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on Sat 31 Aug 2019, 12:32 pm
Clipboard being held by Police Officer on 6th floor TSBD nov 22 1963  Filmed by WFAA cameraman and viewed by Richard Sprague in 1967.  Film held at Grinburg Library (ABC) New York. Sprague advises RFK. (FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 147) 

FBI SA Pinkston ordered to conduct unspecified "investigation" at TSBD SA Pinkston arrives at TSBD after being ordered there for an "investigation". 

Clipboard allegedly found by Frankie Kaiser Clipboard allegedly found by Frankie Kaiser on 6th floor on same day as Pinkson "investigation". Pinkston does not take possession while he is there.

Charles Givens makes statement to Secret Service Givens gives statement to Secret Service contradicting earlier statements - this time advising he saw Oswald at 11:45am on 6th floor carrying a clipboard prior to breaking for lunch (CD 87 p 491) 

Ball-Belin joint report Report outlining evidence to date notes major discrepancies in various statements made by Givens.

Clipboard given to FBI by Kaiser FBI takes possession of clipboard from Kaiser (FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 51) 

Clipboard sent to FBI lab Clipboard sent to FBI lab for handwriting analysis (FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 107)

FBI lab finalizes handwriting analysis of clipboard FBI finalizes handwriting analysis of clipboard. Result - handwriting too limited for an adequate comparison with known writing of Oswald (FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 142). Note that Pinkston testifies the item has "quite a bit of scribbling on it." 

WC testimony of Roy Truly  Roy Truly testifies that a clipboard was found by Frankie Kaiser with 2 or 3 orders on it - that Kaiser took the clipboard to Bill Shelley. Truly believed this was no more than a few days after the assassination because someone would have instigated a search for the missing orders by then (it was actually 10 days after). Shelley took the clipboard to Truly. Does not mention Pinkston coming that day - only that at some point a government agency  "either got the clipboard or looked at it". 

WC testimony of Bill Shelley Bill Shelley testifies that a clipboard was found by Frankie Kaiser. After Kaiser points it out to him, he advises SA Pinkston, who is in the building already, and he, Pinkston and Kaiser go and retrieve it. Shelley refuses to confirm that the clipboard was not used by anyone other than Oswald, and that no one but Oswald could have been filling the orders clipped to it.)

WC testimony of Frankie Kaiser Kaiser testifies that he found the clipboard about a week after returning to work on 25 Nov while searching for stock on the 6th floor. Advises he went to get Shelley, and then had an FBI man standing beside him. Claims not to have touched it at that time.

WC testimony of SA Nat Pinkston Pinkston testifies he was ordered to conduct an investigation at the TSBD on the 2nd Dec 1963 - the purpose of which is not discussed. He is waiting to see Roy Truly when Frankie Kaiser comes down stairs and advises him of the clipboard. They go upstairs to retrieve it. No mention made of Shelley. States Kaiser told him that it is the clipboard he made and had given to Oswald. Examination of the clipboard revealed some orders are attached and that it has quite a bit of "scribbling" on it. Pinkston notes the info on the orders and turned the orders over to Roy Truly before turning the clipboard over to his office as an exhibit - a statement he came back and corrects later in the day advising that his records actually show that he did not take the clipboard, but that it had been picked up by another agent at a later date. In fact, it took a little over three months for the FBI to claim this evidence - with the WC beginning to call its witnesses only 2 weeks after that. 

National Review published David Belin attack on book by Robert Sam Anson William F Buckley's National Review publishes David Belin's attack on Robert Sam Anson's book "They've Killed the President!" Defends charges that the WC influenced Givens' dramatic departure from his original story by saying that he was not acting as a prosecutor or defense attorney but as an independent investigator, and that his questioning of Givens included such questions as "Anything else you can think of?" Which is hardly a way for an "independent investigator" to find out why someone's story changed a number of times prior to testimony. It is obvious that the WC only confronted witnesses with previous contradictory statements when such contradictions could somehow be innocently explained. 

Conclusions 

  • The clipboard was found on the 6th floor by the cops on day 1.
  • It did not belong to Oswald.
  • It was later decided that this clipboard had to be put into Oswald's hands so he could be positively placed on the 6th floor.
  • With the above in mind, it had to be "refound" up on the 6th.
  • The last step was to get Givens into changing his story so that he could place that clipboard in Oswald's hands on the 6th.

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on Sat 31 Aug 2019, 7:14 pm
Good show Greg

Has Kaiser's name on it even.

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on Sat 31 Aug 2019, 7:42 pm
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on Sat 31 Aug 2019, 7:53 pm
Clipboard's By Frankie Kaiser

was this guy touched in the head or what.

Please note the weird addition equations everywhere, simple math, yet Frakie needs to work 16+ 16 =32 out on paper... really

He has to tell everyone this is:
FRANKIE KAISER'S
CLIP BOARD

Some written cursive is available for handwriting analysis
and the printing could be compared to Kleins order form for similarities


Ill post examples of all these
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on Sun 01 Sep 2019, 10:30 am
Nice job Ed. Yes, more info on the Kaiser brothers, inc. would be good. 

It occurs to me now that the cops may have taken the clipboard as evidence, but then quietly returned it when Oswald was arrested because it had Kaiser's name on it.

Statements made by various people that indicated it belonged to Oswald --

-Kaiser saying that Oswald just started using it so he made himself another one

-Shelley saying that as a newbie, Lee only did the easy Scott Foreman orders (all the orders on this were Scott Foreman)

-Givens testifying that he had seen Lee up on 6 with a clipboard

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Against that, we have no identifiable Oswald writing on it - only Kaiser's. Givens story about seeing Lee up there with it being an addition to his ever evolving account. We also have no fingerprints taken from it that I know of... why would they not fingerprint it? Or if they did, do we know the results?

Was it ever verified that Kaiser was at the dentist that day? Or did he perhaps leave the clipboard up there the day before?

Was it Pinkston who brought the clipboard back on Dec 2 when he was there on an undisclosed "investigation"? He has been on my radar for a while because he was practically living at the TSBD post-assassination and had a very chummy relationship with everyone from Shelley up.

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on Sun 01 Sep 2019, 3:12 pm
Yes thanks for detailed chronology Greg, timelines like Barts interrogations are beneficial to spotting errors ommissions and lies.
This nails Givens to a cross.

Questions:
Were these orders unfillable on 1st floor?
If so, someone would have to pull stock from up on six.... hmmm JD was pulling stock from 5th and 6th floors, yes.
So a likelyhood is JD could have had those orders to pull stock on six. How else did JD know what to pull?
He just knew every book in a seven story warehouse or he had a sheet of paper enumerating them, or these orders.

Or the orders were fillable on 1st floor but somehow the clipboard with those Scott Foresman orders magically was moved up to 6,,,
..along with a rifle perhaps.

Or Lee was using the clipboard borrowed from the Clipboard Master, and Lee went to lunch at 11:50 like everyone else and set it near the skids of SF books on 6th floor, to pull these three orders of a dozen books after lunchtime.

If those orders were it for the day, and sixth floor Scott Foresman orders would logically be last to do,
then leaving due to police sealing off and searching the building you work in is no big loss, it can wait till Monday.
Didnt seem anyone called and yelled at Truly or Shelley for not having these orders out Friday.
Seems all Truly said was they did fill these orders.
That would be after they were inventoried by Nat.
on Dec 2nd when they are found by Frankie.
That seems a long time but Thanksgiving ate into the ten days, so really with weekends and the holiday its 5 work days (if they worked Friday 29th)
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on Mon 09 Sep 2019, 7:45 am
From an interview with Nat Pinkston in 2007


Pinkston: And also a few days after the investigation, and after Oswald was killed, one of the employees of the School Book Depository called me and told me that he had found Oswald’s clipboard, which contained all of the orders that Oswald was supposed to be filling on the morning that he killed Kennedy.
Hollstein: Oh. What do you know?
Pinkston: It had been thrown on the floor close to where the gun was. Now, all of the employees there used homemade clipboards. And each employee had made his own. And all of these
employees said that they could look at this of Oswald’s and swear that it was Oswald’s clipboard. Now the orders on the clipboard were to be filled on the sixth floor on that day. He was the only one who had orders for the sixth floor.
Hollstein: So he was all alone up there.
Pinkston: Yeah.
Hollstein: Um-hmm.
Pinkston: He was the only one up there and the only one that had any business up there.
Hollstein: Quite a time and we’re still reeling from it. And still plenty of theories and people thinking it over, but it seems to have quieted down now. You don’t hear so much about it.
Pinkston: Well, there’s still a lot of comment about it.
Hollstein: Yeah. Yeah. But most of the, you know, the fringe people have been fairly well, you know, people have decided the fringe people aren’t right.
Pinkston: Yeah.
Hollstein: You know, with all of the conspiracy theories and what have you. So, hopefully it’ll go away.

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on Mon 09 Sep 2019, 8:07 am
barto wrote:From an interview with Nat Pinkston in 2007


Pinkston: And also a few days after the investigation, and after Oswald was killed, one of the employees of the School Book Depository called me and told me that he had found Oswald’s clipboard, which contained all of the orders that Oswald was supposed to be filling on the morning that he killed Kennedy.
Hollstein: Oh. What do you know?
Pinkston: It had been thrown on the floor close to where the gun was. Now, all of the employees there used homemade clipboards. And each employee had made his own. And all of these
employees said that they could look at this of Oswald’s and swear that it was Oswald’s clipboard. Now the orders on the clipboard were to be filled on the sixth floor on that day. He was the only one who had orders for the sixth floor.
Hollstein: So he was all alone up there.
Pinkston: Yeah.
Hollstein: Um-hmm.
Pinkston: He was the only one up there and the only one that had any business up there.
Hollstein: Quite a time and we’re still reeling from it. And still plenty of theories and people thinking it over, but it seems to have quieted down now. You don’t hear so much about it.
Pinkston: Well, there’s still a lot of comment about it.
Hollstein: Yeah. Yeah. But most of the, you know, the fringe people have been fairly well, you know, people have decided the fringe people aren’t right.
Pinkston: Yeah.
Hollstein: You know, with all of the conspiracy theories and what have you. So, hopefully it’ll go away.
I have that interview. Lots of good stuff away from the assassination as well.

Pinkston is inadvertently nailing Dougherty here. Because if Oswald was the only filler with business on the the 6th floor, then Dougherty is the one up there for no good reason.

Okay -- and Shorty Norman -- but Shorty was upfront and pretending to be up there working. He was up there "shooting the breeze"... so to speak.

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on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 3:35 am
What stock besides Scott Foresman would Dougherty be "getting" on six....?
As I pointed out, Dougherty would need some instruction or or reason to pull Some Stock and take it downstairs.
How does he know what to pull as a "stocker"
Does he have a list, intuition or sees an empty hole and fills em... the management didnt explain the process as it was too busy discrediting its employee.
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