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Was truly the source of the police description?

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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by barto on Wed 14 Sep 2016, 3:07 pm

Truly to my mind was not an informant, but a filthy collaborator.
If he was then the document like the one below would not be around.
It could be a smoke screen, but I would need to see evidence that he was an informant.




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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by barto on Sat 17 Sep 2016, 5:34 pm

This is just beautiful! Roy Truly being interviewed by Roy Bode for the Odessa American in April 1964. Found by Steve Roe and posted by Denis Morissette on FB.

Brennan had a chat with Baker and Truly.....as supposedly running up those stairs like hell....where Truly could not remember where they hooked up or where Baker said they nearly bumped into each other in the vestibule.....

Then the matter of being misquoted, purely to deflect any future phone calls to the TSBD about him being a lone nut friend or commie sympathiser.

Marguerite Oswald walks in the TSBD with Altgens6 and gets shown the door by RT? WOW! Would have loved to have seen that!

  

Truly lied to the WC like there was no tomorrow.


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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by Jake Sykes on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 2:06 am

Truly & Baker so bogus. If Brennan told them "a gunman" then Truly running ahead of Baker on stairs all the more insane. 


In reviewing Barto's Second Floor Anatomy lesson, some things become clear from the WC testimony: Truly thought Baker 'wanted to the roof', so he "escorted" him (security lingo for custodial care as in 'Security, escort this man to the door'). Truly was slooowwwing Baker down, and Baker's emotions were betraying his knowledge of that fact, which Belin had to work hard to neuter. It pissed Baker off that Truly held him back at the swinging door, only ran at a trot across the shipping room, farted around with calling up the elevator shaft. It was Baker who said let's take the stairs. When Baker said that Belin took it off record and then came back on to make it look like Baker was peering up the shaft and counting the cars with Truly. Baker did not like the script he was being given and although he went through the motions, they had to put a ring in his nose to make him do it.

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Post by barto on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 2:16 am

There is now a downloadable PDF of the second floor lunch room clusterfuck essay, put together by Bernard Wilds of DPUK available at the link below:

http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Anatomy%20of%20the%20second%20floor%20lunch%20room%20encounter.pdf

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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by Jake Sykes on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 5:05 am


  • Curious that if they had a tip from Brennan that their was action on the 4th floor, Truly didn't take Baker to 4th on the front elevator. Maybe there was action up there and that is why Truly took him as far as possible, as slowly as possible, away from that sector of the building.

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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by Faroe Islander on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 8:54 am

great find, everything we have been talking about til now has been a big li except this thread  Very Happy

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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by greg parker on Sun 18 Sep 2016, 9:12 am

Jake Sykes wrote:

  • Curious that if they had a tip from Brennan that their was action on the 4th floor, Truly didn't take Baker to 4th on the front elevator. Maybe there was action up there and that is why Truly took him as far as possible, as slowly as possible, away from that sector of the building.

That makes sense to me. Truly's alleged assumption that Baker wanted to get to the top of the building was based on what? 

Here is a first day FBI memo stating 4th floor with a Winchester.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62251&relPageId=65&search=%22colored_man%22

According to Anna Marie Kuhns-Walko, there were actually early reports of not one but TWO African-American snipers on the fourth floor - one facing Elm and the other facing the GK.

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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by Faroe Islander on Mon 19 Sep 2016, 5:08 am

Peggy Joyce Hawkins testimony just got validated by Truly, they stood outside for a while or did they not ?
Also i´m curious about what Hoover told LBJ, that they met LHO as they entered the building, probably true also.
Otis Williams seeing LHO as he went inside the TSBD, and then Barrett saying that he made a big mistake when he let LHO go.
I have never tought that there was any conspiracy, I once wrote about a scandinavian man accused of being a paedofile, normal people were lying about what he had done, then it turned out that he was not guilty in the accusations that were made against him, I belive it was the same thing that happened here, they caught LHO, the people back then had no chance of knowing if he was the shooter or not, he COULD have been, so they just went along and nobody wanted to say that they did see him around 12:30 .
I believe that LHO was autistic or most probably did have Asbergers and was telling Capt. Fritz that he was on the stairs in the first interrogation and they panicked as the papers also did have Altgens 6 in the papers that evening, FBI was very relived when they were at Loveladys home and he told them that it was him in Altgens 6, I also thik that LHO being autistic was the reason he did not say anything when he was talking to the press, he is almost only answering questions and is not telling people where exactly he was.
If Barrett is still alive we need to ask him if he did let LHO out as the first person , then we need to ask BWF who the person beside him is.
Also a couple of years ago, there was this 6. grader that made a schoolpaper about the assasination, she got a home movie of the reenactment and also there was this witness that said she was running inside the TSBD right after the shooting and she did see LHO, I have tryed to get too see this papers, to see if the journalist did write something wrong when she wrote about this schoolpaper, but I  have not had any luck, have tryed to send a message to the journalist that wrote the article about this 6. th grader but did ot get an answer.

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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by Hasan Yusuf on Mon 19 Sep 2016, 2:43 pm

Yes, F. I. Oswald most likely had Asperger's syndrome. It would explain a lot of his behaviour.

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Re: Was truly the source of the police description?

Post by barto on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 1:00 am

According to the book Partners in Blue by Carlton Stowers, Jack Revill radioed the description of the suspect with Brennan as his source from his car.

Meanwhile Roy Truly in the DMN Dec 24 1963


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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Thu 22 Sep 2016, 2:25 am

Sounds to me like Truly is saying that he and Baker encountered Oswald on the first floor. Go figure...

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Post by Faroe Islander on Fri 23 Sep 2016, 8:25 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Sounds to me like Truly is saying that he and Baker encountered Oswald on the first floor. Go figure...


sure sounds that way here, read at the bottom : http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/13/1376-002.gif

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Post by Faroe Islander on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 10:28 pm

Amos Euins says that he talked to a Motorcycle officer right after the shooting, were there any other motorcycle officers around TSBD right after the shooting ?
I think that maybe it was Euins that gave the description, that is the reason they could not "remember" who it was that gave the description, a young negro boy Dallas 63 hmm.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Tue 04 Oct 2016, 10:43 pm

Faroe Islander wrote:Amos Euins says that he talked to a Motorcycle officer right after the shooting, were there any other motorcycle officers around TSBD right after the shooting ?
I think that maybe it was Euins that gave the description, that is the reason they could not "remember" who it was that gave the description, a young negro boy Dallas 63 hmm.

IIRC, the motorcycle cop he (allegedly) spoke to was Sgt. David Harkness.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 9:04 am

Faroe Islander wrote:Amos Euins says that he talked to a Motorcycle officer right after the shooting, were there any other motorcycle officers around TSBD right after the shooting ?
I think that maybe it was Euins that gave the description, that is the reason they could not "remember" who it was that gave the description, a young negro boy Dallas 63 hmm.
twice in that report, Fritz substituted the second floor for the first.

1. He asked Oswald what floor he usually worked on and he has Oswald answering "usually on the 2nd". The fact is that Oswald usually worked on the first floor. Why would he lie to Fritz about that? The answer is, he wouldn't. But Fritz would.  Fritz had reason to,


2. The reason for lie number one was to set up lie number two. "I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coke." Bullshit! Oswald was on the first floor - WHERE HE USUALLY WORKED - AND ATE drinking the coke when "the officer" - not necessarily Baker - came in.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Wed 05 Oct 2016, 11:41 am

The description is often accredited to Brennan initially but I don't believe that nor do I think it was Euins or if it was he might have been considered as the original source in lieu of anyone else that is until Brennan came along. There were rumours suggesting Brennan initially told reporters ajffiliated with NBC that he thought the shiots came from the railway. He had to be brought back to the WC to confirm or deny this and he of course denied them. However I remember reading that Brennan was present when Euins was talking saying he saw the shooter and the rifle from the TSBD windows and also suggested that he adopted a bullshit story from the back of what Euins was claiming. In other words he made it up. I tend to believe this to be true. What Brennan claimed was ridiculous. Even the WC at the proclaimed his version as probative given he at the end didn't identify Oswald. My opinion is he got scared once he realised how far his story had travelled. Ford called him their Star witness but it didn't pan out that way. He was full of shit and they discovered that about him. He was asked to attend the HSCA committee but made first class travel demands for both him and his wife. Wrote a book of his account that read like s bad thriller. The bloke was full of it. I reckon Truly was the source but that ultimately the messenger of course couldnt be him. Euins was probably considered till Brennan butted in.

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Post by barto on Fri 21 Oct 2016, 8:21 pm

Regarding Truly's position in front of the TSBD. 

James Jarman in his WC tetsimony

Mr. BALL - What about Mr. Truly? 
Mr. JARMAN - He wasn't standing close to me. 
Mr. BALL - Did you see him? 
Mr. JARMAN - Yes, sir. 
Mr. BALL - Who was he with? 
Mr. JARMAN. He was with the Vice President of the company.
Mr. BALL - What is his name?
 Mr. JARMAN - O. V. Campbell. 
Mr. BALL - Where were they standing? 
Mr. JARMAN - They were standing at the corner of the building in front of the mail boxes.


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Post by barto on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 7:00 pm

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/National%20Enquirer%20FBI%20Records%20From%201-8-78%20Releases/Item%2036.pdf

Interesting FBI memo regarding the source and the description.

"FRITZ related that he -placed no stock whatsoever in the broadcast.at 12:43 :concerning a description of a white male, 5'10", 165 pounds individuall who allegedly was carrying a rifle and was seen running from the TSBD building shortly after the shooting of President KENNEDY. FRITZ stated that many wild a descriptions and rumours were being circulated and that  from his conversation with Oswald, he did not believe OSWALD.was the type of individual who would run, but probably casually walked away from the building."

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Post by barto on Sat 05 Nov 2016, 7:10 pm

Hoover to Rankin on the description
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/N%20Disk/National%20Enquirer%20FBI%20Records%20From%201-8-78%20Releases/Item%2035.pdf

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