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    Oswald Mexican tourist visa

    on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 7:28 am
    Quick question. Anyone know the date Oswald applied for his Mexican tourist visa? This would have been in New Orleans, prob sometime in September 1963.
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    Re: Oswald Mexican tourist visa

    on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 9:02 am
    orangebicycle wrote:Quick question. Anyone know the date Oswald applied for his Mexican tourist visa? This would have been in New Orleans, prob sometime in September 1963.
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    Re: Oswald Mexican tourist visa

    on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 12:21 pm
    FWIW, here's the entry for September 17, 1963 in Walt Brown's Chronology:
    Lee Oswald appeared at the Mexican Consulate to secure a visa for a tourist visit to Mexico City. According to the published documentation in the Warren volumes, "On November 23, 1963, T-1, a confidential source abroad, advised that the official records of the Mexican government reflected that one Lee, Harvey Oswald had entered Mexico on September 26, 1963, and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, and had departed Mexico at the same place on October 3, 1963."
    "On November 24, 1963, source made available a copy of the Mexican form FM-8 (tourist card) used for the entry of this person into Mexico. The FM-8 is reproduced on the following page."
    "The FM-8 bears No. 24085 and was issued on September 17, 1963, by the Mexican Consulate General in New Orleans, Louisiana. As noted above, it was issued in the name of Lee, Harvey Oswald. It would appear that the comma was placed on the card in error inasmuch as the signature appearing on the original and duplicate portions of the FM-8 is Lee H. Oswald.
    Oswald listed his profession as "photographer," stated that he was 23 years of age and married, and presented a birth certificate as proof of his citizenship.
    The FM-8 was valid for a single journey to Mexico for a period of fifteen days." (CE 2121—Continued, 24H 571)
    The FBI report is notable for its total lack of any file reference number—essentially meaning that it was written with the intent of it going nowhere.
    Points of emphasis: First and foremost, the FBI is treating the public like imbeciles to ask anyone to believe that they had an international informant, "T-1," (out of possibly thousands) who furnished this specific information. If there was, in fact, a T-1, it would suggest that person's assignment was "Oswald's shadow," and nothing else.
    Secondly, the use of "Oswald's" birth certificate is a serious anomaly, as no such document has ever been known to exist, and none was found following a thorough search of Oswald's belongings—so thorough in fact, that it included inventoried items such as paper clip and rubber band—but no birth certificate.
    The explanation of the typographical comma seems plausible, except that subsequent documentation is quite clear that the person who entered Mexico was No. 807, Harvey Oswald Lee, FM-8 No. 24085, issued by Mexican Consulate General, New Orleans, Louisiana, September 17, 1963. (CE 2121—Continued, 24H 581)
    The record is also—perhaps intentionally so—deficient with respect to the reasons FOR Oswald's visit. At the time he made application on September 17, he indicated he was a photographer, and his address as 640 Rampart Street. While it is not known to the editor or to the cited source as to what, if anything existed there in 1963, the Louisiana Weekly, a newspaper with black readership, was located at 640 South Rampart Street. (John F. "Jay" Harrison Genealogical Archives)
    Footnote: Here is yet another example of "Oswald," the person who cannot maintain employment as a coffee-machine greaser, being politically knowledgeable enough to know that Cuba was making a huge and significant outreach to Third World nations, and one such outreach involved invitations to African journalists who could view the Cuban Revolution for themselves.
    It is no coincidence that Oswald inserted himself into this "niche" and took this pose, although there is no known evidence that he represented himself as a photographer for a black newspaper once the 15-day Mexico visit card was issued.
    It is unlikely that Oswald stumbled onto these "causes" by himself—the Clinton—Jackson voter event; the "Hands Off Cuba" posture; this specific pose.
    He was being set up by forces far greater than he.
    And he was plucked like a Thanksgiving turkey, one week before Thanksgiving, on November 22, 1963.
    Finally, it has to be noted that the tourist visa issued immediately prior to Oswald's went to William Gaudet, a CIA operative who maintained an office in the International Trade Mart, and "observed" the leaflet fracas on August 9, 1963 (see entry).
    It is extremely curious that his tourist card immediately preceded Oswald's, as anyone searching the day's roster would look for entries after Oswald to see who else went along. But no matter—when the FBI turned over the appropriate (if that is the right term) documentation to the Warren Commission, they stated, "No record of FM-8 No. 24084 located," which, as John Armstrong noted, "was an outright lie." (John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee: How the CIA Framed Oswald, pp. 595-596)
    Armstrong also added that when FBI records were declassified in 1975, the name of William George Gaudet, known to Banister, Ferrie, et al, was clearly listed alongside FM-8 No. 24084, making the FBI's statement an egregious lie, not a simple mistake, both of which the FBI/ CIA is prone to.
    Gaudet, according to Armstrong, told the HSCA that the event was pure coincidence, yet told the House Select Committee that he knew of connections between Oswald and the New Orleans "suspects": "Yes, I observed Banister talking to LHO in front of the International Trade Mart… I saw him (Banister) in deep conversation with Lee Harvey Oswald on Camp Street right by the post office. They were leaning over and talking and it was an earnest conversation…. It seemed to me Banister wanted Oswald to do something… I suppose you are looking into Ferrie. He was with Oswald…. Another person is Sergio Arcacha Smith. I know he knew Oswald and knows more about the Kennedy affair than he ever admitted (1) [or the Warren Commission ever asked…]." (John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee: How the CIA Framed Oswald, p. 596)
    The other obvious anomaly is that Armstrong reports the possibility that Lee Oswald was in New York City with Ruth Paine from September 16 to 23, and therefore could not have been in the Mexican Consulate on September 17.
    The Ruth Paine/ New York story relies on the hearsay evidence of a self-styled undercover agent who cited Michael and Ruth Paine as equal undercover agents and Oswald's "baby sitter."
    As for the time duration, we do not know where, exactly, Ruth Paine was, as she had left Naushon Island in August, and did not make an obvious appearance until the end of this cited time frame, when she arrived in New Orleans to take Marina back to Irving, Texas, in order for her to have inexpensive medical care for the birth of her second child. (John Armstrong, Harvey and Lee: How the CIA Framed Oswald, p. 597)
    Note: This possibility is also either challenged or strengthened, depending on one's belief as to the "Two Oswalds" by the September 19, 1963 "library" entry. "Lee Oswald" could not have taken books out of the New Orleans Public Library on that date if he was in New York City.
    Beyond that, the entire event is a misunderstanding, date-wise, because Lee Oswald—whoever he was—did not leave for Mexico until September 25, and all related events are in relation to September 27, not September 17.
    (1) Despite his obvious proximity to every anti-Cuban matter occurring in 1963, Sergio Arcacha Smith, like David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, and Guy Banister—was NOT called by the Warren Commission.
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    Re: Oswald Mexican tourist visa

    on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 6:21 pm
    Muy bueno! Thanks, Stan.
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