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Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

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Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by Vinny on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 8:55 pm

One of the interesting things about the JFK case is that Oswald's older brother Robert defends the Warren Report and believes his brother is guilty? I find it quite puzzling. Was he or his family threatened or something?

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by Redfern on Tue 27 Aug 2013, 9:49 pm

Robert Oswald and his attorney were invited out to lunch with Allen Dulles and Albert Jenner during the Warren hearings.

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by Vinny on Wed 28 Aug 2013, 3:05 pm

Thanks for the info,Redfern.

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by James DiEugenio on Wed 28 Aug 2013, 3:15 pm

Does anyone know if this was kept?

Or any details about the meeting?

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by beowulf on Wed 28 Aug 2013, 11:40 pm

At some point, probably well before this lunch, someone from the federales would have told Robert:
"if you cooperate with us and agree Lee was a lone nut, the US Govt will tell anyone who asks (employers, lenders, reporters) that you're a solid American of proven loyalty. If you don't cooperate and starting talking about a conspiracy, we'll put the word out that Lee implicated you as part of it and you only skated because he died before he made a written statement."

This was probably a thanks for getting with the program luncheon. Surprised)

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by Vinny on Thu 29 Aug 2013, 7:01 pm

beowulf wrote:At some point, probably well before this lunch, someone from the federales would have told Robert:
"if you cooperate with us and agree Lee was a lone nut, the US Govt will tell anyone who asks (employers, lenders, reporters) that you're a solid American of proven loyalty. If you don't cooperate and starting talking about a conspiracy, we'll put the word out that Lee implicated you as part of it and you only skated because he died before he made a written statement."

This was probably a thanks for getting with the program luncheon. Surprised)
I guess that is quite possible.

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by Guest on Fri 30 Aug 2013, 6:19 am

Because its easy to stab a dead man?  Even if the dead man is your brother, with the right pressure points leant on most people will fall in line.

Robert had a front row seat when viewing how his outspoken mother was portrayed in the media and treated by the authorities.

It's one thing having:

a) A family and employment prospects to protect
b) No information that could shed light on the framing of your brother

Versus having:

a) A family and employment prospects to protect
b) Some information that could shed light on the framing of your brother

My guess would Robert fell into the second category.

To answer Jim's question about the Jenner-Dulles-Robert Oswald meeting I wrote a little bit about it at the EF some years ago.  I'll try and dig it out.

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by beowulf on Fri 30 Aug 2013, 10:33 am

Its hard to fault Robert Oswald for not speaking up for his deceased brother when Robert Kennedy looked the other way instead of pursuing his own brother's killers. With the resources he had as both the son of a billionaire and the freakin' Attorney General of the United States, not even President Johnson could have stopped Bob Kennedy if he had chosen to jump into the Dallas investigation with both feet. But he didn't, and he resented Jim Garrison for reminding people he had flinched (he'd later resent Eugene McCarthy for the same reason--- the antiwar Sen. McCarthy only ran against LBJ after RFK initially declined to run).


Bobby may also have resented Garrison for disrupting Kennedy’s grand plan, to go public with his conspiracy conclusions only after he had become president. In turn, Garrison could never understand Bobby’s reluctance to join forces and track down the assassins. “If they killed my brother,” Garrison said, “I’d be in the alley waiting for them with a steak knife, not sitting at the Kennedy Center watching a ballet with them.”
http://www.texasobserver.org/2565-chasing-assassins-bobby-kennedy-died-believing-his-brothers-killers-had-not-been-found/

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by capone81 on Fri 30 Aug 2013, 1:44 pm

Robert Oswald's relationships with Lee and his mother seem very odd. It always seemed to me like he and Lee weren't very close. 

One thing that seems interesting however is the fact that Robert claimed Lee wasn't political. That seems to run counter to Lee's highly political activities in 1963 and adds to the suspicion that much of what he did publicly was staged...

From the Frontline interview with Robert Oswald:

Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two?


When Lee got back from Russia, the way he talked about the Russian system, he didn't talk about it politically, in the sense that he was wrapped up in communism or Marxism. He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. ...
He wasn't political. He really wasn't. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. When he returned to the United States, he didn't want to be a Russian. He wanted to be an American, to be accepted by the American society, and so wherever he was ... he wanted to be accepted. He wasn't political. He was what's convenient to be. 

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Re: Why Does Robert Oswald Support The WC?

Post by Guest on Fri 30 Aug 2013, 3:50 pm

Lee David Farley wrote:Because its easy to stab a dead man?  Even if the dead man is your brother, with the right pressure points leant on most people will fall in line.

Robert had a front row seat when viewing how his outspoken mother was portrayed in the media and treated by the authorities.

It's one thing having:

a) A family and employment prospects to protect
b) No information that could shed light on the framing of your brother

Versus having:

a) A family and employment prospects to protect
b) Some information that could shed light on the framing of your brother

My guess would Robert fell into the second category.

To answer Jim's question about the Jenner-Dulles-Robert Oswald meeting I wrote a little bit about it at the EF some years ago.  I'll try and dig it out.
Oh God! I just want to scream, America Is A One Party Oligarchy with Two Right Wings. The lockdown knows no limits and in the lengths of its extremism, it defies imagination.

Lee Farley Posted 24 May 2011 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17269&p=226392
........
Even the Warren Commission staff members (the members that you try to exonerate of all wrong-doing) thought this was complete hooey.

http://www.maryferre...392&relPageId=1
http://www.maryferre...392&relPageId=2
http://www.maryferre...392&relPageId=3

It's also intersting to note that in the same Staff Meeting memo it states that Robert Oswald, on Friday the 21st of February, was dining out at Hogate's restaurant. At the restaurant were Robert Oswald, his attorney William McKenzie, Albert Jenner and Allen Dulles. The reason the meal is brought up is because the Warren Commission members were trying to discuss where certain leaked information, falling into the hands of members of the press, was coming from. The press was reporting that Robert Oswald had suspicions that his brother may have been a Soviet Agent on his return from the USSR because his hair had thinned and changed texture when he met him. The meal at Hogate's, where Robert was dining it up with Allen Dulles, was smack bang in the middle of his Warren Commission testimony that took place February 20th, 21st and 22nd, 1964. Jenner puts forward the suggestion at the staff meeting that it is possible that someone could have been listening in to their conversation from a nearby table. Interestingly Jenner claims that they may also have been discussing Oswald's "possible role as a Soviet agent" during the meal and also in the cab ride after dinner to the Lincoln Memorial.......
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/opinion/30iht-edcarroll.4.6900205.html
....Yet, speaking of history, this conjuring of the appearance of opposition where none actually exists has been mandated by the American political system since the onset of the Cold War. The quadrennial political puppet show, highlighting not opposition but its appearance, is essential to keeping the captive-taking war machine running and to inoculating the American people from the viral knowledge that they themselves were first to be captured.....

.....Sinclair Lewis, for his part, showed how the simultaneously banalizing methods of capitalist enterprise (false advertising, consumerism, pieties of affluence, amoral bureaucracy) are exactly what that enterprise created to keep from being criticized. ......

Southern Methodist University Staff Fiercely Protest Bush ...
thinkprogress.org/politics/2006/12/18/9235/bush-library-2/‎
Dec 18, 2006 - The New York Daily News reported last month that President Bush and ... to “reconsider and to rescind SMU's pursuit of the presidential library.

New Bush Exhibit Opens Rift at S.M.U. - NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/us/22bush.html‎
Oct 21, 2010 - George W. Bush Presidential Library, via Associated Press ... scene of some of the more spectacular protests against his administration, moving .....
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,8585.msg250204.html#msg250204
Coincidences Related to the Walling off of Marina Oswald, 1963 to 1978
Tom Scully June 22, 2013,

Deleted in the Simkin, 10,000+ posts purge last month. (Were we getting too warm, re: details posted by those who fell into disfavor?):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3nBG5Uk-18gJ:educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D20140+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-nightly
Tom Scully Posted 24 April 2013 -

If you bill a client for legal representation, but you've agreed in advance to snitch on her to the government, do you risk
being disbarred for a gross ethics violation and other professional misconduct? This is the lawyer who signed off on Marina's
exclusive book deal with Harper Brothers / Priscilla Johnson. He was Declan Ford's recommendation and Ford's personal lawyer.
Declan Ford informed on Marina to the FBI, too. The only positive thing I read in this file was that Ford stated that if Marina
retained this snitch lawyer,
and Declan Ford as her manager, William A. McKenzie could no longer represent Ford, as well.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10098&relPageId=39
The only two individuals besides employees of credit bureaus the FBI included statements from with regard to the backgrounds of Declan and Katherine Ford were Max Clark and George Bouhe.....
http://www.dallasnews.com/obituary-headlines/20100426-William-Allen-Billy-Mac-3765.ece
William Allen 'Billy Mac' McKenzie: Longtime Dallas attorney active on Texas AandM board, in GOP politics
By JOE SIMNACHER / The Dallas Morning News jsimnacher@dallasnews.com
Published: 26 April 2010 02:32 AM
Updated: 26 November 2010 02:52 PM

William Allen "Billy Mac" McKenzie mentored many young attorneys during his more than 50 years as a Dallas lawyer.

He was active in Republican politics and supported Texas A&M University throughout his adult life, serving as a member and chairman of the Board of Regents.

Mr. McKenzie, 87, died April 18 of natural causes at his Dallas home.

A celebration of his life will be at 4 p.m. Monday at Highland Park Presbyterian Church, where he was a member. He donated his remains to the Willed Body Program at UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas.

U.S. District Judge A. Joe Fish said he learned much of what he knows from Mr. McKenzie.

"Bill was a wonderful mentor. He taught me a lot about the practice of law," Judge Fish said. "I carried his briefcases for probably 10 or 12 years."

Mr. McKenzie was a warm, gregarious person with a gift for gab - and a wonderful trial lawyer, Judge Fish said.

"He had a great instinct for the law," Judge Fish said. "He was not a legal scholar, but he generally knew instinctively what the law was in a given area."

Peter McKenzie of Dallas said his father had a passion for the law.

"He loved the opportunity of helping people through the law," his son said.

Mr. McKenzie, a 1946 Texas A&M graduate, remained fiercely loyal to his alma mater. He was chairman of the Board of Regents when President George H.W. Bush selected the College Station campus as the site for his presidential library and museum.

"Bill McKenzie was a loyal friend and a great Aggie," Mr. Bush said in a prepared statement Friday. "I knew him as a man with reasonable and strong political judgment. We will surely miss him and send our love to his family."

Mr. McKenzie was born in Columbus, Ga., and grew up in Washington, D.C., and in Houston, where he graduated from Reagan High School in 1939.

An only child, Mr. McKenzie took the train from Houston to College Station, where he worked his way through college, his son said.

"A&M was his family," his son said. "He was a self-made man."

Mr. McKenzie left Texas A&M soon after the attack on Pearl Harbor to serve during World War II. He was a captain and company commander for an Army combat engineering battalion with Gen. George S. Patton.

"He was the first American officer to enter Buchenwald concentration camp," Peter McKenzie said.

After the war, Mr. McKenzie completed his undergraduate studies at Texas A&M and continued his education at Southern Methodist University, where he received his law degree in 1949.

Mr. McKenzie was a Dallas County assistant district attorney before entering a law practice with Angus G. Wynne Sr. that became Wynne & McKenzie.

In the early 1960s, Mr. McKenzie and Henry Baer formed the law firm of McKenzie & Baer.

Mr. McKenzie represented Marina Oswald, wife of accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, and her brother-in-law, Robert Oswald, before the Warren Commission. While before the commission, Mr. McKenzie met future president Gerald Ford.

"They forged a lifelong friendship," Peter McKenzie said. "Dad and President Ford were very close."

Mr. McKenzie was chairman of the Dallas County Republican Party from 1974 to 1980 and was a member of the Executive Committee for the Texas GOP.

He was a 33rd-degree Mason with 50 years of service, and was a life member of the Salesmanship Club of Dallas. His civic duties included serving as a trustee of Children's Medical Center Dallas and as a founding member of the Thanks-Giving Square Committee.

Mr. McKenzie's wife, Sally Freeman McKenzie, died March 14.

In addition to his son, Mr. McKenzie is survived by a daughter, Martha Freeman McKenzie Hill of Little Rock, Ark.; and four grandchildren.
11 Feb., 1964:
Robert Oswald further advised that,that same evening Carl Schafer recommended William A. McKenzie of Dallas as an attorney with whom Robert might discuss the contract 'between Marina and Martin.....

BTW, both
Robert Oswald (1) and ]Marina (2) signed waivers of attorney client privilege authorizing their attorney, McKenzie to provide the FBI with any information Robert or Marina had provided to McKenzie, but he still pledged to the FBI to inform on Marina without her knowledge.

(1) http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_272.pdf

(2) http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_273.pdf

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