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Hyde My Paine
Fri 21 Jul 2017, 5:19 pm
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Sun 15 Dec 2019, 4:36 pm
And BK reached out to me, saying if I sent him a book he'd review it.
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Mon 10 Feb 2020, 1:16 am
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Sun 08 Mar 2020, 7:35 pm
WC - Ruth Hyde Paine personal papers
Thanks to Malcolm Blunt.
Thanks to Malcolm Blunt.
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Mon 01 Jun 2020, 4:07 pm
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Tue 02 Jun 2020, 2:20 am
Looks like the "Oswald was horrible" narrative started quite early. The funny thing about it is, if he was unintelligent and the other shit they say about him, why in the fuck did they continue to keep him around? People tend to keep friends where they are more or less like minded.
So they continued to help him and his wife out all the while thinking he was some kind of loose cannon? What a joke!
So they continued to help him and his wife out all the while thinking he was some kind of loose cannon? What a joke!
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Sat 06 Jun 2020, 12:40 pm
The Paines are quite a suspicious couple. Their story does not pass the stiff test.
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Thu 01 Oct 2020, 2:24 am
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10051-10096.pdf
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Mon 05 Oct 2020, 1:45 am
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=54732#relPageId=2&tab=page
and from the ONI, and for the first time available online:
Malcolm's $0.02
I know researchers have talked about Mrs Paine's alleged "pen pal" activities..so maybe this doc has just not made it into an online collection?...see the ref is to Ruth's FBI file.....so even though it's a an ONI file..the original source is the bureau....
and from the ONI, and for the first time available online:
Malcolm's $0.02
I know researchers have talked about Mrs Paine's alleged "pen pal" activities..so maybe this doc has just not made it into an online collection?...see the ref is to Ruth's FBI file.....so even though it's a an ONI file..the original source is the bureau....
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Mon 05 Oct 2020, 1:47 am
Michael Paine HSCA
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JYj2TD-m9SRJgTWYqyHgXNqjhzkVf3Py/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JYj2TD-m9SRJgTWYqyHgXNqjhzkVf3Py/view?usp=sharing
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Wed 14 Oct 2020, 5:39 pm
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Tue 27 Apr 2021, 2:38 am
Film evidence. Thanks to Malcolm Blunt.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S62jAiQDuSSbELQkC1gl3C3k8fdTxYKI/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S62jAiQDuSSbELQkC1gl3C3k8fdTxYKI/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Mon 10 May 2021, 6:25 pm
67 misc pages on Ruthy and Mike Paine. Thanks to Malcolm Blunt.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10oqVOv5DbzwPMwnlR220EARCeZJj2aAN/view?usp=sharing
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KGnA61a_rqua4TDKvKAq64VBOCsh5tYU/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Thu 02 Jun 2022, 5:55 pm
The trailer for the up and coming release of The Assassination & Mrs Paine can be watched here: https://vimeo.com/388373226
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Fri 03 Jun 2022, 2:37 am
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Fri 03 Jun 2022, 3:56 am
Good vid Vinny...
She starts by portraying herselfs as woven into a lot of theories.
Actually she weaved herself into all of the suspicious activities.
She's not just any lone nutter.
She needs that LN or she is actionable.
Deflecting is her saving grace.
She starts by portraying herselfs as woven into a lot of theories.
Actually she weaved herself into all of the suspicious activities.
She's not just any lone nutter.
She needs that LN or she is actionable.
Deflecting is her saving grace.
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Tue 07 Jun 2022, 12:50 pm
I just saw the film. Well half of it, got interrupted so will finish it tomorrow. They are offering a digital screening plus Q&A session for $10 right now if anyone is interested:
https://watch.eventive.org/sfdocfest2022/play/626d8b2caebd3e00b2de44e4
So far I’ve enjoyed it but I wish that Good asked more specific questions and got into stuff like Hootkins, mail destruction, the trip with Marina to New Orleans, etc.
https://watch.eventive.org/sfdocfest2022/play/626d8b2caebd3e00b2de44e4
So far I’ve enjoyed it but I wish that Good asked more specific questions and got into stuff like Hootkins, mail destruction, the trip with Marina to New Orleans, etc.
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Sat 11 Jun 2022, 7:52 pm
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Re: Hyde My Paine
Mon 13 Jun 2022, 5:34 am
Aaron Good just put out a pretty good podcast with Max Good and DiEugenio about the film and Ruth Paine in general. They spend a good chunk of time on Greg’s work on Hootkins. You might have to make an account to listen to it but it’s five bucks and he has some good podcasts on there:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/67651710
https://www.patreon.com/posts/67651710
Re: Hyde My Paine
Mon 13 Jun 2022, 11:52 am
Thanks Tom.JFK_FNG wrote:Aaron Good just put out a pretty good podcast with Max Good and DiEugenio about the film and Ruth Paine in general. They spend a good chunk of time on Greg’s work on Hootkins. You might have to make an account to listen to it but it’s five bucks and he has some good podcasts on there:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/67651710
Max does get the Hootkins stuff slightly muddled in this interview, as does Jim on a different part of it. But that is not a criticism. I am pretty much immersed in the research, while they are simply trying to recall it off the cuff.
It is interesting that after I gave this story to Max some years ago, he tried to talk to Hootkins widow about whether he was the type of guy who would have joined an anti-Communist group in high school and she did not respond.
But I will respond to that attempt by Max.
Firstly, the stuff about him joining such a group was speculative. The main point of the research was that the evidence that the kid with Oswald was Hootkins is overwhelming to the point where I believe it is 99.9% certain.
Though Hootkins being part of what was essentially a junior FBI on campus was speculative, it was speculation underpinned by circumstantial evidence.
To answer the question, would Hootkins join such a group, I would say why not?
Such groups would look for those with acting ability - and Hootkins was already displaying that on stage.
He certainly never went off about the benefits of one world government on the basis of his schooling or home life. St Marks was a bastion of monied Dallas ultra conservatism and his father donated to some politicians with pretty extremist right wing views.
Given that his rant at the barbershop was the oppositie of what should have been coming out of his mouth, it is a reasonable assumption that he was role-playing.
Where Max got confused is in saying that he was doing this in conjunction with Oswald. As Jim said, he never spoke a word when he was in the shop with Oswald. Then he appears on his own a few days before the assassination, creates this memorable scene and never returns there. It is far more likely that the scene was created to smear Oswald by association as a communist.
Who was he doing this with or for, if not a group similar to Students for America and its secretive Jr FBI? Who could have helped fascilitate it, if not Ruth Paine? After all, Bill's mother believed Bill was being picked up and taken to the school for lessons, while the school believed Bill was having the lessons in his own home. Who could have fooled the parents and the school on that except the person providing the lessons?
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