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    Reclaiming Parkland

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by greg parker on Tue 08 Oct 2013, 7:23 am

    Hasan Yusuf wrote:
    James DiEugenio wrote:I told her Stone was re-releasing JFK next month and she thought that was a great opportunity to do another one.
    Look forward to seeing you back on the show, Jim.
    All jokes aside, if the first interview is any guide, the second should be a cracker -- and it would be great if it generated interest with other talk show hosts looking to have guest leading up to the 50th.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by James DiEugenio on Tue 08 Oct 2013, 11:37 am

    Greg, unfortunately she's married.

    If she wasn't, now.....

    I mean its not often you find a TV host that smart and informed.  SHe has written for the New York Times and Huffpo.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Guest on Tue 08 Oct 2013, 12:18 pm

    Just watched the interview, Jim. Fabulous scope & depth on your part as to WC appearance vs. conspiracy reality that gets avoided in the Parkland film script. Alison Hope Weiner is sharp & informed and kept the conversation dynamic & fluid. A+ all the way.


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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by James DiEugenio on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 11:38 am

    Thanks Richard.

    Many of these people do not even read the book you send them or the manuscript.

    She read the manuscript, and then had the book at her studio.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Guest on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 12:30 pm

    Also really enjoyed the tangent discussion you got into about Marshall Zhukov and how WWII was really won on the Russian Front. Which gets omitted from nearly every US history discussion of that war, since they focus on D-Day, the Battle of Britain, etc. And this kind of home-team history fosters the patriotism of guys like Tom Hanks.

    I had a similar discussion with my girlfriend a couple weeks ago, but didn't have your handy command of percentages- 80% of the Wehrmacht were deployed in Operation Barbarossa, 90% of Germany's army casualties were in Russia. And she has a masters, but was surprised to learn that WWII was essentially Germany vs. Russia. So Hanks' understanding- a Saving Private Ryan perspective on US war hstory- is very commonplace.

    That Nazi vs. Bolshevik tension would have been a big problem had JFK's proposal for a joint US-USSR space program ever got off the launch pad. Wernher von Braun, Arthur Rudolph, Kurt Debus, and hordes of other Paperclip scientists, sharing their technological secrets with the Russkies? I think some serious friction would have resulted. And this was realized by NASA chief James Webb and other bigwig military-industrialist technocrats. Probably why a September 18, 1963 White House meeting with Webb- 2 days before JFK's joint lunar mission proposal at the UN- is not yet declassified.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Albert Rossi on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 1:58 pm

    All very true and cogent, Richard. 

    The "Soviets defeated Hitler" perspective is presented in the first episode of Oliver Stone's Untold History, by the way.  He also pretty much says that it was Truman and Churchill who were responsible for the Cold War.  I know that the series is somewhat uneven, but I certainly can agree with this take on WWII and its aftermath.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by greg parker on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 4:21 pm

    Albert Rossi wrote:All very true and cogent, Richard. 

    The "Soviets defeated Hitler" perspective is presented in the first episode of Oliver Stone's Untold History, by the way.  He also pretty much says that it was Truman and Churchill who were responsible for the Cold War.  I know that the series is somewhat uneven, but I certainly can agree with this take on WWII and its aftermath.
    I know this is getting off topic, but since I have not seen the series, can I ask if he tackled the Korean skirmish, and if so, what his take on it was?

    The Korean POW issue is at the very heart of the making of the Oswald legend. I have also come to certain conclusions of my own about who started the war and why...

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Albert Rossi on Wed 09 Oct 2013, 11:41 pm

    To be frank, I have only viewed the first couple of episodes, and I don't recall that Korea is treated there.  I've been planning to watch the rest, but haven't had the chance.  They are all available here, I think:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzqro8_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep01_school?search_algo=2

    Also, I recommend JimD's review of the book:

    http://consortiumnews.com/2013/01/01/how-america-became-an-empire/
    http://consortiumnews.com/2013/01/11/americas-bloody-price-for-power/

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by James DiEugenio on Thu 10 Oct 2013, 12:34 am

    As far as I recall, Oliver and Peter did not really get into the genesis of the Korean War that much.  Which is hotly disputed.

    Its really something though about the whole Russian/German issue.  On her You Tube channel,she excerpted that segment on Hanks and his view of history, and that is really raising a ruckus, especially that part where I talk about how the war was won in Russia.  People think that is un American or something.

    Not at all.  I am just assigning credit to where it belongs.  The USSR took on by far the largest brunt of the German war machine. If that force had been in Europe at the time, Eisenhower could never have invaded either Italy or France with any degree of success.  The combination of Panzer tanks and the Luftwaffe would have stopped the amphibious assault at Normandy.  

    But both of these segments had been largely depleted by 1944 by the failure of Barbarossa.

    But you don't get any of that with Hanks and his favorite historian Ambrose.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by greg parker on Thu 10 Oct 2013, 7:51 am

    Thank you Albert & Jim.

    Wrt WWII, I think a football analogy is in order. Don't know much about American football, but no matter the type - they all have one thing in common - players whose position in the team is non-glamorous, but requires all the hard work for little recognition. Without them doing their job, the glamor guys (quarterbacks in your game?)can't shine in one or two little plays and take all the glory. 

    I look forward to seeing seeing your opinions on my Korean War section of the book.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Stan Dane on Mon 14 Oct 2013, 2:35 am

    Joseph McBride started a thread over at ED: "RECLAIMING PARKLAND by James DiEugenio." Highly positive review.
     
    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20536

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Albert Rossi on Mon 14 Oct 2013, 3:35 am

    Great review, Jim, congrats.  The keynote seems to be "devastating".  Indeed.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by James DiEugenio on Mon 14 Oct 2013, 3:56 pm

    Thanks Al.

    Hey, if DVP is up in arms, I did my job.

    I told Joe, anytime I get compared with Sylvia Meagher, that makes my day.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Albert Rossi on Thu 31 Oct 2013, 9:18 am

    Hasan has posted a review of Jim's book.

    Great job, Hasan!

    http://www.ctka.net/reviews/reclaiming_parkland.html

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Hasan Yusuf on Thu 31 Oct 2013, 8:26 pm

    Albert Rossi wrote:Hasan has posted a review of Jim's book.

    Great job, Hasan!

    http://www.ctka.net/reviews/reclaiming_parkland.html
    Thanks, Albert.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Guest on Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:45 pm

    Jim,

    Have you had any push back at all from Hanks et al since the books publication?

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by James DiEugenio on Sat 02 Nov 2013, 12:24 pm

    No I have not.  I really wish he did say something.

    But no, nothing.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by greg parker on Sat 02 Nov 2013, 12:39 pm

    James DiEugenio wrote:No I have not.  I really wish he did say something.

    But no, nothing.
    Ignoring you is their only viable option.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 03 Nov 2013, 7:06 am

    James DiEugenio wrote:No I have not.  I really wish he did say something.

    But no, nothing.
    Can you honestly blame Hanks for his silence, Jim? I mean, you left him with so much egg to wipe off his face, he's probably buried his head in the sand. I'm a smartass &

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by greg parker on Sun 03 Nov 2013, 12:30 pm

    Hasan Yusuf wrote:
    James DiEugenio wrote:No I have not.  I really wish he did say something.

    But no, nothing.
    Can you honestly blame Hanks for his silence, Jim? I mean, you left him with so much egg to wipe off his face, he's probably buried his head in the sand. I'm a smartass &
    It would be a huge mistake for them to take Jim on. He is on the right side of the argument, so why draw attention to him when they are the ones who are the darlings of the MSM, and hog all the newsprint and airwaves?

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 03 Nov 2013, 6:58 pm

    greg parker wrote:It would be a huge mistake for them to take Jim on. He is on the right side of the argument, so why draw attention to him when they are the ones who are the darlings of the MSM, and hog all the newsprint and airwaves?
    Excellent point, Greg.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Hasan Yusuf on Fri 29 Nov 2013, 11:52 pm

    Just curious, but has anyone else here read all of Reclaiming Parkland? Maybe we could get a discussion going on it.

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    Post by Guest on Sat 30 Nov 2013, 1:40 am

    I'd struggle to find time to read the ingredients list on the side of an egg carton right now, Hasan.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by Martin Hay on Sat 30 Nov 2013, 3:46 am

    I'm on page 237 and I only got it Wednesday!

    Superb book in every sense.

    But I've really gotta go back to reading that awful Howard Willens book so I can write my review.

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    Re: Reclaiming Parkland

    Post by James DiEugenio on Sat 30 Nov 2013, 3:58 am

    By the way, Oliver really likes it a lot.

    Because it goes after Bugliosi I think.

    Someone told me on his Facebook page he lists it second to the Douglass book.

    And martin, when you get done, go to Hasan's review, because at the end, there is a link to the expurgated pages.  They cut about 55 pages out.  And they are all good.  They eliminated the whole chapter on Mexico City which I thought was one of the best chapters in the book.

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