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William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Guest on Wed 25 Jun 2014, 11:44 pm

Greg, i'm glad you see the point both Stan and myself have raised. That said, you are quite correct that whatever can be gleaned from the remaining witnesses must be more than an "off the record" comment or an anecdote to an author.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Guest on Thu 26 Jun 2014, 12:41 am

Colin Crow wrote:Funny how Frazier's recent interviews (yes he has claimed on more than one occasion) have Oswald leaving the TSBD in the direction of the bus escape route. Seeds planted by others maybe. Certainly his non-cofirmation of himself in the PM images is highly suspicious IMO as he had previously gone out of his way to express dismay that he could not be seen standing there "because he was back in the shadows". Now that he can be seen standing next to PM this appears more disturbing to him than relief from vindication of his location.

Pretty much sums my own feelings up regarding the matter, Colin.

If I was a betting man I would place a wager on Frazier almost pooping in his pants once the photograph was shown to him because:

a) He is visibly in the photograph exactly where he said he was
b) He knows that is Oswald stood right next to him and fully understood the implications should better copies of the Darnell film become available in the future

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Sun 09 Oct 2016, 6:58 am

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Vinny on Mon 10 Oct 2016, 1:12 am

Great find,Barto.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 9:19 am

ROKC find JFK Student Smile

Meanwhile, another ROKC find, Lovelady and Shelley, ROKC Scan of Couch print.
Best image available on them two for sure. It's them....end of debate.

http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Billy-Lovelady-and-Bill-Shelley-in-Malcolm-Couch-ROKC-Scan.jpg

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 4:12 pm

Thanks for saving me from posting the ten page criminal file Bart.

I will finish my request for Shelley's records by getting the misdemeanor file from 1960.

Cheers, Ed

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 11:10 pm

Thanks a bunch m8!

Full size Image: HERE



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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Greg Martin on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 3:13 am

That Couch print leaves no doubt now does it

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 3:37 am

Indeed. The shirt is a dead give away.
I applied various ways of sharpening to the inserts.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 5:06 am



http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/shelley-collage-1.jpg



http://www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Lovelady-collage.jpg

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 6:14 am

I have also revised my main blog post on this mater and all documnetation is present there as well.

http://www.prayer-man.com/billy-nolan-lovelady-and-bill-shelly-did-leave-the-steps-almost-immediately-after-the-shots-were-fired/

In a nutshell...they lied their socks off, yet strengthened the case for Oswald being Prayer only more.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Vinny on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 7:33 pm

Scully is claiming that you got the wrong Shelley.

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=1ad7fcfa8e39477b1a59c295c70febcd&topic=13709.0

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by greg parker on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 12:20 am

JFK Student wrote:Scully is claiming that you got the wrong Shelley.

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=1ad7fcfa8e39477b1a59c295c70febcd&topic=13709.0

If correct, and it looks like he might be, those who obtained the documents are not at fault. The fault is with those who sent them. The request was obviously made for documents on William SHELLEY - not William SHELEY. 

In requesting files, you simply don't expect that you will get a file of a different person whose name is almost identical. I fully admit I didn't pick up on the name difference. That Shelley allegedly had a record has been bandied about for a long time, so it appears that this other Sheley has been mistaken for "Hoyt" in the past as well. 

Savor the moment, Tom - because that's all it is, and remember that casting stones can be a dangerous occupation for those who live in glass houses.

Meanwhile, we're prepared to keep taking the risks and making mistakes because that is always the path to truth.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Jake Sykes on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 1:45 am

"Meanwhile, we're prepared to keep taking the risks and making mistakes because that is always the path to truth."
Here's a mistake I'm prepared to make: The pathway to truth is found through Prayerman. 
Although getting to the bottom of it could never be a mistake.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Stan Dane on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 2:12 am

And when we're shown to be wrong, we don't double down like many other researchers and certain mythical creatures do. No, we embrace it and move on. Because it gets us closer to the truth.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I must acknowledge an anniversary today.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 5:12 am

And yet he says nothing about that ridiculous Shirley Temple concoction of PM. Tom is a worm that's why he is good at digging up dirt. Wipe that stupid smirk of your face and get back to shovelling you dirtbag.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by greg parker on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 11:11 am

Not only very similar name, but close on date of birth, and both apparently keen on terriers. 

Tom is no different to many others who we have upset. It is about "gotcha" moments and revenge. That Tom goes though our stuff looking for "gotcha's" is not a bad thing, even if his motivation is suspect. 

Why? because as Stan said, we don't double-down. We move on. It's not about "us". It is about getting as close to the real history as possible and closing the doors on this and all the other forums who exist solely for self-perpetuation.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 11:42 am

greg parker wrote:Not only very similar name, but close on date of birth, and both apparently keen on terriers. 

Tom is no different to many others who we have upset. It is about "gotcha" moments and revenge. That Tom goes though our stuff looking for "gotcha's" is not a bad thing, even if his motivation is suspect. 

Why? because as Stan said, we don't double-down. We move on. It's not about "us". It is about getting as close to the real history as possible and closing the doors on this and all the other forums who exist solely for self-perpetuation.
We do move on and we're not afraid to change our minds or disagree. We're united when it comes to Prayer Man but what Tom doesn't understand about that is our passion to get this case reopened. Prayer Man we can all agree with can make that happen more than any other aspect of this case. His dismissive approach to the subject reveals more about himself than he will care to admit. He is full of self importance. I don't give a shit about making mistakes and being pulled up on it but Tom is the vindictive type. Yes we've upset him but we've also given him every chance to be inclusive. He can't say the same for us with a straight face. Keep digging dirt Tom. Menial labour suits you. Barto is far too busy fighting the good fight that you haven't got the balls for.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by steely dan on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 12:17 pm

Tom Scully on a high horse.....under his arse is a hard hat area, right Frank?

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Jake Sykes on Sun 16 Oct 2016, 8:57 pm

As critical as the roles TSBD personnel played are and when virtually all of them have an established, documented identity, we have two of them who remain in the shadows despite having testified before the WC etc. They are William Shelley and Jack Dougherty. Where are the records on these people and why aren't they front and center going back to the original investigation? The notes not played can be as important as those that are.
But those who are preoccupied with vendettas tend to be tone deaf.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Fri 21 Oct 2016, 7:01 am

JFK Student wrote:Scully is claiming that you got the wrong Shelley.

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=1ad7fcfa8e39477b1a59c295c70febcd&topic=13709.0

He is probably right, I was aware of the typo, or better yet the lack of that extra 'L', but the reason why we went after it was because we found Decker's report at the archives among other TSBD employees documents.

So we got in touch with the criminal records div. in Dallas and had his late 60's records sent over, which I posted above and which I will remove in due course. I will also amend this at my website.

An honest mistake for which I can only apologise.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Goban Saor on Fri 21 Oct 2016, 7:16 am

barto wrote:
JFK Student wrote:Scully is claiming that you got the wrong Shelley.

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=1ad7fcfa8e39477b1a59c295c70febcd&topic=13709.0

He is probably right, I was aware of the typo, or better yet the lack of that extra 'L', but the reason why we went after it was because we found Decker's report at the archives among other TSBD employees documents.

So we got in touch with the criminal records div. in Dallas and had his late 60's records sent over, which I posted above and which I will remove in due course. I will also amend this at my website.

An honest mistake for which I can only apologise.
There’s no need at all for an apology, Barto. Sifting through so much documentation as you do, for which I for one am very grateful, it would be surprising if you didn’t make the occasional mistake.

On reflection, it would be odd if William Shelley did have a criminal record, since it has been established that he probably was some kind of intelligence operator involved, among other things, in the handling of LHO.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by barto on Fri 21 Oct 2016, 7:22 am

Well, I should have checked the DOB, since that is out by a year. 

I don't buy the intel thingy, the Glaze letters are just a one sided publication. I would want to hear the tapes.
Shelley just did as he was told....just like Truly did.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Fri 21 Oct 2016, 7:40 am

barto wrote:Well, I should have checked the DOB, since that is out by a year. 

I don't buy the intel thingy, the Glaze letters are just a one sided publication. I would want to hear the tapes.
Shelley just did as he was told....just like Truly did.
Intel or not, Shelley and Truly were full of shit. As for an apology bro, as Goban said no need from my end either. You've been inundated with stuff. Scully is the sort of guy who checks out his turd after he takes a dump and smiles with pride before flushing the toilet bowl.

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Re: William Shelley- Betrayal and Perjury

Post by Ed. Ledoux on Sat 22 Oct 2016, 4:18 am

Scully may have saved a few in Mason jars as proof

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