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Fri 15 Mar 2013, 3:51 am
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Inspired by the research of both Lee Farley and Duke Lane, I wrote an article on my blog entitled "Gerald Hill and the murder of Officer Tippit", in which I argued that Hill had framed Oswald for the murder of J.D Tippit.

I'm not gonna go into detail here about Hill's complicity, and will leave it up to anyone interested in learning about Hill's suspicious actions following the assassination to read my article on my blog.

On John Simkin's education forum, Duke Lane made the claim that Hill had his arm (almost) handcuffed inside the Texas Theatre, during the scuffle with Oswald. I trust Lane, as I consider him to be an honest researcher, but I have been unable to locate the interview/report in which this claim was made.

The reason I ask is because Officer Ray Hawkins made the claim that Hill had grabbed "Oswald's" revolver during the scuffle; whereas the Official version has it that Officer Bob Carroll did. Keep in mind that Hawkins was the Officer who had pulled out his handcuffs and Cuffed Oswald. Now if it turns out that it was Hill that had his arm grabbed and (almost) handcuffed, and it was Hawkins who had grabbed it, then it would strengthen the case against Hill.

Why would it you ask? Because if Hawkins saw the revolver in Hill's hand inside the dimly lighted Theatre, then he would have grabbed Hill's arm believing it was in fact Oswald's arm. If someone could inform me if a). It was Hill's arm that was grabbed and b). If it was Hawkins who grabbed it, I would greatly appreciate it.


P.S If anyone wants to discuss my article on Hill, I would be more than happy to do so.

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Tue 12 Nov 2013, 4:51 am
Richard Gilbride wrote:Mr. Bill Brown:

I am familiar with your personal history, from very occasionally reading your posts at the jfkassassination forum. There is a sassy, spiteful tone to that forum, of which tone you have partaken, which will not be tolerated here.

I was away from the computer this weekend. I returned last night to see your posts on the Leavelle thread, and then found your reply to me on this thread. Your reply, awakening a thread that had been slumbering for quite a while, served no purpose other than to start a LN vs. CT argument, using the empty fact that you reiterated. Your reply awakened my anger, which is no sin. It is a waste of my time to reply to empty facts, which were posted for the purpose of starting an argument.

Do you care to reply to the substantive message in my reply to your post? Can you accept that there are deeper textures to what ostensibly look like facts?

In other words, what do you have to say to Burroughs stating he sold popcorn to Oswald at 1:15? To me, he sounds like a man telling the truth.



"In other words, what do you have to say to Burroughs stating he sold popcorn to Oswald at 1:15? To me, he sounds like a man telling the truth."

Since you asked, I think Burroughs was very obviously lying.
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Tue 12 Nov 2013, 5:03 am
greg parker wrote:
Bill Brown wrote:
Richard Gilbride wrote:My own view is that he got picked up by the Rambler, which had probably circled the block after dropping him off at the rooming house, which then took him straight to the Texas Theater. And concessionaire Butch Burroughs stated Oswald entered the Theater sometime between 1:00 and 1:07, I think it's about a 5-minute drive from 1026 North Beckley so I'd put it closer to 1:08.
Burroughs, in his testimony to the Warren Commission, was asked if he saw a struggle between a man and some officers inside the theater.  He said that he did.  He was then asked by Ball if he saw this man enter the theater.  Below was his reply:

"No, sir; I didn't."
Perhaps you should go back and read my post again.  I offered no opinion, simply fact.
Bill, it is indeed a fact that Burroughs said he did not see Oswald enter.

But it is also a fact that he could not have seen him enter.

And yet another fact that Richard never claimed Burroughs was an eye-witness to Oswald entering (to use your own words "go back and read Richard's post again")

One last fact: you don't need to actually witness an event to be able to accurately guestimate what time it happened.

Give those last 3 facts, what was the point of yours - if not to start some type of CT v LN debate? Your "fact" is irrelevant. The Warren Commission Report is irrelevant. CT vs LN debate is irrelevant. Your being here is on the cusp of irrelevancy. It's up to you. We are here to conduct and discuss new research. Our aim is having the case reopened. Get on board that program, or leave the group.
"Bill, it is indeed a fact that Burroughs said he did not see Oswald enter.

But it is also a fact that he could not have seen him enter.

And yet another fact that Richard never claimed Burroughs was an eye-witness to Oswald entering (to use your own words "go back and read Richard's post again")

One last fact: you don't need to actually witness an event to be able to accurately guestimate what time it happened."



If one believes Burroughs was not being truthful many years after testifying to the Warren Commission, then NO, it is certainly NOT a fact that Oswald entered the theater lobby but Burroughs could not have seen Oswald enter the theater lobby.  You and I have a difference of opinion on what constitutes something to be factual.

How do you know Burroughs was telling the truth when he said that Oswald entered the theater at a certain time, yet he did not actually see Oswald enter?  Because he "sounds believable?  Please.

Hell, for that matter, if he was telling the truth, how do you know that Burroughs was correct when he said Oswald entered while he was otherwise occupied and therefore, never saw Oswald enter?  If he never saw Oswald enter, how could he possibly know for a fact when Oswald entered?

Had Lee Oswald went to trial for the murder of J.D. Tippit, a defense attorney wouldn't use Burroughs as a witness in an attempt to prove that his client was inside a movie theater at a time that coincides with when almost a dozen witnesses identified him as the man who they saw shoot a police officer.  As soon as Burroughs states that he never saw the defendant enter the theater, then no one is gong to care about his "opinion" on when it was that the defendant actually entered.
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Tue 12 Nov 2013, 5:08 am
In my opinion, regarding what time it was that Lee Oswald entered the Texas Theater, Johnny Brewer trumps Butch Burroughs any day of the week.
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Tue 12 Nov 2013, 11:34 am
Just for laughs, I'll post some more excerpts from JFK and the Unspeakable, which I agree with wholeheartedly on this Burroughs issue.

p. 460, footnote 435

Butch Burroughs tried to explain to the Warren Commission why Lee Harvey Oswald, on entering the theater, must have gone directly up the stairs to the balcony. If so, it was impossible for Burroughs to see his entry from the concession stand. Burroughs said he was in the process of counting stock candy and putting it in his candy case: "if he had came around in front of the concession out there, I would have seen him, even though I was bent down, I would have seen him, but otherwise- I think he sneaked up the (balcony) stairs real fast." Burroughs knew that, if he had not seen Oswald come in, he must have gone immediately up the balcony stairs on entering the theater. Julia Postal, the ticket-seller for the Texas Theater, also tried to explain this logistical fact in her Warren Commission testimony: "You can go up in the balcony and right straight down, those steps come back down, and that would bring you into (the orchestra seating). He wouldn't have to go by Butch at all."

So, Bill Brown, we're light years apart in our positions on this, and I get the feeling that we'll remain that way no matter how many times we discuss this matter.
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Tue 12 Nov 2013, 3:32 pm
Mrs. POSTAL. We talked about that, and the concession stand is along here, and if he came in on the other end, which we summarized that is what Oswald did, because the steps, immediately as you open the door there. It has been done before with kids trying to sneak in, run right on up in the balcony. 

Mr. BALL. You asked Warren Burroughs why he didn't see him. did you? 
Mrs. POSTAL. Yes; we kidded him quite a bit anyway, because some people do then get by him. 


Small world. Did the same thing as a kid with a few other kids... at the movie house in Liverpool... (yes, Lee, I grew up partly near a place called Liverpool) "Our" version of Julia Postal used to arrive about 10 minutes into the movie... with tickets in hand for us. So it became a kind a game where we "won" (i.e. successfully penetrated the balcony unseen) if "Julia" didn't appear on schedule. She must have been a very kind-hearted woman. We really were just a bunch of street-urchins...

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Mon 26 May 2014, 7:49 am
See now http://www.ctka.net/2014/hill.html.

A detailed, cautious, yet provocative piece.  Well done, Hasan.
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Mon 26 May 2014, 7:55 am
Albert Rossi wrote:See now http://www.ctka.net/2014/hill.html.

A detailed, cautious, yet provocative piece.  Well done, Hasan.

Thanks, Albert.
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Mon 26 May 2014, 8:19 am
Hasan Yusuf wrote:
Albert Rossi wrote:See now http://www.ctka.net/2014/hill.html.

A detailed, cautious, yet provocative piece.  Well done, Hasan.

Thanks, Albert.
That link doesn't work because of full stop.
Try this http://www.ctka.net/2014/hill.html

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Tue 27 May 2014, 8:27 am
I have linked the television footage of Hill smiling as he is asked if he thinks Oswald was the same man who killed Tippit, in case the link in the essay to the footage is not working:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy4Fv4xsM4Y


It's at the 59 minute, 40 second mark. Members may also be interested in what the commentator says at about the 56 minute 10 second mark.
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Sun 29 Nov 2015, 9:10 am
Hasan Yusuf wrote:Inspired by the research of both Lee Farley and Duke Lane, I wrote an article on my blog entitled "Gerald Hill and the murder of Officer Tippit", in which I argued that Hill had framed Oswald for the murder of J.D Tippit.

... On John Simkin's education forum, Duke Lane made the claim that Hill had his arm (almost) handcuffed inside the Texas Theatre, during the scuffle with Oswald. I trust Lane, as I consider him to be an honest researcher, but I have been unable to locate the interview/report in which this claim was made. ...
It's been a long, long time since I wrote that. Did I not give a citation for it? If I'm not mistaken these many years later, Hill made that "ha-ha" remark in his testimony. Check there first. If not there, let me know.

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Sun 29 Nov 2015, 6:12 pm
Hi Duke,

Nice to finally communicate with you. I am fairly certain that Hill made no such remark during his testimony, but I'll have a look when time allows and get back to you.

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"On the way to the scene, the dispatcher had broadcast a description of a possible suspect: white male, 5’6” to 5’8,” brown hair, 130–150 pounds. We had this information as we approached the building. We got out as close to the Book Depository as we could considering there was a bunch of people and officers milling around. As we exited the car, I asked if the building had been sealed off and had it been searched? I was told that it had been sealed but not searched."

Sneed, Larry A.. No More Silence: An Oral History of the Assassination of President Kennedy (p. 293). Texas A&M University Press. Kindle Edition.
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I believe this is from the Garrison Investigation.

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Quite a find this Barto. I wonder what Hasan would have made of it.

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Here are two PDFs on the AARC site, with thanks to Malcolm Blunt pointing me to them.
Very good read.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/notices/SGTHILL1.pdf
On page 10 Charles Truman Walker is confirmed as the officer who stayed behind to keep watch on Oswald.  Walker frisked Oswald before Boyd and Sims did about two hours later before the first line-up. Walker found nada yet Boyd and Sims did......

http://www.aarclibrary.org/notices/SGTHILL2.pdf

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