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    Marinus van der Lubbe vs Lee Harvey Oswald

    on Fri 29 Sep 2017, 11:43 pm
    Marinus van der Lubbe - father a traveling salesman - left home for good shortly after Marinus was born
    Lee Harvey Oswald - father a traveling insurance salesman - died shortly before Lee was born

    Marinus van der Lubbe - mother a divorcee set up her own little shop
    Lee Harvey Oswald - mother a divorcee set up a little lotion shop

    Marinus van der Lubbe - was placed in home for orphans for a short period
    Lee Harvey Oswald - was placed in an orphanage for a short period

    Marinus van der Lubbe - was described by one teacher as a gifted pupil
    Lee Harvey Oswald - Oswald tested in the high end of average for IQ despite lack of schooling and was gifted with languages

    Marinus van der Lubbe - lived with his half-sister for a short period
    Lee Harvey Oswald - Lived with his half-brother for a short period

    Marinus van der Lubbe - joined the youth organization of the Dutch Communist Party, De Zaaier (The Sower)
    Lee Harvey Oswald - inquired about joining the YPSL - youth organization of the Socialist Party

    Marinus van der Lubbe- Of an independent nature and resentful towards authority, as a young autodidact he frequented the public library of Leyden where he read Philosophy and Work of Henry Ford, Marx’s Kapital and several books about travels through Tibet and China, among other books.
    Lee Harvey Oswald - Of an independent nature and resentful towards authority, as a young autodidact he frequented the public library and was said to read encyclopedias, atlases, philosophical works, Das Kapital and to memorize the Marine Manual,

    Marinus van der Lubbe - ended up a supporter of Council Communism - a libertarian arm of the movement
    Lee Harvey Oswald - devised his own political manifesto which seemed to borrow from Council Communism

    Marinus van der Lubbe - tried to get a visa in the Soviet Consulate in Germany but failed and headed back to Holland 
    Lee Harvey Oswald - did attempt to defect to the Soviet Union and allegedly later tried to get a visa in the Soviet Consulate in Mexico

    Marinus van der Lubbe - arrested for illegal sale of postcards and “communist propaganda”. Freed after 10 days in jail, 
    Lee Harvey Oswald - jailed for causing a street disturbance while handing out pro-Cuba propaganda

    Marinus van der Lubbe - wanted to be a writer
    Lee Harvey Oswald - wanted to be a writer or photographer

    Marinus van der Lubbe - Worked in a series of dead end jobs and occasionally received unemployment relief
    Lee Harvey Oswald - worked in a series of dead-end jobs and occasionally received unemployment relief

    Marinus van der Lubbe -
    at meetings of various groups, railed against the rise of Fascism advocating action against it  
    Lee Harvey Oswald - allegedly spoke out against Fascism and General Walker at a ACLU meeting 

    Marinus van der Lubbe- Disheartened by a lack of anti-fascist action, he decided to act on his own. on the night of 25th February he tried to burn down an unemployment office and a castle and the Imperial Palace in Berlin. On the 27th he succeeded in burning down the Reichstag, the German parliamentary building, and was apprehended there. This was the flimsy pretext for a closing down of political organizations and papers and the arrest of thousands of socialists, communists and anarchists.
    Lee Harvey Oswald - Allegedly left a note threatening to blow up the FBI office, then on Nov 22 allegedly shot Kennedy. Initially treated as part of a communist plot, with some continuing to push that line.

    van der Lubbe was the real deal, though his culpability in the Reichstag fire remains an open question. his bio details here: http://libcom.org/history/articles/1911-1934-marinus-van-der-lubbe

    My question: are there too many coincidences here? For my part, I am particularly interested in the early years as being genuine coincidences - coincidences that were noted and made Oswald a target of certain people.

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