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John Thomas Masen

on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 8:24 pm
On this page there is a video with the title Mannlicher Carcano rifle

https://www.wpafilmlibrary.com/exhibit/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Could the unidentified gunshop owner be John Thomas Masen?

From memory there were only 2 shops that stocked ammo for the rifle in Dallas. The other guy has a Latino name (from memory). The guy sounds Texan to me and they talk of him ever mounting a left hand scope. To my mind this makes sense only if the interview was conducted in Dallas. If he is Masen he does indeed bear a resemblance to LHO.
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 10:32 pm

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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 10:38 pm
Yeah, I've seen that pic. It was when he was 18 and from a school yearbook. I also saw a modern day interview with him on video.....he looked nothing like the geeky high school pic. Do you think the interview indicates that it was done in Dallas?

Do a Google for John Thomas Masen JFK.....see what you get. Any pics that look like the guy being interviewed?
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 11:15 pm

This looks like it's been cropped from the film. It probably is Masen, but I'd also bet that the person who labelled him as Masen was making an assumption.

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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 11:56 pm
I think you are right Greg. Do you think the guy interviewed was a Dallas gunshop owner? Do you think he looks a better match for Oswald than the other high school photo?
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 8:15 am
Colin Crow wrote:I think you are right Greg. Do you think the guy interviewed was a Dallas gunshop owner? Do you think he looks a better match for Oswald than the other high school photo?
Owner or employee. And yes, a far better match. It still could be the same person in both photos, but I am definitely not saying it is.

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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 8:59 am
Colin Crow wrote: wrote:On this page there is a video with the title Mannlicher Carcano rifle

https://www.wpafilmlibrary.com/exhibit/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Could the unidentified gunshop owner be John Thomas Masen?
https://d2rymvp8p5hlxw.cloudfront.net/540162_1_wm.mp4

That is Dial Duwayne Ryder.

CBS-TY
Thursday, November 28, 1963
INTERVIEW WITH DIAL RYDER, IRVING GUNSMITH SHOP,
DALLAS, TEXAS

Q. You have attached a lot of scopes, telescopic sights
recently . Row would you mount a scope on a gun like that?

RYDER. Well, actually there is really one way to mount
it on there. It would be with a side mount, and I don't recall
putting a side mount on any bolt action that I've Worked on.

Hmm, he does have a Lee Oswald resemblance.


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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 9:11 am
Colin Crow wrote:On this page there is a video with the title Mannlicher Carcano rifle

https://www.wpafilmlibrary.com/exhibit/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Could the unidentified gunshop owner be John Thomas Masen?

Colin,

Letter from Blakey to Carpentier of the CIA. John Thomas Masen. Date of birth; August 15, 1940.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=51018&relPageId=3&search="John_Thomas%20Masen"

Does the man in your video look 23 (or whenever that video was shot?)

I don't have an opinion. Just asking.

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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 9:33 am
Steve Thomas wrote:
Colin Crow wrote:On this page there is a video with the title Mannlicher Carcano rifle

https://www.wpafilmlibrary.com/exhibit/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

Could the unidentified gunshop owner be John Thomas Masen?


Does the man in your video look 23 (or whenever that video was shot?)

I don't have an opinion. Just asking.

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From CD 778 page 15.
It lists the colleges Masen said he attended.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11176&search="John_Thomas+Masen"#relPageId=19&tab=page

A person could research the alumni associations of those colleges.
Those alumni associations never forget anybody
I'm still getting letters 40 years later *smile*

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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 10:00 am
1957 Irving High School.
Judy Riley, Lanny Money, Margaret Andrew, Dial Ryder, Jamae Applewhite, Bull Smith, Odis Jarosh

Crap shoot as to which is Dial though in that pic.

But he was born 1938 died 2011.
Ryder Dial 1957 - 6-12-1938 ~ 10-20-2011. Married to Peggy Jones Ryder (1959)
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 10:03 am
I thought of Ryder, but didn't he claim Oswald had been in to have some work done on a rifle?

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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 11:06 am
Yeah he did Greg...I think he was the one that reported scoping the Carcano.
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 11:29 am
I could be wrong but didn't Ryder appear on one of the early CBS specials? The one I am thinking of had Garland Slack also.
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 3:36 pm
In the CBS special he denies it as it would only be a side mount.
As I posted above the man in the film is Ryder.
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on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 7:01 pm
Sorry Ed.....just noticed your post. Many thanks.
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Wed 08 Feb 2017, 7:29 pm
My recollection of Ryder's story was not quite right.

Found this was interesting.....

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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Mon 25 Dec 2017, 4:15 am
Masen got my attention due to ATF's Frank Ellsworth in Dick Russel's book The Man Who Knew Too Much. Russel interviewed him, overall I thought he was bigging his presence up a little too much. But he did say that Masen was a dead ringer for Oswald. And said that when he saw Oswald in custody he at first thought he had let slip Masen though his fingers and ending up killing JFK

Article by Mark Bridger
http://dealeyplazauk.org.uk/pdfArticles/John_Masen.pdf
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Sun 31 Dec 2017, 10:02 am
Most interesting. Whois the informant?
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=147384#relPageId=8&tab=page

And T-1 whose ID is still a mystery.
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Re: John Thomas Masen

on Sun 31 Dec 2017, 11:04 am
My guess for T-1 was most probably Frank Ellsworth of the ATF. 
Thanks to David Butler I can confirm that.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=136073&relPageId=2&search=%22Frank_Ellsworth%22%20t-1%20informant

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