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Rushoman to Judgement

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Post by Guest on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 10:48 am

My minor boo-boo on the Rand-McNally, apologies. Embarassed On this particular map I've inked in dots w/ taped-on names beside them, for as many TSBD employees I could find. Some curiosities resulted, fer instance, Givens could have tossed a rock and hit Piper's place.

I'd marked the W.Neely house with Oswald's name, and in my emotional roshomon to judgement erroneously measured the 0.75 mile distance to the Thornton Expressway from there. It's closer to 1.0 miles, from 1026 North Beckley, and add about 3 1/2 blocks to my original estimate of 10 (or 9). The blocks are hard to say down near the expressway ramp, they get kinda short.

Between W. 8th and W. 9th is Melba Street, FWIW, which is nothing.

I always liked Albert from my days at Lancer, and thought we had a real good rapport. I remember particularly a thread about Jim Braden, how we dissassembled his alibi and showed he was in the Dal-Tex during the shooting. And elaborated on how this career criminal got let go by Sheriff Decker after being arrested by Roy Vaughan. Albert and I are allied in our thinking that Meyer Lansky was an arch-conspirator, and this episode seemed (and still does) to be a smoking gun indicting Lansky, since Braden was one of his drug couriers. Jacob Rubenstein, I'm convinced, received his orders to kill Oswald late Friday afternoon from Meyer Lansky.
It's been disheartening to see the dogs of war at Deep Politics go after him and kick him around for sport; I think this stemmed from his views on Lansky and Israel's ancillary role in the assassination, which I share, which are politically incorrect views to hold.

By the way, I'd be interested to learn whether Yates actually had a lawyer with him at the 1st FBI interview, was there more to it than just his uncle there, since I'd garnered this impression from Larry Hancock's Ed Forum post, and he must have got that impression himself from somewhere. Or was it at a different FBI interview?

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Post by greg parker on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 11:10 am

Richard, since Larry refers to "the" visit to the FBI, I'd assume he means the first one - especially since I'm pretty sure no other document mentions anyone except his wife being with him on any other visit.

I think Larry was probably recalling that someone was with him on that first visit and assumed it was a lawyer. It wasn't.

Any thoughts on Crafard as a candidate?

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Post by Guest on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 12:27 pm

Crafard's definitely a ripe possibility, but wasn't he missing his front teeth at the time? That was the issue that dissuaded me from thinking he was the Tippit killer- plus the 1" scar above his lip. Although he loved his Eisenhower jackets, I'd think that one of those facial defects would get noticed by the Davis sisters. The real killer may well have borrowed one of Crafard's jackets.

I may be misreading this map, but it looks to me that there are two closer ramps to hitch from, had Crafard started at Ruby's apartment. They're labeled 425B & 425C on this Rand-McNally. Ruby, just from memory, lived almost at the corner of Ewing & 10th, very near there, maybe a block away from that corner, at Marsalis Place. So for Crafard to use the Beckley ramp from there, entails a (ballpark) walk down Jefferson of around 0.6 miles. The 425B & 425C ramps would only be about 0.2 & 0.3 miles from Ruby's.

I definitely give Crafard the part of wearing that wool hat and carrying a rifle in case up to the knoll, out of that stopped pickup driven by Ruby mid-morning of November 22, as witnessed by Julia Mercer. And agree with Joan Mellen, that he actually hitched up to Michigan AFTER Oswald got shot. "Larry was deeply involved in the assassination'" his own brother told her.

He's another living witness, not always considered, and he's holed up with his secrets on Michigan's upper peninsula. I guess he's in his mid-70's right now.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 1:43 pm

Richard,

refer to Larry's Yates piece at CKTA - his first footnote mentions "Oswald" being seen having breakfast at Dobbs House in Oak Cliff.

This was at 10:00am on 11/20.

Dobbs House was at 1221 N Beckley.

Yates hitch-hiker was allegedly picked up at around 10:30 and taken to the corner of Elm and Houston. The Carousel is about a 10 minute walk from that drop off point.

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Post by greg parker on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 8:20 pm

This is the latest from Albert Doyle:
You have to understand bureaucratic doubletalk when viewing these documents. Farley is apparently completely tone deaf to the fact the statement "Yates showed no emotional response to these questions" is just another way of saying "Yates registered truthful reactions to all these questions".

If you know how a polygraph works it detects the body's physical reactions or "emotional responses". So for them to say Yates showed no emotional responses is just another way of saying the test showed he wasn't lying. It is a way of lying about his positive results without having to go to hell.


Get it?


Those trying to find out the dates of information release for the details of Yates' story are just dawdling against the obvious. Notice they haven't found anything yet? I'll give you a hint. They never will.

This is the point where Charles Drago would advise not to prolong the discussion. And I think he'd be right.

I'm sorry, Richard, but he is speaking out of ignorance here. Possibly wilfully so.

Jimmy di has responded with this:
I have never heard of not getting any reactions to control questions.

A control question is one in which the operator asks the witness a question that he can predict the outcome. HE does this to get good test readings to compare the relevant questions to.

An experienced operator knows the questions to ask here in order to get the desired result.

For instance, if he wants to get a truthful answer, he will ask him for the color of his car. OR how many kids he has. Or how long he has been married.

To get a negative response he will ask a question to which he thinks the witness will try and conceal something in order to get a deceptive criteria on the machine. These are easy to find or probe with. Since everyone has certain things they try and conceal. Usually of a personal nature.

To not to be able to get a reading on control questions is really unusual. I have heard of the other type, where the witness is so hyped up the machine is going off the rails. But to get no reaction at all, I don't think I have ever come across that.

To answer Jim's question, one possibility is if someone is in the habit of lying, tell-tale physiological signs can diminish over time. Note that the person does not have to be a good or clever liar for this to happen. It just happens in the same way your body will adjust to all sorts of things.

Mental illness will do it to, too. Either send the needle into hyperdrive or send it to sleep (as we see here)

Ditto some anti-depressants and anti-psychotics.

Assuming he did in fact show no responses to either control or relevant questions, the FBI assessment is 100% accurate. The test is null and void.


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Post by greg parker on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 8:22 pm

Hasan Yusuf wrote:
greg parker wrote:A solution has come to me that may satisfy nearly everyone in this dog-fight.

Oak Cliff

Jack Ruby

Carousel

Those are the key phrases.

Jack Ruby lived in Oak Cliff.

Larry Crafard looked somewhat similar to Oswald and worked for Ruby.

Ruby was known to eat at Dobb's House. Oswald was allegedly seen there with Ruby. This was almost certainly Crafard.

Crafard was a known hitch-hiker. He hitch-hiked to Michigan after the assassination.

What say this hiker was Crafard, and the mention of the Carousel and Ruby were simply because Ruby was his employer and the Carousel was where he was headed... on Commerce...


I think you could really be onto something with the above, Greg.

Thanks, Hasan... we'll never prove it was him, but at least a good circumstantial case can be made.

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Post by Guest on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 9:27 pm

Surely the only way anyone could tell if Crafard had his front teeth missing was if he opened his mouth? The scar certainly does not jump off the HSCA photograph and with his mouth closed of course you cannot tell that his front teeth are missing:

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/c/c1/Photo_hsca_mugbook_025_lcrafard.jpg

We know that Robert Kermit Patterson, from the Electronics Store that Ruby went to to inquire about having his PA system replaced, more than likely mistook Crafard (who was with Ruby) for Lee Oswald and mentioned nothing about a scar or missing teeth. We are informed through Patterson's FBI interview that Ruby and the Oswald double were in the store for one hour. They got the tattoo on the left forearm but mention nothing about a scar or missing teeth.

I'm 100% with Greg that this "Oswald" was Crafard and if three guys in a store with Crafard didn't notice missing teeth or a scar then I doubt the Davis sisters would notice with a 10 second glimpse.

I did mistakenly misremember the timeframe for the Electroncis store visit. I thought it was a couple of days before the assassination but it was a couple of weeks.

Interview with Patterson (3 pages):

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=56999&relPageId=47

As Greg has pointed out to me, we know that Crafard's wife turned out to be a lesbian (paragraph 2):

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Crafard_Ex_5226.pdf

Out of interest do any of you guys know if in 1963 the word "gay" was a) Used as a reference to homosexuals and b) Used in Dallas? Are there any 1963 reports were the word "gay" is used to refer to homosexuals? EDIT: Answered my own question. I'm a lazy beavis sometimes. More to come...


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Post by Guest on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 10:16 pm

The scar at the lip and hint of missing teeth are better shown in the Warren Commission photos of Crafard in Vol XVII pp. 173-174:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0100a.htm

Joan Mellen had said in her "A Farewell to Justice" that Ruby occasionally called Crafard "Oswald". I think she had a phone interview with Craford (he changed the spelling), and spoke directly with his brother up in Northern Michigan. She'd be the channel to attempt contact with Curtis LaVerne. Who I'm sure has a lot of answers. You'd wish that someone like Dallas DA Craig Watkins could get this guy on the stand, so he'd be grilled and made to answer truthfully.

Crafard did confide to researcher Peter Whitmey that he'd been a "hit man" in the 60's. I always interpreted that as pertaining to his post-carnival barker days & post-assassination days, conjecturing that he got tangled up with the Jewish mob, but am only guessing.

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Post by Guest on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 11:32 pm

So the term "gay" was part of the Dallas language in the 1960's:

"PATTERSON stated that on the evening of November 26, 1963, he was at one of the "gay" spots in town, specifically, The Villa-Fontana, 1315 Skiles. PATTERSON said that he was broke and prevailed upon JERRY, the bartender, at the Villa-Fontana, to set up some beer for him. While at the bar drinking, JERRY, the bartender, introduced him to another chap named JERRY, who was also sitting at the bar. JERRY, the bartender, who is a member of the "gay" set in Dallas, vouched for PATTERSON's standing with the "gay" set to the other JERRY, and the conversation thereupon flowed freely. During the conversation the unknown JERRY, the customer, whom PATTERSON described at about 33 years old, heavy set, approximately 5 feet 7 inches, dark hair and round face, made the statement that he is the former lover of JACK RUBY. PATTERSON also heard one or the other of the JERRY's mention that GEORGE SENATOR, roommate of JACK RUBY's at the time of RUBY's arrest, was also a "gay" person."

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=146655&imageOnly=true

Will you guy's have a quick look at the following Larry Crafard exhibit please?

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Crafard_Ex_5227.pdf

It is a letter from Larry Crafard to someone called "Gail" or "Gale." The handwriting isn't very legible in some parts but am I reading right at the the point where it says:

"I guess that for some stupid reason I hoped that you might have felt that I am gay, stupid of me I know but that just goes to show you that you can't trust yourself. Believe me you I tried to stop it from happening but there is no stopping some things like that. You can lie to your mind but not to your heart."

Am I reading the word "gay" right here? Unusual "G" but nothing else really fits.

The letter is incomplete as there are two pages and no real conclusion to the writing and it is unsigned but that might be because Larry claimed he rewrote it. However, the FBI claimed they had a signed version but only published the two pages that are in the exhibits that have no signature unless they were claiming Crafard's name in the top right hand corner is a "signature",

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=267431

The Warren Commission were more interested in protecting Larry Crafard's sensibilities than they were trying to find out what the hell the letter meant:

Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to hand you what I have marked as “Exhibit 5227” and I would like you to look at that and tell me if you recognize that.
(Letter marked Crafard Exhibit No. 5227 for identification.)
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; it is a letter I wrote.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you able to tell without having read that letter when it was you wrote it?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not the exact date. It was while I was working for Jack.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Can you recall how long it was before you left Dallas before you wrote that letter?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe about a week before I left Dallas.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall why you didn’t mail that letter?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, I don’t.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you read that letter through and tell us if that is the actual letter that you wrote?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; this is the letter I wrote.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you like that letter back?
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I would.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Would you mind if we made a photocopy?
Mr. CRAFARD. I wouldn’t mind it if you want it but that-but just give me a moment. I believe the reason I didn’t mail this letter because I had remembered - because I had rewrote the letter just about exactly as it is here, but in a neater hand.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And you actually did mail that letter?
Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long before you left Dallas did you mail that letter?
Mr. CRAFARD. It would have been about 1 week. About the same time I wrote it. I am not sure of it I am not definite of that. But I believe that is the reason, I have done so on several occasions, wrote a letter and then rewrote it so it would be neater.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I realize the letter is a personal letter. However, I think it reflects some things about your state of mind while you were in Dallas and your relationship to Jack Ruby that we would like to have for the record and maybe we can handle this by my giving you a copy of that letter.
Mr. CRAFARD. Have you got a copy?
Mr. GRIFFIN. I don’t have a photocopy of it but I have it has been written up in an FBI report and simply ask you if that is an accurate-the FBI report is an accurate rendition of the letter and then we can refer to it.
Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Crafard, I understand you have asked us to return to you the original of the letter written by you to “Dear Gale” covering the front and back of a page, which has a letterhead on it “Jack Ruby Associates, Dallas, Texas” and which has been identified in this deposition as Exhibit 5227. Normally when a witness produces a document before the Commission we make a photostatic copy, keep the copy and then give the witness his document back.
However, this document did not come into our possession in that way, you see.
Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. We got this document from the FBI. Therefore, we do not have authority to give it back to you. I will be glad to have a copy made for you if you would like to do that.
Mr. CRAFARD. That is all right.
Mr. HUBERT. Would you like a copy?
Mr. CRAFARD. No; there is no need to go to that trouble. It is just I had no idea I had left that particular letter. I know I didn’t do it on purpose. It was accidental, but I left it.

We also have more evidence of Larry Crafard using hitchhiking as a form of transport in October or November 1963 when he was picked up hitchhiking on the 900 block of Harry Hines Boulevard carrying some sort of bag:

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11517&relPageId=66

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11517&relPageId=67

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11517&relPageId=68

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Post by Guest on Tue 02 Apr 2013, 11:46 pm

Mr. HUBEBT. Did you hear people express the view that he was homosexual?
Mr. CRAFARD. Not people that I met after I went to work for him. But this friend of mine that met him the same night I did, him and I were pretty well agreed on the subject that he seemed to be quite that type.
Mr. HUBERT. What was the name of that friend?
Mr. CRAFARD. I don't even remember his name. He was a carnival worker,
he worked at the carnival.
Mr. HUBERT. It was not one of the owners? __
Mr. CRAFARD. Just a worker.
Mr. HUBERT. And he was not homosexual himself?
Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir ; he was a pretty straight kid.
Mr. HUBERT. How do you square that off, that opinion of him, with the fact that he was going out with a girl that you have identified in that Exhibit 5200 A, B, C, D, and E?
Mr. CRAFARD. I have known several people of this type that were married and had families.

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Post by Guest on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 12:45 am

Let's consider that Laura Kittrell claimed to have met with "a" LHO at the Texas Employment Commission, possibly on Wednesday November 20...

...but I'm working from memory here and , once again, may have my dates mixed up.

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Post by Guest on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 1:03 am

MEMORANDUM

TO: All Staff Members
FROM: Mr. Burt W. Griffin

March 13, 1964

We have encountered four persons who are known by name and have been mistaken, because of their appearance, for Oswald:

1. Robert Ahler
Age. 30-35
Height. 5'10"
Weight. 170 lbs
Hair. Dark blonde curly
Eyes. Blue
Complexion. Acne
See commission doc. 106.41

2. Lee Harris
Age. 21
Height. 5'6"
Weight. 135 lbs
Hair. Light brown
Eyes. Brown
Complexion. Med
Wore metal framed glasses
Wore thin mustache
Address: McAllen, Texas

3. Dudley Lee Ferrell
Age. 28
Height. 5'8 1/2"
Weight. 160lbs
Hair. Dark, receding
Eyes. Brown
Address: 1015 San Lorenzo, Dallas, Texas
See commission doc. 6.323

4. Larry Crafard aka Curtis Laverne Crafard
Age. 22
Height. 5'8"
Weight. 150 lbs
Hair. Brown
Eyes. Brown
Complexion. Med
1/2" scar center of upper lip
Former employee of Ruby
See commission doc. 84.147

Oswald's description as obtained from the autopsy includes the following:

Height. 5'9"
Weight. 150 lbs
Hair. Dark blonde curly
1/16th" abrasion to the left of middle line upper lip

Mr. J. Edgar Hoover is being requested to provide six copies of appropriate photographs of Harris, Ahler, Crafard and Ferrell, together with a personal history of each, including their activities between September 26, 1963 and January 1, 1964. Please advise me if you have any other names to add to the list.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 1:17 am

Lee,

The handwriting in that Crafard exhibit is probably the worst I've ever read, but I think that what you made out from it is correct. Somebody should have given Crafard proper handwriting lessons.

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Post by Guest on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 2:03 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Lee,

The handwriting in that Crafard exhibit is probably the worst I've ever read, but I think that what you made out from it is correct. Somebody should have given Crafard proper handwriting lessons.

Thanks for your perspective, Hasan.

Let's see what Greg and Richard think and if we've got the four of us saying the same thing then I'm claiming a home run.

It's interesting isn't it, how Hubert glosses over the content. Offering to give Crafard the letter back because it was "personal." I don't believe we have the whole letter. But they had Crafard on the stand for days. His testimony goes on for hundreds of pages. They were specifically asking about Jack Ruby's possible homosexuality but failed to ask Crafard about his given the content of the letter that they had in their damn hands.

Unbelievable Shocked

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 6:20 am

Lee David Farley wrote:
Hasan Yusuf wrote:Lee,

The handwriting in that Crafard exhibit is probably the worst I've ever read, but I think that what you made out from it is correct. Somebody should have given Crafard proper handwriting lessons.

Thanks for your perspective, Hasan.

Let's see what Greg and Richard think and if we've got the four of us saying the same thing then I'm claiming a home run.

It's interesting isn't it, how Hubert glosses over the content. Offering to give Crafard the letter back because it was "personal." I don't believe we have the whole letter. But they had Crafard on the stand for days. His testimony goes on for hundreds of pages. They were specifically asking about Jack Ruby's possible homosexuality but failed to ask Crafard about his given the content of the letter that they had in their damn hands.

Unbelievable Shocked

I certainly agree that it's unbelievable, Lee. And as you undoubtedly know better than myself, practically everything concerning this case is unbelievable. I mean, Johnny Brewer giving his first statement to the DPD 14 days after the assassination, Oswald's jacket being "discovered" more than 3 weeks after the assassination in the TSBD, the memories of certain witnesses remarkably improving over time etc.

I wish I could contribute more to this fascinating discussion, but I'm probably gonna be pretty busy with my damn review of the Don Thomas book. My guess is that both Greg and Richard will agree with us about the Crafard letter.

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Post by Guest on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 7:10 am

Richard Gilbride wrote:
The scar at the lip and hint of missing teeth are better shown in the Warren Commission photos of Crafard in Vol XVII pp. 173-174:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0100a.htm

It sure does, Richard, but it still didn't stick out like a sore thumb to Patterson who was with Crafard/Oswald for over an hour.

Richard Gilbride wrote:
Joan Mellen had said in her "A Farewell to Justice" that Ruby occasionally called Crafard "Oswald". I think she had a phone interview with Craford (he changed the spelling), and spoke directly with his brother up in Northern Michigan.

I'm sure you already know this, Richard, but in case the likes of Hasan doesn't; Crafard's real name was Craford. He claims the military misspelled it as Crafard when he joined up and so decided to keep it.

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Hasan Yusuf wrote:
Lee David Farley wrote:
Hasan Yusuf wrote:Lee,

The handwriting in that Crafard exhibit is probably the worst I've ever read, but I think that what you made out from it is correct. Somebody should have given Crafard proper handwriting lessons.

Thanks for your perspective, Hasan.

Let's see what Greg and Richard think and if we've got the four of us saying the same thing then I'm claiming a home run.

It's interesting isn't it, how Hubert glosses over the content. Offering to give Crafard the letter back because it was "personal." I don't believe we have the whole letter. But they had Crafard on the stand for days. His testimony goes on for hundreds of pages. They were specifically asking about Jack Ruby's possible homosexuality but failed to ask Crafard about his given the content of the letter that they had in their damn hands.

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I certainly agree that it's unbelievable, Lee. And as you undoubtedly know better than myself, practically everything concerning this case is unbelievable. I mean, Johnny Brewer giving his first statement to the DPD 14 days after the assassination, Oswald's jacket being "discovered" more than 3 weeks after the assassination in the TSBD, the memories of certain witnesses remarkably improving over time etc.

I wish I could contribute more to this fascinating discussion, but I'm probably gonna be pretty busy with my damn review of the Don Thomas book. My guess is that both Greg and Richard will agree with us about the Crafard letter.

I once was flabbergasted by the time it took them to formally interview the likes of Brewer and Postal, Hasan. It was Greg who gave me the best explanation that made me understand it better. On the afternoon of 11/24 the case was all but shut once Oswald was declared dead. The "investigation" was all but dead too. It wasn't until the Warren Commission was announced that the different agencies shit a brick and ran out to do the work they should have been doing throughout the end of November and early December. I think you'll find the interviews of the likes of Brewer and Postal, as well as the submission of many outstanding DPD reports all coincide with the announcement of the Warren Commission. I'm sure the jacket being found also coincided with it.

Something to consider as you stumble onto things in the future...

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Post by greg parker on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 7:29 am

Lee,

Here's what I get, in part,

"I thought you could tell it by looking at my face and the way I touched you & talked to you. I guess that for some stupid reason I thought you may have felt the same way."

The big question is - is it addressed to "Gail" or "Gale" because the former would more than likely denote "female" and the latter, a "male" - as in the actor Gale Gordon.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 7:41 am

Got it. The letter was addressed to a "Gale"- however it was a female. More soon.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 7:51 am

Okay. The sensitivity was due to the fact that he was hitting on his first cousin - Gale Ann Cascaddan.

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=360842

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Post by Guest on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 8:02 am

greg parker wrote:Lee,

Here's what I get, in part,

"I thought you could tell it by looking at my face and the way I touched you & talked to you. I guess that for some stupid reason I thought you may have felt the same way."

The big question is - is it addressed to "Gail" or "Gale" because the former would more than likely denote "female" and the latter, a "male" - as in the actor Gale Gordon.

Jeez, I was looking at that fucking word for nearly two hours. I had "gay" on the brain. You come along and see it in 5 seconds. Stupid time zones! Why can't you be awake when I'm awake?

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Post by Guest on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 8:08 am

greg parker wrote:Okay. The sensitivity was due to the fact that he was hitting on his first cousin - Gale Ann Cascaddan.

https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=360842

The reason the group of pioneers moving West set up the two different towns of Springfield and Shelbyville in The Simpsons:

Shelby: "I won't live in a town that won't let us marry our cousins."

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Post by greg parker on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 8:25 am

Stupid time zones! Why can't you be awake when I'm awake?

Very Happy I've had that thought about you guys many a time...

The reason the group of pioneers moving West set up the two different towns of Springfield and Shelbyville in The Simpsons:

Shelby: "I won't live in a town that won't let us marry our cousins."

That's how Tasmania started...

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Post by greg parker on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 8:30 am

Nice find on the hitch-hiking. btw.

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Post by Guest on Wed 03 Apr 2013, 9:12 am

greg parker wrote:Nice find on the hitch-hiking. btw.

At least my afternoon had one good find. My eyes are rectangles.

Crafard seems like one pretty messed up guy. And going back into the record concerning him is a nightmare. There's so much. It took me a couple of hours to read the first part of his WC testimony. Then all the other Carousel characters - it just starts swamping you once you head in. One minute you're looking for the time Crafard got up on 11/22 and the next minute your reading something about George Senator's scarves [the gayest in Dallas or so I'm told].

I'm thinking a Crafard hitchhiker is infinitely more plausible than the craziest CIA plot ever invented, Greg. It's my b'day tomorrow so will be taking a day off but on Thursday I think I'll start piecing Crafard's whereabouts together over the assassination week.

I see "Harvey's" mastoid scar has risen it's ugly ear, I mean, head again?

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