Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part B

from the leads thread wrote:James Jarman told a HSCA investigator that he heard on the day of the assassination that Oswald had been allowed to leave the building after coming down the front stairs. This permission was given by Roy Truly and the same police officer who ordered Norman and Williams and himself back inside. See: HSCA transcript at main site.

greg parker wrote:

greg parker wrote:We all know now the type of information the likes of Norman, Jarman and Shield had because of their HSCA interviews.

But it looks very much like Norman at least, may have given that same info to the WC -- but it was taken "off the record"

Mr. McCLOY. You testified that you had not seen Oswald except this one occasion in the morning. Did you hear any of your friends or coworkers say whether they had seen Oswald on that morning? 
Mr. NORMAN. Not until after 
Mr. McCLOY. After the assassination? 
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; that is the only time. 
Mr. BALL. Off the record. 
(Discussion off the record.) 
The CHAIRMAN. Did you see Brennan down there when you came downstairs? Did you come out the front door? 


What did Norman say  about Oswald's movements that we weren't allowed to hear?

I think Warren gives us a major clue as to what was being discussed. They went from talking about Oswald sightings that morning before going off the record to discussing seeing Brennan outside post-assassination. That is a major hint that this was about Oswald leaving the building.

Stan Dane wrote:

Ed. Ledoux wrote:I find the whole mess a bunch a crap.
There was no COKE.
Lee drank Dr Pepper.
The bottle on the steps is a DP.
There were DP's left in the machine as Sawyer is drinking one out front!

We know the second floor lunchroom encounter is bullshit. Overwhelming direct and circumstantial evidence that it never happened. Beyond any reasonable doubt. Period.
 
With this established, what is the one thing, the one term, you always hear in discussions involving Oswald's movements in the 3 minutes following the assassination?
 
A Coke.
 
It is doctrine for both lone nutter and conspiracy theorists alike.
 
If your beverage of choice is Dr. Pepper—and it is available on the first floor—why go to the second floor to get a Coke?
 
The Coke fetish that most have is simply a supporting piece of the fiction—the preponderance of phony evidence—to show Oswald was in the second floor lunchroom 90 seconds after the shooting.
 
There was an empty Dr. Pepper bottle close to where Prayer Man was standing as seen in a photo following the assassination. Prayer Man seems to be holding something in his hand(s) in Wiegman. (Who else was seen drinking a soda pop during this time?)
 
When one lies, everything they say must be questioned. I question the Coke.
 
I agree, Ed. There was no Coke. How do I know this? Because most everybody talks about it, and as with the second floor lunchroom encounter, most everybody is wrong.

Ed. Ledoux wrote:

greg parker wrote:The curtain rod story never made sense to me.  
There is your first clue
Who was supplying the curtains to put on the rods?
The Curtain Fairy, whom else?
Supposedly Marina and Buell tried to pass this stone along

Ed. Ledoux wrote:JArman reads paper, assumes motorcade will be by about 12:15

Jarman stated that he was standing outside “until about 12:20, between 12:20 and 12:25”.

Jarman waits till the very time the parade is due by to go back inside?
If you got off early at 11:45 you would need to be back at work at 12:30
...back in the building by 12:30


Givens is directly asked about seeing Lee at 11:50 reading a paper in the domino room, which Givens of course denies he ever said that...
The idea is it was 7:50am and he would be reading yesterdays paper.
Can't have that either as Lee would need that ride from Bill.

But Givens was pretty clear he came down washed and was walking about the first floor getting ready to go out.
Not getting ready to go to work by washing up...
So its more likely Lee was doing what Shelley was doing, starting lunch break, as witnessed by Givens

http://bookoflife.org/images/2013/jfk_oswaldalibi_cd5_329.gif
Billy Lovelady thought he saw Oswald there around 11:50 (WCD 5 p. 332)

Why is Billy knocking off early?

Again the lunch period is 12 noon.
Why is it everything points to an approximate 11:45 time for that days lunch break.

Buell needs to translate again for us.
As how is it that 11:45 or 11:50 means 12 noon in his language as an Old Texas Boy

And about the fingerprints on the sack,
I saw this page with the fingerprint details and an unconnected picture of Lee passing out flyers. I thought there was something odd about Lee's grip. I highlighted in yellow the pertinent parts.
What do you think?






Is that how these strange prints are on there, they showed it to him and he handed it back?
Or made the sack from paper they knew he had touched.
Maybe when you put a new roll on the wrapping table dispenser you need to get the tape and paper started so you rip the first few feet off.

Grab paper from a roll of paper and grip it.
Ahha you would leave a print of both your index fingers (thumb side) and both thumbs, or with an odd grip the thumbs don't do the gripping but index finger and palm do.

Thanks for looking! Ed

BC_II wrote:Hey Ed, great posts as always and I honestly don't mean to derail but, that image says that Morales took the photo and video? Is that true or proven in any way?

greg parker wrote:

BC_II wrote:Hey Ed, great posts as always and I honestly don't mean to derail but, that image says that Morales took the photo and video? Is that true or proven in any way?

BC, Ed may correct me here, but I don't think he was the person who added the text about this being taken by Morales. He just snagged the photo off the web because of the possible fingerprint issue.

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