was reserved for Buell. But Buell wasn't available so they reverse pickpocket Lee and say he has a Dallas Transit Transfer on him.
Happens to be from an driver whom will be pullling his Piedmont line bus #50 up at the corner of Commerce by the police headquarters, but mysteriously never is asked or offers the BOOKLET with all the other 48 pre-punched transfers, of which 004459 was taken from. But by who, Cecil only gives out 004452 and 004453.
Maybe Herbert got a bus pass that day, he could be in work clothes (floor layer) and could take the Marsalis bus and transfer to Beckley bus downtown.
Wonder what Herbert did with the Johnson's linens after getting his stuff scooped up by his police pals.
Mrs Johnson was so mad about that seems she would of asked Lee for them back but she didn't know him only Herbert and he wasn't sticking around to remind the others whom he was... (not Lee)
I know from Hugh Aynesworth that Herbert smoked, had a bail bondsman ashtray, and ate bananas.
We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.
Two things are clear,
Cecil Joffrey McWatters did not pick up Lee Oswald at the end of Elm around Houston Street
AND
Marion Lewis Baker stopped someone other than Lee Oswald on the third or fourth floor of the TSBD.
Thanks to Bart and Greg, Lee, and everyone involved for shining the lights so I can see.
I see also from Hugh Aynesworth that John Mckee was a deserter and really a thief named Kell Zullinger
I also know he was the crime commissioner in '63 and pals with everyone in Law Enforcement and benevolent associations, and buddy buddy with Lyndon Johnson.
He was busted for his thievery and corruption in 1972... hmm same year as another 'top cop' former 1963 attorney general of Texas, Waggoner Carr, whom was indicted for a stock scheme, like Zullinger/Mckee was in '72.
History has proven over and over that the authorities were crooked or worse in Texas. Especially in 1963.
The more you know about Dallas the less you'd want to live there.
Why with the mounds of evidence and mountains of circumstantial evidence can anyone or any institution still support the Officials Stories (plural)
We are correct at every juncture yet the band played on.
We need to print a couple thousand dallas transit transfers and put "Wanted; Nov 22 1963 Dallas Transit transfer booklet, we pay top dollar, as we couldnt get one from the Warren Commission"
Spread them around, send them to the Chief of Police, District Attorneys Office, State Officials and Texas Legislators.
Im more than game,
Cheers, Ed
No transfer equals no hurry to get to transfer point... Then again Lee is sooooo frugal he wouldn't want to waste 23 cents. Hahaha yeah right
I recall Lee Farley earlier in the thread said if the 1026 N Beckley nut was cracked we could all go home.
Well I did six ways to Sunday.
H.Lee in room O
OH Lee one Herbert Leon Lee.
Mr Lee was the focus, he fit the bill to a tee.
We have the nut, Herbert Lee, whom became a cop after giving false statements to investigators about his stay at The Beckley Rooming House.... yeah that always happens.
The nut was cracked yet we still persist.
Recall my talks with the current owner of 1026 North Beckley Rooming House and her misgivings about letting me into the basement (where the records are kept) and the garage house, aka rear apartments.
We know she can't let it known Oswald never stayed at the Inn... it would be bad for business.
Her claims that Mrs Johnson destroyed the records .... a complete and utter lie. And then the topper a bogus Bus and Cab ride to get Lee to a place he never lived. They are impugning of themselves.
No bus, no cab, then how did Lee get to a place he didn't live, by car, with an accomplice. That duty was reserved for Buell. But Buell wasn't available so they reverse pickpocket Lee and say he has a Dallas Transit Transfer on him.
Happens to be from an driver whom will be pullling his Piedmont line bus #50 up at the corner of Commerce by the police headquarters, but mysteriously never is asked or offers the BOOKLET with all the other 48 pre-punched transfers, of which 004459 was taken from. But by who, Cecil only gives out 004452 and 004453.
Maybe Herbert got a bus pass that day, he could be in work clothes (floor layer) and could take the Marsalis bus and transfer to Beckley bus downtown.
Wonder what Herbert did with the Johnson's linens after getting his stuff scooped up by his police pals.
Mrs Johnson was so mad about that seems she would of asked Lee for them back but she didn't know him only Herbert and he wasn't sticking around to remind the others whom he was... (not Lee)
I know from Hugh Aynesworth that Herbert smoked, had a bail bondsman ashtray, and ate bananas.
We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.
Two things are clear,
Cecil Joffrey McWatters did not pick up Lee Oswald at the end of Elm around Houston Street
AND
Marion Lewis Baker stopped someone other than Lee Oswald on the third or fourth floor of the TSBD.
Thanks to Bart and Greg, Lee, and everyone involved for shining the lights so I can see.
I see also from Hugh Aynesworth that John Mckee was a deserter and really a thief named Kell Zullinger
I also know he was the crime commissioner in '63 and pals with everyone in Law Enforcement and benevolent associations, and buddy buddy with Lyndon Johnson.
He was busted for his thievery and corruption in 1972... hmm same year as another 'top cop' former 1963 attorney general of Texas, Waggoner Carr, whom was indicted for a stock scheme, like Zullinger/Mckee was in '72.
History has proven over and over that the authorities were crooked or worse in Texas. Especially in 1963.
The more you know about Dallas the less you'd want to live there.
Why with the mounds of evidence and mountains of circumstantial evidence can anyone or any institution still support the Officials Stories (plural)
We are correct at every juncture yet the band played on.
We need to print a couple thousand dallas transit transfers and put "Wanted; Nov 22 1963 Dallas Transit transfer booklet, we pay top dollar, as we couldnt get one from the Warren Commission"
Spread them around, send them to the Chief of Police, District Attorneys Office, State Officials and Texas Legislators.
Im more than game,
Cheers, Ed
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Fri 15 Feb 2019, 12:32 pm
Ed wrote:
We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.
May your news be good news and good night!
Good-bye Farewell and Amen!
And that's the way it was.
Exceptional thread Ed, said it from day 1. This is the killer, the bomb.
We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.
May your news be good news and good night!
Good-bye Farewell and Amen!
And that's the way it was.
Exceptional thread Ed, said it from day 1. This is the killer, the bomb.
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Fri 15 Feb 2019, 1:21 pm
All my favorite researchers are current or past members here.Mick Purdy wrote:Ed wrote:
We need to remove Oswald from the stories we are told, and instead insert the real characters like Herbert "Leon" Lee in the rooming house, or Roy Milton Jones on the Marsalis Bus, or a gunsmith at a shooting range, etc etc etc .... what works best, Lee being impersonated or other people doing things and Lee being pegged as that person.
May your news be good news and good night!
Good-bye Farewell and Amen!
And that's the way it was.
Exceptional thread Ed, said it from day 1. This is the killer, the bomb.
Rooming house done and dusted
bus and cab ride done and dusted
William Lowery done and dusted
Herbert "Leon" Lee done and dusted
2nd floor encounter done and dusted
Oswald alibi done and dusted
Backyard photos done and dusted
Everyone else can keep speculating about plotters and shooters.
We have the evidence to acquit the accused. The rest is up to the justice system to investigate, no one else - but under our watchful eyes this time around.
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Fri 15 Feb 2019, 3:32 pm
Damn straight Greg.
To wave off the cumulative impact of these is akin to Will Fritz waving away ghosts.
It'd be unprofessional
To wave off the cumulative impact of these is akin to Will Fritz waving away ghosts.
It'd be unprofessional
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Fri 15 Feb 2019, 3:45 pm
slowly slowly catchy......
Are we witnessing the re-writing of history unfolding here or what?
Damn straight we are!
Are we witnessing the re-writing of history unfolding here or what?
Damn straight we are!
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Sat 16 Feb 2019, 9:40 pm
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Sun 17 Feb 2019, 5:27 am
greg parker wrote:All my favorite researchers are current or past members here.
Rooming house done and dusted
bus and cab ride done and dusted
William Lowery done and dusted
Herbert "Leon" Lee done and dusted
2nd floor encounter done and dusted
Oswald alibi done and dusted
Backyard photos done and dusted
Everyone else can keep speculating about plotters and shooters.
We have the evidence to acquit the accused. The rest is up to the justice system to investigate, no one else - but under our watchful eyes this time around.
Ain't that the truth.
One of the qualities that has helped me compensate for my many flaws over the years is my knack for recognizing and associating with good people. I saw it right away when I discovered this place six years ago. All of us here possess this quality. It's who we are and it separates us from the rest of the pack.
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Sun 17 Feb 2019, 6:52 am
Thanks to Ed we can also addStan Dane wrote:greg parker wrote:All my favorite researchers are current or past members here.
Rooming house done and dusted
bus and cab ride done and dusted
William Lowery done and dusted
Herbert "Leon" Lee done and dusted
2nd floor encounter done and dusted
Oswald alibi done and dusted
Backyard photos done and dusted
Everyone else can keep speculating about plotters and shooters.
We have the evidence to acquit the accused. The rest is up to the justice system to investigate, no one else - but under our watchful eyes this time around.
Ain't that the truth.
One of the qualities that has helped me compensate for my many flaws over the years is my knack for recognizing and associating with good people. I saw it right away when I discovered this place six years ago. All of us here possess this quality. It's who we are and it separates us from the rest of the pack.
We're solid as a ROKC.
No shots fired from the TSBD.
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Sun 17 Feb 2019, 7:13 pm
We're ROKC solid.
"Thanks to Ed we can also add
No shots fired from the TSBD"
I'm good with that.
Much obliged Steely.
Ed
"Thanks to Ed we can also add
No shots fired from the TSBD"
I'm good with that.
Much obliged Steely.
Ed
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Mon 08 Apr 2019, 12:38 am
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Mon 15 Apr 2019, 6:06 pm
Age Height and weight of Ivan D Lee at the time he made these timed walks?
https://www.wral.com/news/local/video/13145437/
Cheers
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https://www.wral.com/news/local/video/13145437/
Cheers
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Joe Backes in 1998 on the bus
http://web.archive.org/web/20121208032234/http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/24th_Issue/mcwatters.html
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
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By Joseph Backes
http://www.justiceforkennedy.com/2012/01/lifton-education-forum-mary-bledsoe.html
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Sun 02 May 2021, 4:44 am
I enjoyed a good laugh watching Tracking Oswald.
Not only did they have Pat Hall claiming to have listened to "Mr Lee" talk on the phone in Spanish and Russian! I chuckled.
They also had Lee walking miles to catch a bus with "his bus transfer" .... yes standing alone waiting for a bus is so inconspicuous... they must think Lee spending ANOTHER 23 cents for transportation is ridiculous.................. really?
Cheers, Ed
Not only did they have Pat Hall claiming to have listened to "Mr Lee" talk on the phone in Spanish and Russian! I chuckled.
They also had Lee walking miles to catch a bus with "his bus transfer" .... yes standing alone waiting for a bus is so inconspicuous... they must think Lee spending ANOTHER 23 cents for transportation is ridiculous.................. really?
Cheers, Ed
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Sat 05 Jun 2021, 1:44 pm
I believe Whaley was outside his cab.
Leaning on it or standing near it smoking his last cigarette.
The initial interaction with the Boy was outside the cab, as Whaley was about to go inside and get cigarettes.
And he sees the Boy walking.
Seen where the Boy walked from. To. Etc.
None of it is with Whaley sitting facing the cab stand on Lamar.
Nope he is out of his cab as the statement implied.
Also the initial statement does say Bracelet.
Does not say that it had a name on it... you'd think that'd be important to nail down just anyone with a bracelet to a rider with a LEE engraved one...
That didn't happen.
Thank you again Bart for posting.
I go back and recheck things and as a consequence find even more exculpatory holes.
Cheers!
BTW
here are screen shots of the "CAB DRIVER AND BUS DRIVER" ..as per CBS
unfortunately this is Scoggins and Whaley.
Two cab drivers... (as seen in Du Kennedy film) Yes?
Leaning on it or standing near it smoking his last cigarette.
The initial interaction with the Boy was outside the cab, as Whaley was about to go inside and get cigarettes.
And he sees the Boy walking.
Seen where the Boy walked from. To. Etc.
None of it is with Whaley sitting facing the cab stand on Lamar.
Nope he is out of his cab as the statement implied.
Also the initial statement does say Bracelet.
Does not say that it had a name on it... you'd think that'd be important to nail down just anyone with a bracelet to a rider with a LEE engraved one...
That didn't happen.
Thank you again Bart for posting.
I go back and recheck things and as a consequence find even more exculpatory holes.
Cheers!
BTW
here are screen shots of the "CAB DRIVER AND BUS DRIVER" ..as per CBS
unfortunately this is Scoggins and Whaley.
Two cab drivers... (as seen in Du Kennedy film) Yes?
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Tue 08 Jun 2021, 9:51 pm
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Wed 09 Jun 2021, 7:49 am
Odd thing the transfers run 01-50 AND 50-00???
Well my booklet like the one used on 11/22 is of course a 01 through 50.
I never saw a booklet start at 50 and run backwards down to zero as that is 51 tickets.
The fact Yates has no infomation is due to the FBI waiting till MARCH 10th OF 1964 to 'collect' it????...
I thought the reports were clear on what had been collected by DPD on 11/22-24 and what would need to be collected to fill in the gaps in evidence.
That did not happen. Thusly no other information on booklets Cecil took for his run/s.
Why am I not surprised
Thanks Bart!
Well my booklet like the one used on 11/22 is of course a 01 through 50.
I never saw a booklet start at 50 and run backwards down to zero as that is 51 tickets.
The fact Yates has no infomation is due to the FBI waiting till MARCH 10th OF 1964 to 'collect' it????...
I thought the reports were clear on what had been collected by DPD on 11/22-24 and what would need to be collected to fill in the gaps in evidence.
That did not happen. Thusly no other information on booklets Cecil took for his run/s.
Why am I not surprised
Thanks Bart!
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Sat 12 Jun 2021, 12:50 am
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Re: Dallas Transit Transfer
Sat 12 Jun 2021, 6:47 pm
Not a peep about a Beckley Bus.
And what is all this rushing and hurrying for....
To save 23 cents?
Of course he couldn't pay for a movie either
...with a pocket full of money.
That bus ticket is incriminated, not Lee.
And what is all this rushing and hurrying for....
To save 23 cents?
Of course he couldn't pay for a movie either
...with a pocket full of money.
That bus ticket is incriminated, not Lee.
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