Raymond Franklin Krystinik redux

Wed 02 Nov 2016, 11:35 pm

First topic message reminder :

You may be familiar with the fact that Raymond Franklin Krystinik (to whom I will refer to as Frankie from here on) was a co-worker of Michael Paine at Bell Helicopter. In fact, Frankie told the FBI that he and Mike are “good friends.”

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10407#relPageId=192&tab=page

You may also be familiar with the fact that Frankie told the Warren Commission he served in the U. S. Navy (ONI anyone?); and that he attended a meeting of the American Civil Liberties Union with Oswald and Mike Paine in late October, 1963. This is something which Greg Parker exposed as being a load of garbage a while ago. In fact, Greg discovered that it was probably Ruth Paine who went with Oswald to a meeting of the ACLU:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6397&page=4

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3496

In the above link to Frankie’s interview with the FBI, we can see he told the FBI that during the ACLU meeting Oswald “emphatically” stated that General Edwin Walker was both anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic. Frankie repeated this claim during his WC testimony:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&search=Mr_Krystinik+Semitic+in+regards+to#relPageId=471&tab=page

We all know that Oswald was accused of taking a shot at Walker back in April, 1963. In my two part essay “Who was behind the assassination?” I discussed the likelihood that some of those involved in the assassination wanted to leave the public with the impression that Jews were behind the assassination. I have also discussed elsewhere that Lt. George Butler and reserve captain Charles Oliver Arnett from the DPD (both of whom we have good reason to believe were involved in the plot to kill Oswald in the basement of the DPD) claimed they had information that Oswald was the illegitimate son of the Jewish Jack Ruby.

I believe Frankie made the aforementioned comments about Oswald and Edwin Walker to not only reinforce the belief that Oswald took a shot at walker; but that he (Oswald) was a Jew lover. What’s also interesting is that Frankie told the FBI that shortly after the ACLU meeting, he and his wife went to (of all places) the Carousel Club; which of course was owned by the so-called illegitimate Jewish father of Oswald. Now isn’t that just a bit coincidental? Although I can’t prove it, I’d be willing to bet my undies that Frankie was subtly trying to leave the FBI with the impression that it was Oswald who suggested to him that he go to the Carousel club and that he (Oswald) was acquainted with Ruby.

Other things of interest to me is that Frankie told the FBI that Oswald allegedly said to him at the ACLU meeting that he was a Marxist; and that he also said to him “All right, if you want to call me [a Communist], that is what I am, I am a Communist.” Frankie vouched for Mike Paine’s honesty when he testified before the WC; stating that he would “almost stake” his reputation on Paine’s “apparent honesty.” Frankie also told the FBI that after he and Paine learned that the shots had been fired from near the TSBD; Paine said to him that Oswald “doesn’t even own a gun.” I think Frankie merely said this to give the FBI the impression that Paine was not involved in framing Oswald for the assassination.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10819#relPageId=2&tab=page

Anyway, that’s my take on Frankie. If he’s still alive, I think he has a lot of explaining to do.

Mon 14 Nov 2016, 9:57 pm

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Mon 14 Nov 2016, 10:38 pm

Telephone records show that someone called Irwin Weiner
former Chicago bail bondsman with crime syndicate ties,
from Ruby’s Carousel Club on Oct. 26, 1963, and talked for 13
minutes. Weiner was also acquitted with Allen Dorfman of
charges of fraud in connection with the Teamsters’ pension
fund case in April, 1975.

Ruby at about the same time started calling Barney Bake?
of Chicago, an enforcer for the underworld and a thug used by
the Teamsters Union. Baker, who had just been released
from the penitentiary in June, 1963, was being contacted in
connection with Ruby’s problems with the strippers’ uniou Id
Dallas, Ruby said.

Mon 14 Nov 2016, 11:40 pm

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Fred Korth, Nazi, and Ling-Temco-Vought connection:

https://goo.gl/1bjGmC

https://goo.gl/rfM0Kb

https://goo.gl/ZJ31rn

“In 1961 [David Harold] Byrd joined forces with James J. Ling and Chance Vought Corporation to form Ling-Temco-Vought (LTV).”

http://spartacus-educational.com/MDbyrdDH.htm

How convenient that at the time of the assassination, Byrd was in Africa on a Safari. Note also that David Ferrie (a former member of Byrd’s Civil Air Patrol) was believed to be at the “meeting.”

From the above link:

“Cooper was convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Naval Intellegence agent, and was certain that nine mysterious passengers on a cruise on the aircraft carrier Shangra-La sponsored by Secretary of the Navy Fred Korth in August of 1963 had something to do with the assassination. While a policeman in Florida, he made written inquiries to the Navy Department to find out their identities. He first received nine names, but two of them wound up aliases. The seven identified by the Navy Department were all business or political leaders in the New Orleans-Baton Rouge area. One had worked for the same insurance company as Lee's father, and another was a close friend of Dallas law enforcement officials who investigated the Kennedy assassination, and another had family connections with a local Nazi Party leader.”

Who the hell was he? That’s what I would like to know.

Tue 15 Nov 2016, 4:01 pm

Looked at the first man he couldn't locate.
Adoph or ADOLPHE Vermont Jr. of South Carolina has a little history with investigations and set ups.

Florence Morning News » 1961 » December » 7 Dec 1961, Thu » Page 7
S. C. (AP) Two Spartanburg city councilmen, one. of them mayor pro-tem, were arrested and charged with bribery here Wednesday. Police said they accepted $10,- vanced by the councilmen, they would deliver from the five-mem- TSiceloff said they also have not 00 in marked money from a real part in a sub-division development and a substantial amount of the development costs would be re esLate man. Councilmen Shea West Thomas, 41, and L, T. Buck Amick, 50, plained that her grandson, Wih turned to the developers, accord- were charged and released under ins to Strom. after Adolphe Vermont Jr., Spartanburg real estate man, com appear at the ociooer neanng. Cmrlnov Siceloff of Frogmore, costs for storm sewers ana new streets in subdivision developments. plained io police that Thomas and Amick had offered to swing city tinued. Mayor A. D. Cudd has council votes in favor of city participation in a subdivision development in exchange for $10,000. favored it. Thomas, who operates a sportswear and dry goods store -here, is in his third term on city coun- J. P. Strom, Chief of SLED, Adolphe Vermont made a payoff to the two men under police direction Amick, a Railway Express won with she marked money, ine nmnlove. ts m his first term, councilmen were arrested after . As mayor pro-term, Thomas is if the payoff, each with a bundle of ; at tie head of city government the absence of Cudd, Cudd was not immediately available for comment on the Fir- rests. Spartanburg Chief of Police Ralph Prince said the arrests came to him as a surprise. $5,000 in marked bills of S10 and $20 denominations in his possession. The exchange of cash occurred after Vermont met the two men in the parking lot of Spartanburg General Hospital. Strom said Vermont got in the car w i t h Thomas and Amick and returned with them after a 15-minute ride- After Vermont got out of tiie l Strom said he talked Tuesday with Atty. Gen- Danile R. McLeod fe. Vermont's complaint then came to Spartanburg. car. Strom and other SLED agents j Industrialist Cites State s made the arrests. The SLED chief said he wanted "to personally commend Adolphe Vermont Jr. for his wholehearted cooperation and courage in this entire transaction.

Tue 15 Nov 2016, 11:36 pm

John Edward Joyner (member of the American Nazi Party):

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490&search=John_Edward+Joyner#relPageId=829&tab=page

Ralph Perry Forbes (another member of the American Nazi Party):

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99667&search=Ralph_Perry+Forbes+American+Nazi+Party#relPageId=11&tab=page

Was Forbes related to Mike Paine on his mother’s side of the family???

“FORBES, RALPH P. 23-yr-old Marine who was honorably discharged in 1960. Became a captain in American Nazi Party. November 29, 1963, he wrote letter to H. L. Hunt.”

https://goo.gl/EA2kz3

Now I wonder what he had to say to his fellow anti-Semite so soon after the assassination. FWIW, I discussed Hunt’s anti-Semitism and its potential significance to the assassination in the following essay:

http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/who-was-behind-assassination.html

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 7:37 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:John Edward Joyner (member of the American Nazi Party):

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490&search=John_Edward+Joyner#relPageId=829&tab=page

Ralph Perry Forbes (another member of the American Nazi Party):

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99667&search=Ralph_Perry+Forbes+American+Nazi+Party#relPageId=11&tab=page

Was Forbes related to Mike Paine on his mother’s side of the family???

“FORBES, RALPH P. 23-yr-old Marine who was honorably discharged in 1960. Became a captain in American Nazi Party. November 29, 1963, he wrote letter to H. L. Hunt.”

https://goo.gl/EA2kz3

Now I wonder what he had to say to his fellow anti-Semite so soon after the assassination. FWIW, I discussed Hunt’s anti-Semitism and its potential significance to the assassination in the following essay:

http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/who-was-behind-assassination.html

Took some digging, but I finally found Craver. In '73, he was the president of the Navy League.
NOTABLE EVENTS AND PROJECTS

In May of 1972, with President Bill Craver and his committee led by Paul Quattlebaum, Charleston Council hosted the National Convention for Navy League. http://www.navyleaguecharleston.org/council-history.html
According to Cooper, the guest list on Korth's boat party had been organized by the Navy League.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60403&relPageId=34&search=%22navy_league%22

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 8:34 am

Forbes was apparently a "reverend".

Post at stormfront:
This may have been around the time when Rev. (Lieutenant) Ralph Perry Forbes was in Glendale, California with his ever-growing family along with Allen Lee Vincent and of course Harry Earl Blair and the former Cathy Childress.

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 1:35 pm

Thanks, Greg.

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 2:02 pm

August 1, 1961

ARLINGTON, Va (Jul. 31)
Arlington police today impounded George Rockwell’s Nazi party “hate bus,” decorated with swastika emblems, and arrested its driver.
The driver was Ralph Perry Forbes, 21, who told police his occupation was a “professional Nazi” and that he lived as a “stormtrooper” at Rockwell’s headquarters barracks. He was charged with having no Virginia driver’s permit. The vehicle was seized for lacking proper Virginia registration papers and an Arlington County license.
Arlington police meanwhile revealed that the bus is registered in the name Schuyler Ferris, who holds a strategic Job in the U.S. Army Map Service. Defense Department officials said they are investigating Mr. Ferris’ association with Rockwell.

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 4:31 pm

Reverend my arse,

Also arrested was Ralph Perry Forbes, 26, of El Monte, Calif., who attempted to interfere with Rockwell's arrest. Forbes said he was a pastor, but later described himself as the western division commander of the Nazi party and a "self- employed cleric."

-Denton Record-Chronicle » 1966 » September » 11 Sep 1966, Sun » Page 8

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 4:38 pm

Ed. Ledoux wrote:August 1, 1961

ARLINGTON, Va (Jul. 31)
Arlington police today impounded George Rockwell’s Nazi party “hate bus,” decorated with swastika emblems, and arrested its driver.
The driver was Ralph Perry Forbes, 21, who told police his occupation was a “professional Nazi” and that he lived as a “stormtrooper” at Rockwell’s headquarters barracks. He was charged with having no Virginia driver’s permit. The vehicle was seized for lacking proper Virginia registration papers and an Arlington County license.
Arlington police meanwhile revealed that the bus is registered in the name Schuyler Ferris, who holds a strategic Job in the U.S. Army Map Service. Defense Department officials said they are investigating Mr. Ferris’ association with Rockwell.

Good find, Ed! Thanks.

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 6:18 pm

Ralph was defended by ACLU

The ACLU of Southern California took the same stand, winning the right of an American Nazi Party member, Ralph Forbes, to hold a meeting in a
public park. The Redondo Beach City Council had banned the meeting,
but a Superior Court judge reversed the decision. The affiliate also filed
suit on behalf of a Turn for Peace group which was denied the use of
the private Shrine Auditorium after paying a down payment on the hall;
the trial will be held this winter.

And this bit:

Forbes, a printer who says he is a minister, wears a clerical collar and carries a Bible, was arrested during the Sept. 10 march just after Rockwell's arrest.

Abilene Reporter-News » 1966 » September » 21 Sep 1966, Wed » Page 3

Wed 16 Nov 2016, 11:32 pm

You may be familiar with the following from Eva Grant’s testimony:

Mr. BURLESON. What has Jack told you as to what you should do with and to yourself?

Mrs. GRANT. He wants me to do away with myself.

Mr. BURLESON. Does he give you a reason why?

Mrs. GRANT. He thinks they are going to kill out all the Jews and he has made remarks that 25 million Jews have been slaughtered.

Mr. BURLESON. Already?

Mrs. GRANT. On the floor below.

Mr. BURLESON. And they are being slaughtered where?

Mrs. GRANT. In the jail and sometimes it's planes going over and they are dropping bombs on the Jews.

Mr. BURLESON. Has he told you about hearing or seeing Jews boiled in oil?

Mrs. GRANT. Oh, yes.

Mr. BURLESON. And has he told you about seeing or hearing his brother, Earl, being dismembered?

Mrs. GRANT. Yes; and his children.

Mr. BURLESON. And Earl's children, and by dismembered, he has seen them cut off?

Mrs. GRANT. Arms and legs--they are cut off.

………………………………….

Mr. BURLESON. Has Jack told you that he was actually tried for the killing of president Kennedy?

Mrs. GRANT. No; but he thinks that they think that he killed the President.

Mr. BURLESON. Did he tell you that what he went through with was not really a trial, but a farce?

Mrs. GRANT. Yes.

Mr. BURLESON. And part of a play?

Mrs. GRANT. In fact; his verdict is on the 14th and the next day he says to me in front of Eileen, "When will the trial be?

Mr. BURLESON. Did he say it wasn't really Judge Brown that was up there but somebody else?

Mrs. GRANT. That's exactly what he said.

Mr. BURLESON. Did he tell you anything about their introducing evidence in his absence?

Mrs. GRANT. Yes.

Mr. BURLESON. And that evidence that they were supposed to have introduced is the fact that he killed President Kennedy?

Mrs. GRANT. Well, he just thinks they are blaming him for it and they think he did it and they are going to take it out on all the Jews.

I can’t prove it, but I’d be willing to bet my car that these delusions were “planted” into Ruby’s mind as part of a plot to give the impression that Jews were behind the assassination. As far as I’m concerned, there are two reasons why Ruby was chosen to kill Oswald:

1). To ensure Oswald would never go to trial and risk being acquitted for the assassination.

2). To give the impression that Ruby and Oswald were part of a Jewish plot to assassinate JFK; and that he (Ruby) shot Oswald so he wouldn’t rat on him.

I realise that reason #2 may be out of the comfort zone of a lot of people, but that’s what my research over these past few years has led me to believe…

Thu 17 Nov 2016, 7:49 am

Hasan, I think his delusions were from Preludin. I think they were pumping it in to him and allowing him to read certain material that was in the press at the time.

If you read these case studies of Preludin addicts published in 1959, in case study number 2, we find a woman who believed that the Nazis were coming to kill her.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673659905628

In the news in the 50's and 60's was the exposing of unauthorized medical experiments at a Jewish hospital.

A quote from an old post of mine at the Ed Forum:

Newsweek, 4 June 1956, p. 67; "Volunteers for Cancer," Time, 4 June 1956, p. 48). The public outrage over the experimentation at the Chronic Disease Hospital stemmed from the discovery that the patients had not been told that the cells being injected were cancer cells, and had not given consent. (The doctors claimed to have obtained oral consent, but it was discovered that many of the patients in question were deaf, spoke only Yiddish, or were senile.) Further, the experiments were not conducted for the benefit of the patients involved, nor did the physicians experiment first on themselves. It is possible that public outrage over this incident was magnified because the patients in question were Jewish and mentally and physically impaired, suggesting some obvious parallels to human experimentation in Nazi Germany. ("Hospital Accused on Cancer Study, NY Times, 21 January 1964, p. 31; "State Broadens Cancer Inquiry," NY Times, 22 January 1964, p. 38; "Test on Cancer to Need Consent," 23 January 1964, p. 28; "Many Scientific Experts Condemn Ethics of Cancer Injection," 26 January 1964, p. 70; "Experimental Ethics," Time, 3 February 1964, p. 48.)

Thu 17 Nov 2016, 9:19 am

Nice work guys.

Here is the tale of tests at Brooklyn's Jewish Chronic Disease Hospital

nypost.com/2013/12/28/nycs-forgotten-cancer-scandal/

The project Southam was proposing was a continuation of cancer studies he had been doing for well over a decade. He had already worked in Africa injecting an assortment of rare and common viruses including mumps, dengue, West Nile, and Semliki Forest virus in severely ill cancer patients. Southam had also performed cancer-cell experiments on more than 100 healthy prisoners at an Ohio state penitentiary.

In his Brooklyn study, Southam and his JCDH partners decided to avoid “the phobia and ignorance that surrounds the word cancer” by telling patients “they were getting human cells growing in test tubes.”

Thu 17 Nov 2016, 11:28 pm

Thanks for the info, guys. Very interesting...

Sat 19 Nov 2016, 11:36 pm

Either the following is a load of bullshit, or Marguerite Oswald was bitten by the “Jews did it” bug herself:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=97097&search=Lee_Harvey+Oswald+Jews#relPageId=4&tab=page

The following is an anti-Semitic article accusing the Jews of assassinating JFK:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11742&search=Lee_Harvey+Oswald+Jews#relPageId=244&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62335&search=Andrew_Ivan+Volsky#relPageId=50&tab=page

Sun 20 Nov 2016, 9:55 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Either the following is a load of bullshit, or Marguerite Oswald was bitten by the “Jews did it” bug herself:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=97097&search=Lee_Harvey+Oswald+Jews#relPageId=4&tab=page

The following is an anti-Semitic article accusing the Jews of assassinating JFK:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11742&search=Lee_Harvey+Oswald+Jews#relPageId=244&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62335&search=Andrew_Ivan+Volsky#relPageId=50&tab=page

Hasan, I would have no reason to disbelieve her as to her former employer blaming the Kennedy administration for losing money on the stock market. Nor would I doubt Ruby attended the brit milah. They all possibly belonged to the same Synagogue. I don't think this paints her as necessarily anti-Semitic. She was just doing what we all do... trying to connect dots. In any case, she didn't hold on to this theory for long. The Korth theory was the one that stuck with her in the following years. Interesting bit of info though! It certainly would encourage someone like Marge to be exposed to all of the anti-Jewish rhetoric and the "Jews-did-it" theories that weren't exactly in short supply back then...

Tue 22 Nov 2016, 11:34 pm

George Joseph King Jr.; a pro-Nazi swine who discussed the possibility of assassinating JFK:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11503&search=George_King+Jr+Jew#relPageId=664&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48700&search=King_is+extreme+right+wing+hates+Jews#relPageId=11&tab=page

From the following link:

“The purpose of the Rangers is to build an underground network for the conduct of guerrilla warfare. No reliable figures are currently available, but all information indicates a small membership figure. The training program is said to encompass all the different activities which a guerrilla force would be called upon to undertake, ranging from intelligence to actual combat. The members assertedly are instructed to acquire firearms, and to practice in their use. In connection with the acquisition of firearms, it is of interest to take note of the following incident:

In August 1963, Ranger member, George Joseph King, Jr., son of a retired admiral, was arrested in the act of selling a 50-caliber machine gun and a 9mm British Sten gun to undercover agents whom he had been led to believe were interested in joining the Rangers. That proposed transaction was to be the first of other deals in which King had claimed he could produce almost unlimited quantities of illegal arms.

Under Col. Gale's leadership, some of the recruitment effort has been directed toward former military servicemen to serve as an organizational nucleus. In furtherance of that program, the Colonel in 1963 transferred his American Legion membership to the Signal Hill post where he and his follower, George Joseph King, Jr., joined in converting the post into a front for the Rangers. The Long Beach Press -Telegram featured an expose of the situation. It revealed that the regular post meetings were adjourned to listen to speeches by Gale, and that many of the Legionnaires had joined Gale's Rangers, which the newspaper described as ‘a secret guerrilla group composed of persons devoted to extremist racial and religious beliefs.’ Acting upon those reports, the California American Legion governing board conducted a hearing, found the reports to be valid, and thereafter in June 1964, revoked the charter of the Signal Hill post.”

https://archive.org/stream/foia_Paramilitary_Orgs_in_California_1965_84p/Paramilitary_Orgs_in_California_1965_84p_djvu.txt

Fri 25 Nov 2016, 3:02 pm

More on the Signal Hill post of the American Legion:

http://www.jta.org/1964/06/30/archive/los-angeles-post-of-american-legion-loses-charter-charged-with-bias

I wonder how far Gale's and King's influence spread throughout the legion; specifically the American Legion post No. 53 in Dallas which the conservative Jack Cason was a former commander of.

http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13290552-cason-and-the-fbi

Sun 27 Nov 2016, 4:56 pm

More on the dark history of the American Legion. William Doyle; who was a "state commander" of the Legion, was one of those involved in the plot to overthrow FDR:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Coup.htm

https://goo.gl/CwmEFv

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2016/11/plot-president-franklin-d-roosevelt/

Yo, Brian. Is this guy related to you?

Mon 28 Nov 2016, 12:27 am

I must say, I'm still suspicious about Jack Cason leaving the TSBD at approximately 12:10 pm. Was he perhaps under the false impression that the 12:10 pm assassination plot had succeeded? Who knows.

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