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Oct 14 1963 Empty Oct 14 1963

on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 10:58 am
From Tracy Parnell's timeline:

October 14, 1963: Ruth drives LHO to Dallas, where he later registers as O.H. Lee at annew rooming house on North Beckley. Later, Ruth mentions to a group of neighbors that LHO is having trouble finding work. One of the ladies, Linnie Mae Randle, mentioned a possible opening at the Texas School Book Depository; and when LHO calls the Paine home that evening, Ruth informs him of the opening.


Now look at this. On that same date, Lee applied for a job at a lumber company on the corner of Maple Ave and Inwood Rd.
Full file: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95616&search="hugh_slough"#relPageId=113&tab=page



Specific page: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95616&relPageId=113&search=lumber

He was unsuccessful because he did not show his discharge from the Marines (for obvious reasons).

From her testimony:
Mrs. PAINE - I do recall now driving him into downtown Dallas because I was already going and it was probably Monday, the 14th of October.
Mr. JENNER - This is the day before his employment began with the Texas School Book Depository?
Mrs. PAINE - It would have been 2 days before, the day before he applied. I have several recollections but which day they attach to is not quite as clear.
I recall taking him to the bus. I recall picking him up at the bus. I recall going in and dropping him off at a corner of Ross Avenue and something else, which was near the employment office.
Mr. JENNER - In downtown Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE - Near the employment office station. I was on my way to get a key fixed on my Russian typewriter which is what was taking me downtown. I hadn't been thinking--I at no time made a purposeful trip just to take him to downtown Dallas, but I was going and he went along and I am pretty sure that was a Monday and he got out at that corner and Marina was with me and we went on to get this typewriter fixed either to pick it up or to leave it. I am quite certain it was the 12th, Saturday, that I picked him up at the station.

Ruth allegedly just dropped him in Ross Ave and left him. The lumber company was 4 miles from Ross Ave and 1026 N. Beckley was 5.5 miles from the lumber company. 

That's nearly 10 miles he would have needed to walk and catch buses.

It's possible, but how likely? Did he carry a bag of clothes and toiletries with him? 
 
Ruth testified that she only took him in because she was taking a typewriter in for repairs.

Seems to me, most people in this situation would drop Lee at the employment office, take the typewriter for the repair, maybe do anything else that needed doing while in town and then go pick Lee up. It was allegedly known he would be going to Oak Cliff after that to look for a new place to stay, so why make the poor bastard walk and bus it?

As it happened, it was even harder for him, having to get to the lumber yard before going to Oak Cliff.

This is really the way she treats him before writing a letter to her mother, telling her, as she put it to the WC:

"I then found him much nicer, I thought, when I saw him next in New Orleans in late September, and this would be a perfectly good time to admit the rest of the pertinent part of this letter to my mother written October 14, because it shows something that I think should be part of the public record, and I am one of the few people who can give it, that presents Lee Oswald as a human person, a person really rather ordinary, not an ogre that was out to leave his wife, and be harsh and hostile to all that he knew. But in this brief period during the times that he came out on weekends, I saw him as a person who cared for his wife and his child, tried to make himself helpful in my home, tried to make himself welcome although he really preferred to stay to himself."

October 14 1963 was a very busy day for this suburban Quaker charity lady.

-Getting a typewriter repaired

-Giving Lee a lift to Dallas

-Having coffee with the neighbors and organizing a job for Lee without even knowing if he got one for himself that day thru the TEC

-Writing a letter full of praise for Lee to her mother.


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Oct 14 1963 Empty Re: Oct 14 1963

on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 2:00 pm
From Walt Brown's Chronology:

October 14, 1963—time unstated, but a.m., CST— Dallas, Texas. Ruth Paine vaguely recalls driving Lee Oswald into Dallas on that date. (Testimony of Ruth Paine, 3H 32)
Note: It is highly likely that Ruth Paine drove Lee Oswald somewhere that day, as he had arrived at the Paine residence on Saturday, October 12, fully aware that Mary Bledsoe no longer desired his presence as a roomer in her home.
He took more than the usual personal items TO the Paine house, and had to then find new lodgings (1026 N. Beckley), deposit his things there, and return to Bledsoe's (621 N. Marsalis) and collect what remained there.
Because his belongings were at Bledsoe's for a week, and because she had no intention of giving him a refund either way, he got no refund.
Subsequent testimony by Ruth Paine is more clear on the event— she recalled driving Lee Oswald into Dallas on a day when she took her typewriter— with Cyrillic [Russian alphabet] keys, into town to get it repaired.
She found the repair tag and the checks she write to the Weaver Office Machines Co. "when we went to pick up the machine" on October 18, so her recollection is clear that she drove Lee Oswald into Dallas on Monday the fourteenth— the beginning of a week in which he would find new living quarters and new employment. (Deposition of Ruth Paine, 9H 428)
 
October 14, 1963—a.m., EST—The White House, Washington, D.C.
Fred Korth, Secretary of the Navy, abruptly resigned amidst growing concerns of the legalities of the contract that he and fellow Texan Lyndon Johnson cooked up for the controversial TFX fighter plane.
"There was general agreement in the Administration that Mr. Korth would 'fit better' in private life [or prison…] than in Washington." (Mark North, Act of Treason: The Role of J. Edgar Hoover in the Assassination of President Kennedy, p. 326)
Note: This happened on a Monday; the previous Monday, LBJ crony Bobby Baker abruptly resigned his post as Secretary to the Senate Majority Leader.
Given this circus-like atmosphere surrounding a Vice President viewed as increasingly corrupt and desperate, it is becoming clear that one of two things will eventuate: President Kennedy's term will be shortened, or Vice President Johnson's term will be shortened.
For Kennedy, it was no longer a matter of "if" Johnson was to be discarded, but only "when."
Once cut loose, Johnson would have been fair game not only for federal and state prosecutors, but for the IRS as well as a good number of individuals on Capitol Hill who had no use for Johnson.
November 22nd rewrote all those scenarios.
 
October 14, 1963—a.m., CST—after Ruth Paine possibly provides a ride; Lee Oswald takes the remainder of his things from Mary Bledsoe's lodgings and left a mess behind. Mrs. Bledsoe said, "Good luck. You know, I thought to myself, 'That's good riddance.'" Oswald, Bledsoe testified, had left behind a map showing bus routes and possible work sites. "I just threw it away and clean up the room. Just threw it away…. didn't pay any attention to it." (Deposition of Mary Bledsoe, 6H 406-407)
 
October 14, 1963— between 4: 00 and 5: 00 p.m., CDT— Dallas, Texas.
Lee Oswald makes the first of six $ 8 payments for his rented room at 1026 N. Beckley, rented under the name "O.H. Lee"; Subsequent payments were made every seven days: October 21, 28; November 4, 11,* and 18. The page noting these payments and nothing else is stamped "Top Secret" in two places. (Gladys Johnson Exhibit A, 20H 276)
Note: the cited exhibit, "Gladys Johnson A," contained a complete list of boarders at 1026 N. Beckley. The dwelling itself, while unprepossessing from the street, is quite large and offers board in twenty-two bedrooms— as testified to by Mrs. Johnson (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 292)
For reasons known best to those who classify such exhibits, it was initially classified "Top Secret." It was eventually declassified, as it was published in the 26 volumes. Some researchers have hypothesized that 1026 N. Beckley was essentially a safe house.
(*) Oswald did not, in point of fact, make a payment on November 11, 1963; it was a Monday, and celebrated as Veterans' Day, and he remained with Marina and his two daughters at Ruth Paine's house.
Earlene Roberts would testify that he always paid regularly and promptly, but did not make that payment until he returned to 1026 N. Beckley at approximately 5: 00 p.m. on Tuesday. (Deposition of Earlene Roberts, 6H 442)
That testimony was essentially corroborated by Gladys Johnson, the property owner, he testified he paid the rent on the 12th, "I would say the next 5 minutes after he walked into the house from work." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 297)
Note: Just as Oswald visited the Elsbeth Avenue site in Dallas, according to landlord Mahlon Tobias, three weeks in advance, so he visited 1026 N. Beckley in advance: "I came home that afternoon(*) and he seen the room for rent sign— the first time he came by, I happened to have just rented the last room that one time. Occasionally, I will have them full and then they just go vacant; people just come in and out, stay a week and then are gone, anyway, at that time, I didn't have a room."
[Warren Commission Counsel Joseph] Ball: "The first time he came to see you?"
Johnson: "Yes; that's something about 3 weeks before he came back." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 293).

Yet Oswald did get a room when he returned, on October 14; three weeks before that would be September 23, 1963, the day before he fled the Garners' lodging on Magazine Street in New Orleans. FROM THERE HE WENT TO MEXICO, and is believed to have returned on October 3. So Gladys Johnson's three week estimate is off by more than double— as the earliest he could have stopped would have been 10 days before, or, put another way, "last week." "Three weeks" is a specific designation of time, even if hedged by "about three weeks."

Someone is being Oswald, and lining up the ducks for him. There is no other explanation for this non-stop pattern of anomalies— especially since the Johnson estimate would also coincide with the approximate time when Lee Oswald did not— because he could not have— visit Sylvia Odio.
Note: In a lighter vein, Mrs. Johnson has a rental document page signed by "O.H. Lee," which she insists the Warren Commission should photo copy: "I have been told that I could sell this and I haven't gotten any money. I think about $ 30 is what I received [from what source is unclear and unasked], all the trouble and all I've had and I've had to take the rugs up once or twice. People like to have driven us crazy before we asked for any information what to do." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 294).
She would add that her boarding receipts had declined because of Oswald's presence in that dwelling.
She told of Oswald never leaving his room, eating there, keeping meat and milk in the refrigerator, and never speaking: "That man never talked; that was the only peculiarity about him. He would never speak." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 296)
Comment: Perhaps this individual, like the "Depository Oswald" was silent because he lacked the fundamental basics in the English language— but perhaps HE was fluent in Russian.
 
October 14, 1963, "early afternoon," 1: 00 or 2: 00 p.m. CST; Dallas, Texas. Earlene Roberts rents a room at 1026 N. Beckley to a man who registered as "O.H. Lee," and she would testify that she did this "to my sorrows."
When asked, "Why to your sorrows?"
She answered, "Well, he was registered as O.H. Lee and I come to find out he was Oswald and I wish I had never known it… they put me through the third degree… The FBI, Secret Service, Mr. Will Fritz' men and Bill Decker's… Every time I would walk out on the front porch somebody was standing with a camera on me— they had me scared to death." (Deposition of Earlene Roberts, 6H 435-436)
Note: In assessing the groups who gave her "the third degree," Mrs. Roberts could have added, "The Warren Commission," as they pointedly— and repeatedly— asked her whether or she knew Oswald (Mr. Lee) had a gun or if she ever saw one, to the point of asking her if she went through his personal belongings when she cleaned his room.

October 14, 1963— late afternoon, CST, Irving, Texas. Ruth Paine, aware that there may be a job at the Texas School Book Depository, telephoned Roy Truly to learn if a position is available, and is told that there is an opening, albeit temporary. (Testimony of Ruth Paine, 3H 34)
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Oct 14 1963 Empty Re: Oct 14 1963

on Fri 13 Dec 2019, 7:02 pm
Thanks for that, Stan.

So Walt Brown is not as thorough as he thinks he is.

No mention of dropping him off at the TEC

No mention of the Lumber yard job interview

No mention of Ruth writing a letter to her mother praising Lee.

Mind you, I forgot about Bledsoe's... :-)

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So... now we have Lee being dropped at the TEC with some of his goods and chattels. From there to the lumber yard, from the lumber yard to Bledsoe's and from Bledsoe's to N. Beckley.

Then you have to squeeze in one or two phone calls back to Irving. The first to say he didn't get the lumber yard job - which means he must have been told there and then (a bit unusual), precipitating the Koffee Kub Klatch meeting, and then a second call to tell them he had found a new room and give them the number, and at the same time, for Ruth to give him the news about an interview with the TSBD.

It's starting to smell a lot like LarryTarzansGripImage's loincloth.

Let me just throw this out... was her letter to mum part of Ruth's defense? For some reason, she got it back off her mother to show the WC. "Who me? Set Lee up? I loved the dude, I tellya! Read what I said about him in this letter!"

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on Sat 14 Dec 2019, 10:52 am
And WTH was Ruth up to having the typewriter repaired, "Fixed" more like it.  Cool
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on Sat 14 Dec 2019, 12:12 pm
provided the wrong link to the lumber yard application

here is the correct link 
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95616&relPageId=113&search=lumber

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on Sat 14 Dec 2019, 2:03 pm
Ruth has a lot to answer for.
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on Sat 14 Dec 2019, 2:04 pm
Vinny wrote:Ruth has a lot to answer for.
All roads lead to Ruth
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on Sat 14 Dec 2019, 2:26 pm
Mick Purdy wrote:
Vinny wrote:Ruth has a lot to answer for.
All roads lead to Ruth

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on Sun 15 Dec 2019, 10:51 am
From any direction, just like her name, Ruth is one letter shy of the Truth.

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on Sun 15 Dec 2019, 11:08 am
Hope you don't mind Stan. Terry inspired!


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