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Hoover memo, 11/22/63

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Hoover memo, 11/22/63

Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sat 21 Sep 2013, 5:27 am

Some time ago, I came across this very interesting memo by Hoover sent to his subordinates on 11/22/63, at 4:01 pm, and thought I’d post it.
 
http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/23279/rec/65
 
“I also advised him [RFK] that we have received information that a woman notified Police authorities at Long Beach that she was told a few days ago that the President would be killed in Dallas by some man friend of hers, when he arrived in Dallas today. I stated we are trying to find this woman and locate the man friend.”
 
The only Long Beach I’m aware of is Long Beach, California. Then there’s also this from the aforementioned memo:
 
“I advised him also that a telephone operator at the Woodner overheard a telephone conversation with a man in Texas in which the Washington man inquired whether or not it had been carried out and the man here said: “I will remain quiet then”. I said we reported this to the Secret Service and they have sent agents out to the Woodner apartments.”
 
The Woodner apartments in Washington D.C. (at 3636 16th Street NW):
 
http://www.yelp.com.au/biz/the-woodner-washington
 
The same information can be found in the following Weisberg file (plus a few other very interesting memos):
 
[url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/F Disk/FBI/FBI Director is Right/Item 05.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/F%20Disk/FBI/FBI%20Director%20is%20Right/Item%2005.pdf[/url]
 
Harold Weisberg apparently dismissed the information about the Woodner apartment phone call, because there allegedly were no records of this call, and because of the mistakes Hoover allegedly made (such as stating that Oswald had been confronted by two cops, shooting one of them dead). However, this doesn’t necessarily mean that Hoover stuffed up. Someone else, such as Gordon Shanklin, could simply have given him false information.
 
Also, since we know that both the FBI and Secret Service were in on the cover-up, I wouldn’t expect there to be any on the record files concerning this phone call.
 
Here’s something to consider for the time being:
 
“It is known that Barney Baker patronized the Woodner Hotel at Washington, D.C.”
 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=888232
 
Barney Baker, of course, was in contact with Jack Ruby in the latter part of 1963, leading up to the assassination. I’m not saying it was Baker who was on the phone at the Woodner apartments, or that it was Jack Ruby who was the man in Texas on the phone with the “Washington man”, but I’d keep that option open.

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Post by beowulf on Sat 21 Sep 2013, 9:10 am

Two things, 1. Hoover didn't waste any time here.  Remember DC is on the East Coast, an hour ahead of Central time zone, so this is 3:01 Dallas time, just 2 hours after President Kennedy was pronounced dead.
2.  Long Beach is the oil production part of metro Los Angeles.
"I also advised him [RFK] that we have received information that a woman notified Police authorities at Long Beach that she was told a few days ago that the President would be killed in Dallas by some man friend of hers, when he arrived in Dallas today
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Per wiki:

The Long Beach Oil Field  is a large oil field underneath the cities of Long Beach and Signal Hill, California, in the United States.


Hmm, who do we know in the oil business from the Los Angeles area... oh yes, this guy---
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"Voluntary Statement, by Jim Braden. Statement regarding use of a telephone inside the Texas School Book Depository after the assassination, (Photocopy), 11/22/63. 00001272 1 page 05 02 011" 1272-001.gif

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Re: Hoover memo, 11/22/63

Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sat 21 Sep 2013, 9:19 am

Thanks for that, Beowulf.

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Re: Hoover memo, 11/22/63

Post by greg parker on Sat 21 Sep 2013, 1:04 pm

beowulf wrote:Two things, 1. Hoover didn't waste any time here.  Remember DC is on the East Coast, an hour ahead of Central time zone, so this is 3:01 Dallas time, just 2 hours after President Kennedy was pronounced dead.
2.  Long Beach is the oil production part of metro Los Angeles.
"I also advised him [RFK] that we have received information that a woman notified Police authorities at Long Beach that she was told a few days ago that the President would be killed in Dallas by some man friend of hers, when he arrived in Dallas today
"
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Per wiki:

The Long Beach Oil Field  is a large oil field underneath the cities of Long Beach and Signal Hill, California, in the United States.


Hmm, who do we know in the oil business from the Los Angeles area... oh yes, this guy---
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"Voluntary Statement, by Jim Braden. Statement regarding use of a telephone inside the Texas School Book Depository after the assassination, (Photocopy), 11/22/63. 00001272 1 page 05 02 011" 1272-001.gif
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http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/po-arm/id/23279/rec/65
 
“I also advised him [RFK] that we have received information that a woman notified Police authorities at Long Beach that she was told a few days ago that the President would be killed in Dallas by some man friend of hers, when he arrived in Dallas today. I stated we are trying to find this woman and locate the man friend.”
[ltr]By 1953 they had moved to Beverly Hills. Eugene Hale Brading registered there as a convicted felon in July 1953. According to Peter Noyes they were associated with Arthur Lewis Clark, one of the leaders of the old Purple Gang from Detroit. The Purple Gang was part of the national crime syndicate in the 1930's. In April 1954 the United States Supreme Court reversed Victor Emanuel Pereira's conviction but upheld Eugene Hale Brading's. In March 1954 Eugene Hale Brading was in Maryland where he was charged with violations of the stolen properties act, mail fraud and conspiracy. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison where he remained until his release on parole in February 1959. In 1960 Eugene Hale Brading married Mildred Bollman, the wealthy widow of Bernard Bollman, the former Secretary-Treasurer of Teamster's Local 786 in McHenry County, Illinois. In 1932 Bernard Bollman was indicted for labor racketeering. In 1958 Bernard Bollman "accidentally shot himself twice in the stomach with a .45 caliber handgun."[/ltr]

[ltr]LA COSTA COUNTRY CLUB[/ltr]

[ltr]Eugene Hale Brading and Mildred Bollman moved to Palm Springs, California, where, according to Peter Noyes, they became charter members of the La Costa Country Club built with Teamster Union Pension Funds. Other charter members of the La Costa Country Club included Frank Sinatra and John "Jake the Barber" Factor, a relic of Al Capone's days in Chicago. In the early 1970's presidential aide Murray Chotiner frequented the La Costa Country Club and in 1973 several members of the NIXON Administration met there to get their Watergate cover-up stories synchronized. In 1975 four members of the La Costa Country Club sued Penthouse magazine for having exposed their alleged ties to the national crime syndicate. Louis Nizer, the attorney who wrote a semi-official introduction to the Warren Report, represented the plaintiffs.[/ltr]

[ltr]http://dc315.4shared.com/doc/m80cy4-_/preview.html[/ltr]

[ltr]I believe Braden and Midred had separated by '63. Not sure what connection either had to Long Beach...[/ltr]

[ltr]-----------------------------------------------------[/ltr]

[ltr]Another possibility[/ltr]

[ltr]Parsons, in turn, brought Michael McCowan into the case as a private investigator. McCowan was an ex-Marine, an ex-cop and an ex-law student.20 Michael McCowan had been expelled from the LAPD in the wake of his dealings with David Kassab and others who were running a land scam deal in the San Fernando Valley in 1962. In the SUS files, there are continual references to the "Kassab Report", a report of an investigation into "alleged ties between the J.F.K. and the R.F.K. assassinations." The report itself is nowhere to be found. Listed as being in the report are names such as Clay Shaw, Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy, Jim Braden, Russell Parsons, and many others of interest to assassination researchers. The report is over 900 pages long, according to page references scattered among these files. Why was such a massive report compiled? Why do so many references to it appear in the SUS files? And why has the full Kassab report been suppressed to this day?[/ltr]


[ltr]McCowan had other problems to bring to the table beyond the Kassab deal. A former girlfriend of his notified the police that he kept a large stash of weapons in his residence. The police issued an order to investigate whether the weapons represented "loot" from other crimes, but asked that the investigation be kept quiet. At the time McCowan entered the Sirhan case, he was on a three-year probation, having appealed a five-year sentence he received in conjunction with theft and tampering with U.S. mail.[/ltr]

[ltr]http://www.ctka.net/pr598-rfk.html[/ltr]

[ltr]Again - not sure of any connections to Long Beach -- but this guys ex-girlfriend did inform on him in another matter, so she was fits that criteria.[/ltr]


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Re: Hoover memo, 11/22/63

Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 22 Sep 2013, 12:39 am

Great stuff, Greg. Thanks.

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