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Post by James K. Olmstead on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 5:35 am

Years ago when John Armstrong was first presenting the basics of his "Harvey and Lee" research, I found some of the considerations he presented, were of interest, based on some of the work Jack White was presenting and discussing on the internet dealing with the two Oswald theory.  When Armstrong was pushed in those days, the first conflict that was of interest was 'Who was running this show', now I see that the work is being presented as a "CIA Oswald Project". I have yet to see any documented support or evidence in support of such claims by Armstrong or his supporters.

Is there any actual physical documentation or evidence beyond speculation that
such a project was of interest to a newly formed CIA at the time this project started?

I wish I would have saved some of those early exchanges, but like many I felt this work would soon fall to the wayside, like so many other CT's. Some of
the valid conflicts in testimony or in filling out various forms remain of interest to many and they should be if we want to fully understand the historical aspects of considering "Two Oswald's", regardless of the project name or the organization behind the operation. However, within the structure of understanding the law and intelligence operations there are several key legal factors that can not be ignored.

I do not feel the volume of conflicts within the documented record support the overall
premise of any "Oswald Project" run by any department of agency of the USG.  Have
procedures in historical research changed since I've been away?

 The basic consideration presented in the past was the project was created for the establishing a name and military service record of a 12 year old "Harvey", to be used "however" in the future by the organization behind the project.

The whole process of doing this has not been presented by Armstrong or his supporters in any manner that follows as a normal procedure for such a project,
within the framework of any intelligence operational project, either considered or
in place.

Has this "Oswald Project" been outlined showing the basic considerations of the planning and operational support of such a project?

At the time of Lee Harvey Oswald enlistment there was the legal framework for doing exactly what they wanted without the need for a "second" Oswald.  Under Title 10 of the USC is a chapter on Enlistments. Within that chapter there is the proceedure for the enlistment of a 14 year old boy in the military. 

Although I don't have the old newsgroup postings I still have some of my notes from back in the 90's

Title 10 USC (this deals with the Military)

Section 5535. Evidence of age required for certain enlistments of minors.

 At the time of Oswald's enlistment there were three main elements of enlistment concerning age, that are of note to consider.
1. Birth Certificate
2. A verified written statement by either parent; or
3. A verified written statement by his legal guardian.

But there is a big "However" that throws the basic foundation of the Harvey and Lee conspiracy out the window.  The law allows for the enlistment "if the recruiting officer is convinced that the oath of the applicant as to his age is credible."

So there is no need to have another to mirror the individuals enlistment to prove any "cover".  They only had to enlist the individual at age 14 or after.  So why create such
a elaborate project to do a simple legal task?

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Post by greg parker on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 9:17 am

Jim,

moved this to the Harvey and Lee forum.

I think I remember the posts you are talking about. A youth army cadet type thing that was proposed and then buried?

As for the purpose of the so-called Oswald Project, what you outline may have been the thinking at some stage - not sure - but these days, the Project itself is said to have included a 12 year old Russian speaking refugee having his background merged with the historical Lee Oswald with the eventual aim of getting the Russian speaker into the Soviet Union as a false defector. 

Our current expert on this alleged project, Dr. Norwood, may have slightly different opinions on some aspects than Armstrong and his followers.

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Post by barto on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 7:27 pm

Malcolm Blunt was heavily involved with the research on The Oswald Project, until it was called Harvey and Lee after which they fell out and did not speak to each other for a year.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 9:35 pm

barto wrote:Malcolm Blunt was heavily involved with the research on The Oswald Project, until it was called Harvey and Lee after which they fell out and did not speak to each other for a year.
I've heard of similar fallings out over different aspects of it.

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Post by James K. Olmstead on Wed 29 Nov 2017, 1:30 am

Sorry didn't see the separate forum for H&L threads.

The section of law I mentioned was law at the time of LHO's enlistment.  The Navy had several "Cabin Boy"
laws for orphans and such who needed to join the service for whatever reason. The most famous use was Audrey Murphy who turned out a hero in WWII.

The 12 year old Hungarian is the same kid I guess but Armstrong's foundation remains just as weak as it did
years ago.....jko

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Post by greg parker on Wed 29 Nov 2017, 8:20 am

James K. Olmstead wrote:Sorry didn't see the separate forum for H&L threads.

The section of law I mentioned was law at the time of LHO's enlistment.  The Navy had several "Cabin Boy"
laws for orphans and such who needed to join the service for whatever reason. The most famous use was Audrey Murphy who turned out a hero in WWII.

The 12 year old Hungarian is the same kid I guess but Armstrong's foundation remains just as weak as it did
years ago.....jko
Ah, okay. Thanks. I was thinking of something else. 

Yes, the 12 year old Hungarian who spoke Russian and English like he was native of both countries. A very special kid.

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