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Hargrove stealing another thread with Armstrong's garbage

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Hargrove stealing another thread with Armstrong's garbage

Post by greg parker on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 10:55 am

See post 23 here where he copied and pasted a series of dot points from his shrine to Armstrong.

I want to concentrate on this one as a prime example of how low they will stoop to prop up their nonsense.


Hargrove wrote:
*Ruby was interviewing Francis Irene Hise for a job as a waitress when a young man entered the Carousel Club and Ruby said “Hi, Ozzie” to the young man. After she was hired Miss Hise served drinks to “Ozzie," whom she recognized after the assassination as LHO.

Here is the lengthy doc that this comes from https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60403&search=hise#relPageId=107&tab=page

It shows that in Nov 1966, a drunken Hise allegedly confided to her drunken boyfriend that she had been a waiter for Ruby and had seen Oswald in the Carousel on a number of occasions.  The boyfriend - a Mr Tooze - who claimed to be ex-FBI - phoned the tip through to the FBI.

We also learn that Tooze had phoned the tip through to an inspector in the San Francisco PD.  His name was Gino Marionetti and he interviewed Hise as a result of the tip. In this report, he indicated she appeared frightened and nervous, and that she had obviously been drinking. Her story was that on Oct 23, 1963, she was in the Carousel talking to Ruby about employment when a person she described as 5' 5" tall, white, male, with dark hair and about 30 years of age came in. She stated that Ruby referred to him as "Ozzie" and that she had no doubt that "Ozzie" and Lee Harvey Oswald were one and the same. It is also noted that Hise was facing some sort of charge in court, but much of that info is redacted.

The FBI interviewed Hise on Nov 28, 1966, but she declined to give any info until after her trial in Jan, 1967.

Inquiries about Tooze showed him to be a habitual drunk continually bragging about his background with FBI and various other agencies. 

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I'll allow Jimbo to put this in context:


Hargrove wrote:I haven't followed all Mr. Newton's links above, but it is fairly common knowledge that a Lee Harvey Oswald was seen by many witnesses with Jack Ruby in and around Dallas in the summer and fall of 1963.  What confuses everyone is that during most of this period the "Lee Harvey Oswald" married to Marina and eventually killed by Jack Ruby was living not in Dallas, but in New Orleans.

The above is his introduction to his Summer and Fall of 1963 witnesses. In it, he makes clear that the "Oswald" frequenting the Carousel at this time was the US born LHO - who Armstrong insists was a big athletic individual.

So why is he using the late memories of a drunk who recalls HER LHO as a mere '5' 5" - and a 30 year old to boot! He is well aware of that description because he notes Ruby referring to him as "Ozzie" and the description is in that same passage of the document.

The answer is that he hopes (as always) that no one bothers to check his claims - but if they do - he simply falls back on the claim that FBI documents were routinely altered.

Snake Oil and Snake Oil Salesmen. The Ed Forum however is happy to keep providing a platform for the sale of this utter shit.


Last edited by greg parker on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 10:47 pm; edited 3 times in total

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Post by steely dan on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 11:35 am

That's shit, shit. They now have high octane shit. And they give it away.
Fill up while it's going cheap.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 1:59 pm

Nice job, Greg. Hargroves, Armstrong, and the Ed forum can go to hell.

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Post by greg parker on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 3:45 pm

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Nice job, Greg. Hargroves, Armstrong, and the Ed forum can go to hell.
Yep. But as the saying goes, there are sometimes diamonds found in big piles of excrement.

Chris's thread is one of those increasingly rare threads, even if I can't agree that Ruby and Oswald were hanging out together in Dallas - let alone travelling to other parts of the state to deliver puppies and/or buy guns. Once again, the most likely candidate is our friend Larry Crafard.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 6:00 pm

Ah, good ole Larry Crafard. Much too sane an alternative to "Harvey" for the Harvey and Lee shills to contemplate.

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Post by greg parker on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 6:36 pm

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Ah, good ole Larry Crafard. Much too sane an alternative to "Harvey" for the Harvey and Lee shills to contemplate.
Chris isn't on board the Harvey and Lee Express. I am guessing he believes at least most such sightings were of the real LHO. 

But if you are talking about Hargroves - yep. Can't be Larry. Larry hung out with Ruby during the relevant period, was around the same age and height as LHO and was provably mistaken for Oswald in hindsight a number of times - therefore it simply cannot be him. Way too sane a solution, as you rightly suggest.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 25 Sep 2016, 11:31 pm

greg parker wrote:Chris isn't on board the Harvey and Lee Express. I am guessing he believes at least most such sightings were of the real LHO. 

But if you are talking about Hargroves - yep. Can't be Larry. Larry hung out with Ruby during the relevant period, was around the same age and height as LHO and was provably mistaken for Oswald in hindsight a number of times - therefore it simply cannot be him. Way too sane a solution, as you rightly suggest.

Didn't mean to imply that Chris was a H and L supporter, Greg. I was just taking a swipe at Hargroves, Armstrong, the Fez, and the rest of the H and L cult.

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Post by Jake Sykes on Mon 26 Sep 2016, 3:54 am

I admire Chris'  tactical skills. He cuts the nonsense off cleanly and to the quick. 

Poor old Andrej has walked straight into the sticky end of a dirty selfie stick and is now immersed in a no-think tank of stink and shinola for as long as he is willing to put up with it.

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