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Re: Texas Theatre Theatrics

Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 11:37 am

Texas theatre arrest.

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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 5:35 am

Thanks Mick n Bart, those are beneficial to understanding the theatrical release by the Warren Commission.
Complete bollocks, every alibi is used against him.
Only in Texas '63 can you be innocent and murdered.
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Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 23 Jun 2018, 10:28 am

Quite so Ed,


Here we had a man - a suspect for murder. We know he had claimed his innocence it's in the record on film captured by various news outlets.

One could imagine since he had claimed his innocence that the suspect would have supplied an alibi, which I'm sure he'd done 100%. It would make no sense whatsoever that you claim innocence and not provide an alibi.

As near as I can tell, they had not a shred of solid concrete evidence on Friday afternoon into the evening that tied him to the murders that day.

As early as 4.00pm on that Friday there is anecdotal evidence suggesting Washington had made up its mind about Oswald and that he was the man.

As near as I can tell no other serious efforts were made that Friday evening and beyond to see whether his claims were either true or if others had been involved.

Planted evidence, suburban informants and a lazy corrupt inept Dallas police force allowed for this perfect storm in creating the patsy Oswald. IMO.

Texas theatre was no different. Mr Brewer assisted in the arrest of the innocent Lee Oswald either wittingly or unwittingly. It doesn't matter either way the net result was much the same.

My 2 pence.
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Post by Stan Dane on Sat 23 Jun 2018, 5:18 pm

Mick Purdy wrote:As near as I can tell no other serious efforts were made that Friday evening and beyond to see whether his claims were either true or if others had been involved.

Planted evidence, suburban informants and a lazy corrupt inept Dallas police force allowed for this perfect storm in creating the patsy Oswald. IMO.

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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Sun 24 Jun 2018, 3:27 am

Rokcing it Stan!
Truth is out.
DPD and Wade were only ones guilty at the midnight press conference.
Oswald needs justice, May needs justice, others too.
Cup of justice for all.
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Re: Texas Theatre Theatrics

Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 24 Jun 2018, 9:13 am

Stan Dane wrote:
Mick Purdy wrote:As near as I can tell no other serious efforts were made that Friday evening and beyond to see whether his claims were either true or if others had been involved.

Planted evidence, suburban informants and a lazy corrupt inept Dallas police force allowed for this perfect storm in creating the patsy Oswald. IMO.

Spot on Stan, beautifully put together. All we need to know right there. Excellent mate.
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Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 24 Jun 2018, 9:15 am

Cliff Carter call x 3 to Wade Friday evening sealed the deal. He did the rest, along with his buddies in Fritz and Decker.
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Re: Texas Theatre Theatrics

Post by barto on Sun 24 Jun 2018, 10:38 am

Stan Dane wrote:
Mick Purdy wrote:As near as I can tell no other serious efforts were made that Friday evening and beyond to see whether his claims were either true or if others had been involved.

Planted evidence, suburban informants and a lazy corrupt inept Dallas police force allowed for this perfect storm in creating the patsy Oswald. IMO.


I loved it as well, nicely put together Stan. Kudos.
Only thing I missed is Rose's prepared statement and puling his gun on Adams....that DPD classic deserved to be in there.

Read the following extract from the director Errol Morris’ web page.
Gus Rose walked in. He had a confession there he wanted me to sign. He said that I would sign it. He didn't give a damn what I said - I would sign this piece of paper he's got. I told him I couldn't. You know, "I don't know what the hell you people expect of me, but there's no way I could sign that." He left; he came back in ten minutes, and threw a pistol on the table. Asked me to look at it, which I did. I looked. He asked me to pick it up, I told him "No." I wouldn't do that. He threatened me. Again I told him "no."
He pulled his service revolver on me. We looked at each other for...to me it seemed hours. I do not like looking down the barrel of a pistol. I do not like being threatened. When he finally saw the he would either have to kill me or forget the signature, I guess he forgot the signature because he put his pistol up. He took the pistol on the table, put it up and stormed out.

Gus Rose
I had what I call a casual, friendly conversation with him to start with, to try to size him up, to see what he liked and what he didn't like. And I found almost immediately that he didn't have very much conscience, that what...anything he had done it never really bothered him. He had done other things that he told me about that didn't seem to bother him in the least.

Jackie Johnson
He showed no expression whatsoever. It's just like he's sitting here talking about the colour of this wall or the shooting of the police officer. He showed no reaction to any of the questions.

Gus Rose
He, of course, almost overacted his innocence: he protested he hadn't done anything, couldn't imagine why we were bringing him in. He didn't fight or he didn't resist. He just protested his innocence.

Randall Adams
I, of course, told them what happened that Saturday that I had met this kid. I kept telling them the same thing, the same thing, the same thing...They didn't want to believe me.

Never once was I allowed a phone call. Never once was an attorney there.

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Post by Goban Saor on Sun 24 Jun 2018, 8:54 pm

Nice work, Stan.

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Post by Vinny on Sun 24 Jun 2018, 10:24 pm

Great documentary,Stan.

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Post by BC_II on Fri 29 Jun 2018, 5:39 am

Amazing work Stan. Thank you.

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Re: Texas Theatre Theatrics

Post by Mick Purdy on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 10:49 am

Astoundingly the only mention of the balcony at the Texas theatre in the WC testimony and statements to authorities from Brewer, Postal and Burroughs is in relation to Brewer allegedly claiming he checked up there (the balcony) and couldn't "see him". Burroughs in his in a one sentence reply to questioning from his WC testimony eludes briefly to the fact "the man" could've ducked in and went straight up the stairs.

Not Brewer, Postal or Burroughs ever claimed officially at least a man was hiding up in the balcony. Not once. Postal in her various statements never mentions the balcony as a location for the suspect. In her WC statement she gives details about the call she had made to the DPD about the man running from police and ducking into the theatre. Again no mention of the balcony is made.

The police radio log however shows us that whoever had made that call to police about a suspect in the Texas Theatre made it clear the suspect was supposed to be hiding in the balcony.


Butch Burroughs is really the only person whom publicly post Texas theatre arrest eluded to the suspect hiding in the balcony.

Who did make the call to police? Postal? Or did Burroughs offer the DPD dispatch a far greater reason to storm the theatre


1:44Dispatcher10-4. 1:44.550/2 (Sergeant Gerald L. Hill)No, that wasn't the right one. (1:44 p.m.)
 392. . . available for assignment.DispatcherAnybody at Elm and Houston?
 Dispatcher10-4.297 (Three-wheel motorcycle, operator unknown)10-4.
  (Tape splice)Dispatcher297, contact 9 and notify him they are holding up a north-bound freight train there in the yard and they want to shake it down before they let it go. Do you want to send some officers over there to shake it down?
 87 (Ptm. R.C. Nelson)87. What was the last location anybody had on that suspect out here in Oak Cliff?297 (three-wheel motorcycle, operator unknown)10-4.
 DispatcherRunning north on Patton.551 (Sergeant H.H. Stringer)The jacket the suspect was wearing over here on Jefferson bears a laundry tag with the letter B 9738. See if there is any way you can check this laundry tag.
 222 (Ptm. V.R. Nolan)222 clear.138 (Patrolman D.L. Jackson)We need a Justice of the Peace at Parkland Hospital, Code 3.
 Dispatcher222 clear.Dispatcher10-4.
 232/2 (Ptm. A.E. Garrison)232/2. (Garbled)
 DispatcherCar 2.550/2 (Sergeant Gerald L. Hill)Advise someone to get in the alley and behind that building at the fire escape.
 232/2I just run an emergency escort out here to Love Field. I'm clear now.Dispatcher5, an aide to the Vice President by the name of Minesport will arrive at Southwest Airmotive at 2:05 and will you also advise Secret Service.
 Dispatcher10-4.5 (Deputy Chief George L. Lumpkin)All right.
 252 (Ptm. F.T. Chance)252.39 (In sergeant's car)39 a half.
 Dispatcher252.DispatcherGo ahead.
 252Would you check though Austin on H (Henry) S (Sam) 1877 and get registration on it, please? The car is parked out here at this shooting which took place regarding the President.3939 is in front of me stationed right across the airstrip from me right in front of Southwest Airmotive. What have you got? (Garbled)
 65 (Ptm. W.A. Everett)65 clear.  
 252 (Ptm. F.T. Chance)252.  
 Dispatcher19.  
 252252.  
 Dispatcher19.  
 Dispatcher252.  
 252Did you receive the license number?  
 DispatcherNo, give it to us again.  
 252H (Henry) S (Sam) 1877, Texas 1963.  
 Dispatcher10-4.  
 79 (Ptm. B.N. Arglin)79.  
 Dispatcher79.  
 79 (Ptm. B.N. Arglin)I'm here at 19's location. Any message for him?  
 Dispatcher10-4. We have information that a suspect just went in the Texas Theater on West Jefferson.  
 7910-4.  
 DispatcherSupposed to be hiding in the balcony.  
 7910-4.  
 85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)85 out that way.  
 Dispatcher10-4.  
 65 (Ptm. W.A. Everett)65 clear.  
1:46Dispatcher65 clear. 1:46.  
 111 (Ptm. J.G. Pollard)111 en route.  
 Dispatcher10-4. 111.  
 76 (Ptm. H.H. Horn)76, Code 5.  
 Dispatcher10-4.  
 9 (Insp. J.H. Sawyer)9.  
 Dispatcher9.  
 9 (Insp. J.H. Sawyer)9. We have a man we would like to have you pass this up on to the CID to see if we can pick this man up. Charles Douglas Givens, G-I-V-E-N-S. He's a colored male, thirty-seven, six foot three, a hundred sixty-five pounds. He has an ID number in the Sheriff's Department, 37954. He's a porter that worked on this floor up here. He has a police record and he left.  
 492 (CID)492, out Texas Theater.  
 Dispatcher10-4, 9.  
 550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)550/2.  
 Dispatcher550/2.  
 550/2Do you have any additional information on this Oak Cliff suspect?  
 492 (CID)492, out Texas Theater.  
 Dispatcher10-4.  
 DispatcherThey think he is at Texas Theater, 550/2.  
 508 (Crime Lab/ W.E. Barnes)508.  
  . . . meet (?)  
 Dispatcher85 at Texas Theater, 550/2.  
 550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)10-4.  
 DispatcherIn the balcony.  
 Dispatcher241.  
 241 (Ptm. J.P. Hollingsworth)Go ahead.  
 DispatcherDid you make that pickup at the Sheraton?  
 241No, I couldn't find him. He's not at the front; he's not on the side; and he's not on the third floor.  
 Dispatcher. . . work right there (?).  
 108 (unknown)108.  
 Dispatcher108.  
 108I brought him out here myself. I'm at Parkland. Going back to the communications center.  
 Dispatcher10-4. 241, you're clear.  
 508 (Crime Lab/ W.E. Barnes)508.  
 Dispatcher508.  
 508Notify our office to send us more slides and I need additional . . . bulb crack . . . metallic kits, extra metallic kits. Bring to the sixth floor down here at Houston and Elm.  
 DispatcherAn additional metallic -- what was that?  
 508Metallic kit.  
 Dispatcher10-4.  
 Dispatcher. . . en route to Texas Theater. Have someone cover off the rear of the theater at the fire escape.  
 211 (Ptm. R. Hawkins)211.  
 99 (Ptm. S.E. Norman)99.  
 Dispatcher211.  
 211 (Ptm. R. Hawkins)211. There's about five squads back here with me now.  
1:48Dispatcher10-4. 1:48.  
 Dispatcher48 (?). For your information 757 Parkhurst. 1:48.  
 48 (?) (Ptm. A.D. Duncan)757 Parkhurst?  
 DispatcherYes.  
 99 (Ptm. S.E. Norman)99.  
 Dispatcher99.  
 99I'm in my car. Where do you want me to go?  
 26 (Ptm. G.W. Hammond)26.  
 DispatcherStandby, 99.  
 Dispatcher15.  
 15 (Capt. C.E. Talbert)15.  
 DispatcherDo you want 99?  
 15No, send him to the Texas Theater, if they don't need him down at the book bindery.  
 DispatcherTexas Theater on West Jefferson, 99.  
 29 (Ptm. J.M. Williams)29.  
 Dispatcher29.  
 29About two blocks away.  
 Dispatcher10-4. Handle assignment.  
 Dispatcher99, report to the book depository at Elm and Houston.  
 99 (Ptm. S.E. Norman)10-4.  
 397 (CID)397.  
 19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens)19.  
 Dispatcher19.  
 1915 and some squads are going to the Texas Theater. I remain here at the scene.  
 Dispatcher10-4.  
 Dispatcher41.
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Post by Jake Sykes on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 10:49 pm

The story is a disjointed mess Mick. It had to be Burroughs, either making the call or telling Postal what to say while she was on the phone perhaps. 

What is so flaming difficult about allowing people to repeat what people saw and did at the time when giving their testimony at the Commission? I think it's because it had to go through the WC meat grinder before they could make sausage out of the pig that was what really happened.

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Post by Jake Sykes on Sat 30 Jun 2018, 11:38 pm

Reading Barto's exchange with Hargrave on EF about the ridiculous two Oswalds theory. Totally agree with Barto of course. 

Hargrave stated a dozen people heard Oswald say he took the bus, so it set me to speculate on Oswald's ride to the theater. Given that Oswald was an operative and well trained in it he was obviously given a ride. He may also have been given the torn card (per Greg's writings) and the bus ticket. Instructions would have been to make contact in the theater using the torn card and if anything happens, then you got there on the bus. Here's the ticket and we'll get you out.

There probably was a double involved as a matter of standard tradecraft in bolstering a cover story (but in this case confirming the set-up for the patsy). That is also how they could get the taxi driver into the story.

This explains how he might have actually said he was on the bus when he wasn't on it at all. Later of course comes his realization that he has been made a patsy.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 10:36 am

Thanks Jake,

It's funny isn't it. We know Oswald was in the theatre as a fact, and we know he was at the TSBD at least until 12:40-12:50pm as near to a fact as we can tell. So really it's just the matter of Oswald's conveyance which is at issue.

Here at ROKC we know he did not take the silly route proposed by the authorities. 

Could it be that simple that he merely walked on down to the intersection of Houston and Elm and caught the Beckley bus? Might be!
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Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 10:40 am

I wonder too how many phone lines were in the theatre and whom had access to them.
And where was Callahan really? Chasing cop cars?
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Post by steely dan on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 11:09 am

Mick Purdy wrote:I wonder too how many phone lines were in the theatre and whom had access to them.
And where was Callahan really? Chasing cop cars?
"Anonymous tip-off". Postal is another patsy. There's enough leverage to get her to own the call.
Had Callahan followed the police just a little further he would have got about 50 yards before doing a U-turn.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 11:33 am

Had Callahan followed the police just a little further he would have got about 50 yards before doing a U-turn.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Sun 01 Jul 2018, 11:41 am

Someone called in about a man hiding in the balcony of the Texas theatre, I think that's a given. My guess it wasn't Postal. She may have made a call to police but in my opinion it was not about a man hiding in the balcony.

There were reports of a man with a shotgun entering the Texas theatre. Much more likely to get the response of the tsunami of cops who surrounded the theatre than the alleged call from Postal about some concern of a patron who had not purchased a ticket as he had entered the theatre.

Where was Callahan? He had left just prior to the party starting or so said Postal. Coincidence?
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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Tue 03 Jul 2018, 1:49 pm

IKR, doesn't every unknown yet known movie jumper just have to be involved with the presidents shooting?
Postal thought so ... never doubt 'womens intuition'
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Post by Mick Purdy on Tue 03 Jul 2018, 2:12 pm

never doubt 'womens intuition'


Never would Ed, no not ever.


Her Assassins finder radar was in fine tune that day however.


She frantically reported to police about not seeing a man enter the Theatre, about not seeing a person not buying a ticket and not witnessing a man sneaking and ducking into the theatre, along with not seeing anyone hiding in the balcony. 


Yep she witnessed so much.
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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Tue 10 Jul 2018, 11:48 am

That's what a non-witness can provide Mick.
Hearsay, she saw nothing and yet relays information we know time wise is suspect. Not to mention if Brewer was behind that curtain, why it took him so long to point out Oswald.... Because he never did, Brewer fit the bill to cover for losing Tippit's killer.
He got the job of covering for an anonymous tipster in the seats near the front.
The lack of additional charges during the arrest speaks volumes about its accurate portrayal.
The theater drama was a tragedy and a comedy of errors.
Bart I really like the page of what they would testify to.
We can compare this to their commission testimony and statements.
... Or just pictures of their exiting the theater.
Their stories are not supportive.
That page is a wish list.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Tue 10 Jul 2018, 3:06 pm

It seems very much like less was more when it came to who the DPD would use as their key witnesses.

Markham, Postal, Frazier, Brewer, Linnie Mae, wow what a team.
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