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Armstrong's Magic Tooth and the Facts about "Harvey" at Beauregard

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Armstrong's Magic Tooth and the Facts about "Harvey" at Beauregard

Post by greg parker on Mon 29 Oct 2012, 5:16 pm

Mr. JENNER. But you do remember that you attempted to help him when he was struck in the mouth on that occasion; is that right?

Mr. VOEBEL. Yes; I think he even lost a tooth from that. I think he was cut on the lip, and a tooth was knocked out.
--Warren Commission: Vol. 8, Page 3

Ed Voebel's Warren Commission testimony that Lee Harvey Oswald lost a tooth while in the ninth grade at Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans is pretty hard to refute, because in November 1954 Voebel snapped a photo of young Lee Harvey Oswald showing off his missing front tooth, a photo eventually purchased and published by the old Life magazine, and shown on page 804 of Vol. 16 of the Warren Commission's 26 volumes.

Life magazine editors must have been thrilled to find a photo suggesting Oswald was a hostile kid even in the ninth grade. But there is a serious problem now.

Due to efforts of British writer Michael Eddowes, Oswald's body was exhumed at its Texas gravesite in 1981. Photos and x-rays were taken, including photographs of the cadaver's teeth.

Less than a half hour into his stunning 1997 talk at JFK Lancer's November in Dallas conference, researcher John Armstrong displayed Ed Voebel's WC testimony, and then he showed the Life magazine photo of Oswald displaying his missing tooth.

Ed Voebel told the Warren Commission he first met Lee Oswald when Oswald fought with Johnny Neumeyer. After the fight Voebel got some ice for Lee and attempted to patch him up. Voebel told the Warren Commission, Volume 8, page 3, "I think he was cut on the lip, and a tooth was knocked out ". Shortly after the fight, which occurred in November, 1954, Voebel took this LIFE Magazine photograph of Lee Oswald showing the missing front tooth. But in 1981, when Oswald's body was exhumed, autopsied, photographed and x-rayed there were no missing or chipped teeth.. The boy in the LIFE Magazine photo with the missing tooth was not the person killed by Jack Ruby and autopsied in 1991. When I showed the LIFE Magazine photo of Oswald to Myra, she said this was not Harvey Oswald. Myra was correct, the LIFE magazine photo was Lee Oswald.

Ed Voebel knew Harvey Oswald in the 8th grade and Lee Oswald in the 9th grade. The HSCA was quite interested in talking to Voebel. However, Voebel died a few years earlier at age 31 at the Oshner Clinic, in New Orleans.
http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/books/Armstrong/Tooth/Tooth.htm

Voebel's qualified statement about a tooth being knocked out was transformed into a positive statement of fact by Armstrong, with a much blown up photo taken by Voebel purportedly supporting this contention. Note however that Voebel also said he thought Oswald had cut his lip, and Armstrong is silent on that point because it does nothing to advance his theory.

Voebel's memory seems to have confused who actually did the damage, as well as the nature of the damage. He named Johnny Neumeyer as the person involved.

Here is what actually happened:

Mr. LIEBELER. Well, now you mentioned that he was always getting in fights?
Mrs. SMITH. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Will you tell us what you know about that?
Mrs. SMITH. One fight really impressed me, I guess because there was this boy--he wasn't going to Beauregard, this boy he had the fight with, and he was a little guy. I think his name was Robin Riley. He hit Lee, and his tooth came through his lip.
Mr. LIEBELER. Through the upper part of his lip?
Mrs. SMITH. Oh, gee, I don't know whether it was a bottom----
Mr. LIEBELER. But it actually tore the lip?
Mrs. SMITH. Yes; it actually tore the lip, and I remember--what is that boy's name?--the blond fellow that was on television that knew him so well?
Mr. LIEBELER. Are you thinking of Edward Voebel?
Mrs. SMITH. That is him.
Mr. LIEBELER. V-o-e-b-e-l?
Mrs. SMITH. He took him back in school, and I guess they kind of patched his lip up, but he was--he more or less kept to himself, he didn't mix with the other kids in school other than Voebel. He is the only one I remember.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/smithb.htm

So Neumeyer never knocked out a tooth and cut Oswald's lip. It was a little guy named Robin Riley - and the tooth was not knocked out - it was put through Oswald's lip. This version of events is supported by the autopsy:

"Midline upper lip terminating at the vermilion margin is a 1/4 inch pale scar." http://www.jmasland.com/cat_content.asp?contentid=108&catid=68

And the photo taken by Voebel? It is a much blown up area of one part of the entire photo. Given the testimony of Mrs. Smith and the autopsy report which backs her up, what appears to be a missing tooth is no more than an artifact at best - a photo forgery at worst.
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So who was the boy recalled by Myra DaRouse?


On one occasion we were practicing basketball in the schoolyard. Ed
Voebel comes running out and says, 'Ms. DaRouse! Ms. DaRouse! Come inside
quick!" So Dorothy Duvik [another teacher] and I went into the basement,
and there on the floor was Harvey, and an upright piano that had fallen,
[on] his legs from the waist down. So with the help of Ed Voebel [we]
pulled the piano up, and I asked him if he was hurt,
asked Harvey if he
was hurt, and he said no, he didn't think so.

How tall was Harvey? Myra said, "Well, I'm about 5'3" now, but I was
about 5'4" back then, and I would say he came up to about here
[indicating]. I would say he was about 4'8", 4'6", or about 4'8".
"


"That small -- 4'6" or 4'8"?"

"Yeah, he was little, scrawny" (70).

"Myra DaRouse saw Harvey every day at Beauregard in 1955. Myra's
description of a 4'6" or 4'8"

Ms. DaRouse takes issue with the Warren Report's characterization of
Oswald as a troublemaker and a scrapper. She says he was only in one
fight that she ever knew, an occasion when a small group of boys came
riding up on the bikes after school and ganged up on him and Ed Voebel.
She says he was knocked around pretty badly before she came upon the
scene and interceded. This occurred outside on an asphalt black-top
section of the school grounds. Knowing that Oswald was supposed to have
had a tooth knocked out the following school year, I nevertheless asked
her if this wasn't the occasion that he had the tooth knocked out. She
said, no, she didn't remember anything like that.


Ms. DaRouse said that Oswald spent a lot of time at the school library
before and after the school day.
She added that, this being a school
library, there weren't any books that would put any "funny ideas" in his
head. I said, "You mean political things?" "Right." I took the
opportunity to ask her if she'd ever heard Oswald say anything about
politics, Communism, or any such thing. "No, never." I asked if she
remembered the way he talked: whether he might have had a Southern
accent." Her first recollection was of his being very quiet and
soft-spoken, not talking much. She said that, of course, being from the
South, she herself wouldn't have noticed such an accent. "But you don't
remember him sounding like a Northerner?" I asked. "No."
http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.g-dr.html

Okay, so the boy Myra recalled was 4' 6" to 4'8" tall, not a fighter, had not had a tooth knocked out - but did have a piano fall on him, was quiet, soft spoken, spent a lot of time in the school library and hung out with Voebel.

Firstly, let's knock out the tooth nonsense. Her failure to recollect this happening to Oswald was because - as we have seen, it never did happen to Oswald. Nor did it happen to the boy she mistakenly recalled as Oswald. What about the piano incident? She has Voebel being the boy who reported the incident to her - yet he never mentioned it in his WC testimony - or anywhere else despite being pressed for all he could remember. Did he simply forget all about it? Possibly. But it is far more likely he never mentioned it simply because it did not happen to Oswald - it happened to the kid Myra is mistakenly recalling as Oswald. Who was that boy?

His name was Bobby Newman.

To find him, we simply have to go back to the testimony of Bennierita Smith:

Mrs. SMITH. He took him back in school, and I guess they kind of patched his lip up, but he was--he more or less kept to himself, he didn't mix with the other kids in school other than Voebel. He is the only one I remember. And they had this little boy--I think it was Bobby Newman--he used to take around with, but I don't remember too much about him either. I can remember he was little, he was short.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who was?
Mrs. SMITH. Bobby Newman.
Mr. LIEBELER. Bobby Newman?
Mrs. SMITH. But he was, I guess, the studious type. Well, it seemed to me. He was always studying, you know, reading books, and that is as far as--I don't know what his grades were, but as far as him mixing with other people, he didn't. You know, like when you go to school, more or less everybody has their own group. Well, there wasn't anybody he hung around with, except, like I said, Edward Voebel.


Bobby was "short", always studying, reading books and hung out with Voebel and Oswald, which matches Myra's recollection of "Harvey" perfectly. Sounds like Myra let herself become convinced that Bobby was really the mythical "Harvey".




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Re: Armstrong's Magic Tooth and the Facts about "Harvey" at Beauregard

Post by greg parker on Tue 30 Oct 2012, 11:03 pm

Voebel's memory seems to have confused who actually did the damage, as well as the nature of the damage. He named Johnny Neumeyer as the person involved.

I was led astray by the presentation of Armstrong's thesis. Voebel never blamed Nuemeyer for the punch in question.

He told the FBI that the Noemeyer brothers "arranged" for someone from another school to come to Beauregard Junior High School and wait for Oswald the following day and when Oswald came out from school this other individual stepped out and hit Oswald in the mouth. Voebel remembered that when Oswald was struck his tooth pierced his lip." Voebel did not know the name of the boy, nor give any description.

In his testimony some months later:

Mr. VOEBEL. Yes, sir. Mike's mouth started bleeding, and when that happened, the whole sympathy of the crowd turned against Oswald for some reason, which I didn't understand, because it was two against one, and Oswald had a right to defend himself. In a way, I felt that this boy got what he deserved, and in fact, later on I found out that this boy that got his mouth cut had been in the habit of biting his lip. Oswald might have hit him on the shoulder or something, and the boy might have hit his lip, and it might have looked like Oswald hit him in the mouth, but anyway, somebody else came out and ran everybody off then, and the whole sympathy of the crowd was against Lee at that time because he had punched little Mike in the mouth and made his mouth bleed. I don't remember anything that happened after that, but I think I just went on home and everybody went their way, and then the next day or a couple of days later we were coming out of school in the evening, and Oswald I think, was a little in front of me and I was a couple of paces behind him, and I was talking with some other people, and I didn't actually see what happened because it all happened so quick.
Some big guy, probably from a high school--he looked like a tremendous football player--punched Lee right square in the mouth, and without him really knowing or seeing really who did it. I don't know who he was, and he ran off. That's when we ran after Lee to see if we could help him.
Mr. JENNER. He just swung one lick and ran?
Mr. VOEBEL. Yes; that's what they call passing the post. He passed the post on him.
Mr. JENNER. Passed the post, what's that?
Mr. VOEBEL. That's when somebody walks up to you and punches you. That's what's called punching the post, and someone passed the post on Lee at that time.
Mr. JENNER. You think that might have happened because of the squabble he had with the two Neumeyer boys a day or two before?
Mr. VOEBEL. Yes; I think that was what brought it all about. I think this was sort of a revenge thing on the part of the Neumeyer boys, so that's when I felt sympathy toward Lee for something like this happening, and a couple of other boys and I--I don't remember who they were, but they brought him back in the restroom and tried to fix him up, and that's when our friendship, or semi-friendship, you might say, began. We weren't really buddy-buddy, but it was just a friendship, I would say.

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Here is Mrs Smith's testimony on this again:

Mrs. SMITH. One fight really impressed me, I guess because there was this boy--he wasn't going to Beauregard, this boy he had the fight with, and he was a little guy. I think his name was Robin Riley. He hit Lee, and his tooth came through his lip.
Mr. LIEBELER. Through the upper part of his lip?
Mrs. SMITH. Oh, gee, I don't know whether it was a bottom----
Mr. LIEBELER. But it actually tore the lip?
Mrs. SMITH. Yes; it actually tore the lip

And here is what is reported by the FBI:

She dis recall that one day at the school he had a fight. She though that the fight had been with a boy named Robin Reilly who at that time resided in the French Quarter. Mrs Smith thought Reilly had a sister Jean Reilly who is still possibly living in the French Quarter at the present time.

Mrs Smith stated Reilly did not attend Beauregard Junior High School. She recalls Reilly moved to Hollywood, California. She recalled she viewed him on the television show "George Montgomery Presents" where he played a small part as an actor...

Note the different spelling of the surname between the FBI and Warren commission.

The WC version was correct. Riley died on Jun 15, 1983 and was born Dec 1,1939 - thus the claim by Armstrong that he was older than Oswald is wrong.
http://www.hollywoodgravehunter.com/site/bio.php?bnum=1125

How to reconcile the difference between Mrs Smith's testimony and Voebel on the issue of a drescription of Oswald's assailant?

According to Voebel his was a big footballer type. According to Smith he was "a little guy".

I have to go with Smith on the basis that she was able to put a name to the person - and unlike Voebel, had not been friends with Oswald, so had no impulse to put the best spin on it.

You can catch his most famous movie here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aweCbLRVFEs however, I can't pinpoint which character he is...

Also on another note, Armstrong witness Myra daRouse told him:

"Well, I'm about 5'3" now, but I was about 5'4" back then,

So she had shrunk an inch... but bring that possibility up concerning Marguerite and watch all hell break loose.



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