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Breck Wall

Post by Guest on Thu 26 Jan 2012, 11:16 pm

Greg (and others)

Ever done any research into Breck Wall? I was reading an interesting thread on Lancer a few weeks ago that dealt with him as a suspect in the assassination planning and started to have a little look around for info on him.

During a Jim Garrison Conference that he held with Richard Sprague he claimed that Breck Wall, when acquiring his business in 1961, put down three references.

1. His "step-father" Thomas McKenna

2. Forrest Windell

3. Earl Cabell

So in addition to his friendship with Jack Ruby (the phone calls between them after the assassination), Wall's trip to Galveston on the 23rd of November, we also have a connection to Earl Cabell.

Interesting guy...

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Re: Breck Wall

Post by greg parker on Sat 28 Jan 2012, 11:20 pm

Lee,

this is just a copy and paste of a 2001 post I made at McAdams' newsgroup:

Reports into Breck's background were obtained from
informants identified only as T1, T2 and T3.

T1 stated that Breck "had been known to their files since
August of 1959". T1 was identified in another DPD file as a
homosexual whose information was regarded as reliable. The
reference here makes me think he was with the FBI, and was
possibly being blackmailed by the DPD for information due to
his sexual preference. There is however, mention in another
file of an informant who operated as a private
investigator...regardless, the question is WHY was Breck
"known to their files"? Apart from a few traffic
infringements, he had a clean record.

All three informants gave similar accounts... Breck lived at
the Adolphus Hotel (although not stated, it was opposite the
Carousel), he was co-owner of the Playbill nightspot from
'59 to '61, and that he produced a show called "Bottoms Up"
(which he is STILL producing in Vegas!!!) in the Burgandy
Room of the Adolphus.

In September, '61, the Playbill went into involuntary
bankrupsy. At this time, the club and assets were
transferred to the creditors to satisfy the indebtedness.
Then, despite a poor credit history AND being the treasurer
of the Playbill, Breck was allowed to take over the
operation of the club and do business as Playbill Cabaret
and Co. At that time, he supplied personal references from:
Thomas J McKenna, Forest Windell... and... Earl Cabell.

All I can find about Thomas J McKenna is that he was closely
associated with Layton Martens. No information on Forest
Windell, but we all know who Earl is...
Ruby's association with the Adolphus goes back a little
further... an 11apr56 reports states:

<quote on>
Jack Ruby, well known nightclub operator has been pimping
two unknown white females. He has been making dates for
these women from the Royal Grill after 12 midnight. On
several occasions recently, he has brought these two women
in[to] the grill and has made some dates for them with
patrons of the grill. He has rented rooms for these women at
the Adolphus Hotel and dates are filled there [how
quaint!!!].

Informant stated that Ralph Prestridge is connected in some
way with Jack Ruby on this operation. Have not been able to
get the connection between these two men. Informant has been
unable to find out names of these two women. Only descrition
available is that they are very attractive and in their
early twenties.
<quote off>

Joseph Campesi was questioned about Prestridge by the HSCA
as to whether Ruby had asked to see Prestridge during Ruby's
trial. He replied that he knew a kid named Ralph Presley,
and this managed to divert attention from the question...
which was not asked again... or answered. Later he is asked
if he had any INDICATION if Ruby and Prestridge knew each
other or were associated in any kind of busisess. But that
is NOT the same question, and his reply was "No, sir."
Finally admitting that he was probably mistaken and that
Prestridge was in fact the name of the person he knew, he
was then asked how they met. His reply was that Prestridge
was the nephew of Loyce Green whom he had known all his
life.

Only reference to Loyce Green I could find was in DEA
Congressional Testimony as follows: "In November, 1996, the
Dallas MET deployed to Paris, Texas to investigate two
significant drug trafficking networks controlled by Alfred
Loyce GREEN and Christopher Lakent BURNS, who were engaging
in the distribution of crack cocaine. During January, 1997,
the first phase of the MET deployment to Paris, Texas,
resulted in the execution of 35 arrests and service of four
Federal Search Warrants in Dallas, Clarksville, and Paris,
Texas. This investigative team consisted on DEA, the United
States Marshals Service and a host of State and local law
enforcement agencies. The investigation continued through
April, 1997, resulting in additional arrests to bring the
total number of arrest in this deployment to 37 out of 39
that had been indicted in the Eastern District of Texas."
I do not know if this is the same person, but the name and
location suggest either it is the same man mentioned by
Campesi, or a relative eg son...
greg

The connection I made at that time between McKenna and Martens was based upon the misconception that the PIR website "proximity" page showed actual connections between those "linked". That was not the case. If I recall correctly, it actually just showed names appearing on the same page of various publication.

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Re: Breck Wall

Post by greg parker on Mon 30 Jan 2012, 9:10 am

Tom McKenna's 18 year old son, George, was working on a construction site. Wall stated the site was the Republic National Bank
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=23421

But according to Patrolman Joe Murphy, the truck had come from construction happening at the First National Bank.
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=699059

Is it possible to determine which it was?

The truck was the one seen by Mercer.

The Republican National Bank housed the office of George Mohrenschildt; was the bank favored by CUSA; had the brother of Vince Drain working there and; was the bank which was used by CIA for laundering drug money.

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Re: Breck Wall

Post by greg parker on Mon 30 Jan 2012, 12:47 pm

greg parker wrote:Tom McKenna's 18 year old son, George, was working on a construction site. Wall stated the site was the Republic National Bank
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=23421

But according to Patrolman Joe Murphy, the truck had come from construction happening at the First National Bank.
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=699059

Is it possible to determine which it was?

The truck was the one seen by Mercer.

The Republican National Bank housed the office of George Mohrenschildt; was the bank favored by CUSA; had the brother of Vince Drain working there and; was the bank which was used by CIA for laundering drug money.

Okay. I've answered my own question. Wiki has a history of both banks showing both building new homes trying to outdo each other as the tallest.

In short, George McKenna was working construction at the Republic - and the truck had been used at the First National.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Place

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Re: Breck Wall

Post by Guest on Mon 30 Jan 2012, 10:53 pm

Greg,

The reason you couldn't find anything on the "LOYCE GREEN" that is referred to as the Uncle of Ralph Prestridge is because LOYCE GREEN is actually LOIS GREEN.

Do a search for LOIS GREEN on MFF. Lois Green AKA Hollis DeLois Green and the Forty Thieves Gang of Fort Worth. Lois Green was shot to death outside the Sky-Vu club on December 24th, 1949.

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Re: Breck Wall

Post by Guest on Tue 31 Jan 2012, 1:10 am

In relation to the Martens-McKenna connection, Greg, the following documents show that Garrison was making these links. The Garrison probe was looking into a character named D'Mare who had links to Galveston, TX. D'Mare turned out to be Bill DeMar, AKA, William D. Crowe.

Don't know what's going on here but from first glance it looks like they're trying to substitute Breck Wall for DeMar? Thoughts? Haven't looked into it in any detail but it's more likely Wall that went to visit family (Thomas McKenna) in Galveston and met with Ferrie than it was Bill Crowe (DeMar)?

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62423&relPageId=82

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62423&relPageId=83

What is really strange is the fact that the FBI sent some documents to the Warren Commission that were supposed to be related to Thomas McKenna but actually wrote his name as Thomas J. McKeown. An error?

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Re: Breck Wall

Post by greg parker on Tue 31 Jan 2012, 9:04 am

Lee David Farley wrote:Greg,

The reason you couldn't find anything on the "LOYCE GREEN" that is referred to as the Uncle of Ralph Prestridge is because LOYCE GREEN is actually LOIS GREEN.

Do a search for LOIS GREEN on MFF. Lois Green AKA Hollis DeLois Green and the Forty Thieves Gang of Fort Worth. Lois Green was shot to death outside the Sky-Vu club on December 24th, 1949.

A real charmer, apparently.

According to this Texas Monthly article, he used to bury some of his victims alive.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 31 Jan 2012, 12:29 pm

Lee David Farley wrote:In relation to the Martens-McKenna connection, Greg, the following documents show that Garrison was making these links. The Garrison probe was looking into a character named D'Mare who had links to Galveston, TX. D'Mare turned out to be Bill DeMar, AKA, William D. Crowe.

Don't know what's going on here but from first glance it looks like they're trying to substitute Breck Wall for DeMar? Thoughts? Haven't looked into it in any detail but it's more likely Wall that went to visit family (Thomas McKenna) in Galveston and met with Ferrie than it was Bill Crowe (DeMar)?

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62423&relPageId=82

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62423&relPageId=83

My guess is that some confusion arose because of both being in "showbiz" and DeMar being a hypnotist same as with Ferrie (who also suffered the indignity of having his name misspelled very early on as "Farry" and "Farris" IIRC)

You wouldn't know that from reading his testimony, though. His act was "sanitized" - I believe in order to avoid speculation. Fact is, he was more than an MC and comic ventriloquist who also did "a memory trick". He was described PRIOR to the assassination as a hypnotist and mentalist - and even post-assassination, some newspapers let that slip.

"in particular, said the musician [Bill Willis] a newspaper reporter had done a story about hypnotist-mentalist, Bill DeMar's feeling he may have seen Oswald in the Carousel Club..."
https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=685999

I heard of a guy here in Australia - an amateur magician (very amateur cough cough splutter Wink ) - who once got in touch with DeMar asking for advice on expanding into stage hypnotism - and got a reply confirming it USED to be part of his (DeMar's) act...

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