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Post by greg parker on Fri 29 Mar 2013, 8:45 am

Over at the ed forum, Robin Unger has posted a clear crop of a backyard photo in which he believes he sees a ring on Oswald's right hand.

Does anyone agree with Robin? To me it looks like light reflecting on the joint from having that finger slightly bent. The same effect is noticeable on the knuckles of his other hand.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19810&st=120 (post 128)

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Post by Guest on Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:03 am

I'd have to agree with Robin. The brightness of the "ring area" looks brighter than anything on the knuckles of the other hand. And there's a shadow on the left side of the ring, especially at its lower half- an indication of an object having some thickness, elevated somewhat from the skin.

The photo isn't sharp enough to conclusively say, but it's sharp enough for a judgment call.

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Post by greg parker on Fri 29 Mar 2013, 11:22 am

Thanks Richard.

I had to blow it up to really notice the shadow. Limited ability to discern shadows and what lay within them usually keeps me out of such debates Smile

Bear that in mind as I say I think the shadow is probably caused by the depth created at the joint. If you look at the ring in post 127, it seems to have very considerable depth - much more than indicated by the shadow in the BYP.

That said, I do believe the photos are fakes. I just rely on evidence outside the photos themselves to come to that conclusion.

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Post by ianlloyd on Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:59 am

Richard Gilbride wrote:I'd have to agree with Robin. The brightness of the "ring area" looks brighter than anything on the knuckles of the other hand. And there's a shadow on the left side of the ring, especially at its lower half- an indication of an object having some thickness, elevated somewhat from the skin.

The photo isn't sharp enough to conclusively say, but it's sharp enough for a judgment call.

I tend to concur Richard - it seems too bright to be a knuckle, it seems like light is reflecting off something.

Another thought, he supposedly left his wedding ring on the dresser on the morning of the 22nd - are there any photographs showing him wearing his wedding ring?

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Post by greg parker on Sat 30 Mar 2013, 12:10 pm

Guys, I'm not totally convinced I'm right... so I'll go into Devil's advocate mode.

Is the ring in your opinions, a wedding band, or his marine ring (which I believe he is wearing in the arrest photo on his left hand)?


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Post by ianlloyd on Sat 30 Mar 2013, 8:30 pm

I think it looks rather uniform, more like a wedding ring. The marines ring has a large bulge on the top and I think something like that may have been visible.

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Post by greg parker on Sat 30 Mar 2013, 9:54 pm

Here is something Marina said about the wedding band...

Mrs. OSWALD. At one time while he was still at Fort Worth, it was inconvenient for him to work with his wedding ring on and he would remove it, but at work--he would not leave it at home. His wedding ring was rather wide, and it bothered him.

What we see in the BY photo doesn't strike me as being particularly wide for a wedding band.

Are there other photos where this wedding band is visible?If so, how wide is it, and on what hand is he wearing it?

Left hand is Western Chistian tradition. Right hand (as in the BY photo) is Eastern orthodox tradition.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 31 Mar 2013, 5:47 am

Guys, I just thought I'd post the following FWIW;

Ring or no ring, I am 100% satisfied that the BY photos are fake. I have looked at them extensively, and the head in each photo looks the same; with only the facial expressions being slightly different. The clothing "Oswald" was wearing in the BY photos were never discovered amongst his possessions. When the DPD searched the Paine home on the day of the asassination, the photos were not found; only to be discovered the following day.

We all know that the imperial reflex camera was "discovered" by Ruth Paine on December 8th and given; not to the FBI, but to Robert Oswald. We all know that Oswald supposedly took photos of the Walker home, after he allegedly tried to shoot him. Walker insisted to Robert Blakey that the bullet recovered after the attempt on his life was steel jacketed, whereas MC bullets are copper jacketed. Surely, the fact that Oswald didn't fire the shot at Walker is proof that someone took the imperial reflex camera and took photos of the actual photos made as part of the Oswald frame-up.

Surely then photos of the actual BY man (whom I think is Roscoe White) with the pasted Oswald head were later taken using the imperial reflex as part of the frame-up. Now someone please correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the DeMohrenschildt copy of Ce133-A lack the characteristic markings of the imperial reflex camera? Isn't this positive proof that photos of the actual BY photos were later taken by the imperial reflex camera?

(My apologies for any errors in my post above. I wrote it half asleep.)

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Post by greg parker on Sun 31 Mar 2013, 10:51 am

Hasan,

you have a better grasp of the evidence than some who have been doing this since before you were born.

I also believe they were fake, but without the requisite expertise in photo analysis, I rely on other information.

To put it plainly... I believe Marina did take a single photo of Oswald holding a gun.

But it was taken in Minsk. And it was his shotgun.

Marina destroyed this photo under instruction from Mama Marguerite post -assassination for fear it was incriminating.

But privy to those goings on was one, Ruth Paine.

Ruth Paine's "estranged" husband Mike had a dark room. It was Mike who told the authorities the address the BY photos were taken.

Oswald meanwhile, denied ever living at that address, and there is bugger all evidence to show he did.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Mon 01 Apr 2013, 6:09 am

Thanks, Greg. I agree with you that Marina took a photo of Oswald holding the shotgun, and I think you and others have done some terrific work on the Neely Street address. It also amazes me how someone like Don Thomas could believe that the BY photos are authentic, and, if you can believe it, he thinks Marina Oswald and Ruth Paine are credible witnesses!

I've just recently finished part 1 of my review of Thomas's book which is up on my blog. In part 2, I'm really gonna go after Thomas concerning the BY photos.

P.S I think Michael brought the BY photos with him when he arrived at Ruth's house on the day of the assassination. With the cops already there, the photos had to be "discovered" the next day. If only he got there earlier...

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Post by Frankie Vegas on Mon 22 Apr 2013, 1:10 pm

I agree that the photos are fake as well. Just like with the lunch bag, I see no reason to disbelieve Lee Oswald when he says that they are fake (and that he can show that they are, I wish he had of had the chance).
I believe that if Lee Oswald was lying about the photos he would of come up with a better lie than that they are fake, which would of been quite difficult without photoshop.
There are a few reasons why I don't believe the photos, but with me not being any sort of photographic expert I have to rely on other's research.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 6:32 am

Guys,

In the following press conference (page 7), Jesse Curry claims that he had seen a photo of Oswald without "the gun" (which I presume he meant rifle). Does anyone know what photo he was talking about?

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/pdf/WH24_CE_2147.pdf

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Post by greg parker on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 8:47 am

Sorry Hasan, I can't find what you're referring to?

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 8:54 am

Greg, apparently there was a photo of Oswald found in the Paine garage without him holding the rifle. Curry tells the reporters about it on page 7 of the above link. I would like to know which photo that was?

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Post by Frankie Vegas on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 1:50 pm

It's on page 7 of the above link. (I think it's 7 or close by) on the left side of the page. I remember reading a while back in reference to this case that if someone says 'gun' they are usually referring to hand gun, so maybe Curry is talking about the hand gun?
(I can no longer remember where I read this info, so it's pretty much useless and Curry could very well be talking about the rifle. ...

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Post by greg parker on Tue 09 Jul 2013, 7:11 pm

Ok. I found it. I was looking at the page numbers on the page. What you guys are calling "7" has page "12" typed on it.

CURRY. I don't know about all of the pictures; I've Just--
actually, I've Just looked at one Print.
Q. Did it have a date on the back of it, Chief?
Curry. Sir?
Q. Did it have a date on the back of it as some commercial
films do?
CURRY. No, I didn't see it . In fact, I didn't see the one with
the gun. I--I looked at a 8 X 10 blow-up.
Q. Oh.
Curry. But we--
Q. Was there one showing him with the rifle, and does that show
him with the pistol also?
CURRY. Yes.
Q. And the cartridge belt?
CURRY. Well, I--I didn't notice the cartridge belt and the holster.
Q. And the holster?
CURRY. Yea.
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From Fritz' testimony...

Mr. BALL. In the meantime your officers had brought back from Irving some pictures that they found in the garage, hadn't they? 
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir. 
Mr. BALL. And you had had them blown up, hadn't you? 
Mr. FRITZ. That is right. 
Mr. BALL. What pictures--and you showed Oswald a picture at this time? 
Mr. FRITZ. A picture of him holding a rifle and wearing the pistol. It showed a picture of him holding a rifle and wearing the pistol. I showed him first an enlarged picture. 
Mr. BALL. I will show you Commission Exhibit No. 135. 
Mr. FRITZ. That is the picture. 
Mr. BALL. That is the picture you showed him? 
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; that is a similar picture, that is a copy of the picture I showed him. 
Mr. BALL. You had had your laboratory enlarge the picture that your men had brought back from Irving? 
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; he said that wasn't his picture, he said, "I have been through that whole deal with all people in the cameras," he said, "One has taken my picture and that is my face and put a different body on it." He said, I know all about photography, I worked with photography for a long time. That is a picture that someone else has made. I never saw that picture in my life."
I said, "Wait just a minute, and I will show you one you have seen probably," and I showed him the little one this one was made from and when I showed him the little one he said, "I never have seen that picture, either." He said, "That is a picture that has been reduced from the big one." 
Mr. BALL. I Show you Commission No. 133, is that the small picture? 
Mr. FRITZ. The small picture; yes, sir. 
Mr. BALL. A picture Of the small picture? 
Mr. FRITZ. A picture of the small picture, I guess this is. 
Mr. BALL. There are two pictures on 133. Which one was it? 
Mr. FRITZ. On the left. 
Mr. BALL. The one on the left? 
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; the one holding the two papers. 
Mr. BELIN. As you face the picture? 
Mr. BALL. As you face the picture the one on the left? [Exhibit No. 133-A.] 
Mr. FRITZ. There is a lot of questioning in our mind about the time of this middle day questioning here. We checked it over and over and we can't be sure about the time and I don't want to go on record as not knowing whether this time is correct because it might not be. 
Mr. BALL. You mean 12:35? 
Mr. FRITZ. 12:35. 
Mr. BALL. But you do know this conversation---- 
Mr. FRITZ. I do know we talked to him a number of times all along, and these questions and answers are right, but the times may be off. 
Mr. BALL. You did show him this picture, a picture of Oswald with a rifle and pistol? 
Mr. FRITZ. I showed him that at one of those interviews, yes, sir. 
Mr. BALL. And he denied that that was a picture of him. 
Mr. FRITZ. That is true; yes, sir; that is right. 

The blown-up picture shown to Oswald did show the rifle and the pistol.  The only way Curry's statement makes sense is if he saw a blow up of only a part of the photo. This would make sense if Curry means "pistol" when he says "gun" because a cropped blow-up would show part of the rifle, but not the pistol or holster.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 10 Jul 2013, 6:17 am

Greg and Frankie,

Thanks for looking into this. I think that Greg is probably right about the blow-up and Curry's confusion.

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