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Small Private School in Rochester, NY connections to the JFK Assassination

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Small Private School in Rochester, NY connections to the JFK Assassination

Post by Guest on Sat 19 Oct 2013, 1:15 am

Establishment rules, establishment folk have chiseled the lone nut theme in stone. There are some loose ends they just cannot account for, so the lockdown of an unfettered investigation must continue.

Well respected, establishment author/journalist sez:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diary/dem.htm
Entry dated :: March 29, 1977 George DeMohrenschildt: The Man Who Knew Too Much by Edward Jay Epstein
........
In 1962, he befriended Oswald, who had just returned from Russia to Dallas, and introduced him to many people. Then, in the spring of 1963, just after Oswald attempted to assassinate General Edwin A. Walker, he abruptly broke off all contact with Oswald, and moved to Haiti, where he remained for over ten years.

What had brought De Mohrenschildt to the attention of the Warren Commission was Marina Oswald's testimony that De Mohrenschildt had rushed up the stairs of Oswald's house after he missed Walker and shouted, "Lee, how did you miss General Walker?" So he had to return from Haiti to testify. When questioned about this remark by the Commission, De Mohrenschildt shrugged it off as nothing more than an unfortunate coincidence: a "joke." He then returned to the obscurity of Haiti and gave no more interviews.

He returned to the U.S. in the mid-1960s. I first interviewed him on April 22, 1976, but he was not forthcoming. Then, he mysteriously vanished in Europe. When he returned in 1977, he informed me that he needed money. At that point, I offered him a $1,000 a day for a 4-day interview. The first day had gone well. With the help of my research assistant, Nancy Lanoue, I managed to fill in many of the gaps in his career prior to his meeting Oswald.

Then, this morning, I asked him about why he, a socialite in Dallas, sought out Oswald, a defector. His explanation, if believed, put the assassination in a new and unnerving context. He said that although he had never been a paid employee of the CIA, he had "on occasion done favors" for CIA connected officials. In turn, they had helped in his business contacts overseas. By way of example, he pointed to the contract for a survey of the Yugoslavian coast awarded to him in 1957. He assumed his "CIA connections" had arranged it for him and he provided them with reports on the Yugoslav officials in whom they had expressed interest.

In late 1961— De Mohrenschildt could not pinpoint the date— he said had a lunchtime meeting in downtown Dallas with one of these connections; J. Walter Moore. Moore steered their conversation to the city of Minsk, where, as Moore seemed to know even before he told him, De Mohrenschildt had spent his childhood. Moore worked for the CIA's domestic contact service in Dallas. He told De Mohrenschildt about an ex-American Marine who had worked in an electronics factory in Minsk for the past year, Lee Harvey Oswald, who was returning to the Dallas area. Although no specific requests were made by Moore, De Mohrenschildt gathered that Moore would be appreciative to learn more about Oswald's activities in Minsk.At this time, he was extremely busy trying to arrange for Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator, to approve his oil exploration deal in that country. Some help from the U.S. Embassy in Haiti would be greatly appreciated by him, he suggested to Moore. Although he recognized that there was no quid pro quo, he hoped that he might receive the same sort of tacit assistance that he had previously received in Yugoslavia. "I would never have contacted Oswald in a million years, if Moore had not sanctioned it," he explained to me "Too much was at stake."

When Oswald arrived in Dallas, De Mohrenschildt paid a visit to his house because, he explained to me, he "assumed that was what Moore wanted." He then conducted an unwitting debriefing of Oswald — a subtle questioning in which the subject, Oswald, in this case, did not realize he was being debriefed.

As he won Oswald's confidence, he not only drew him out about his experiences in Minsk but, with flattery, he encouraged him to write a detailed memoir for publication in a magazine. He also offered to help edit and select photographs for it -- an offer that provided him with a plausible reason for continuing to probe Oswald's past. When he found out Oswald had written his memoir that described, among other things, his work in the electronics factory, he borrowed it from him and told Moore.

During that fall De Mohrenschildt also had introduced Oswald to potential employers in the electronics business. He said he wanted to stimulate Oswald to discuss his work in the Minsk factory, which he assumed would be of interest to Moore.

In mid March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the lucrative Haitian government contract for which he had been waiting. He had assumed that it had been helped along by the work he was doing for Moore.

But it then became apparent to him that he had become a much closer confidant of Oswald than he realized. In early April, Marina gave him a curious memento from Oswald. It was an inscribed photograph showing Oswald dressed in black, holding, in one hand, the radical newspaper The Militant and, in the other, the sniper's rifle with the telescopic sight-- that he had shown De Mohrenschildt the week before. The photograph was signed "For George, Lee Harvey Oswald" and dated April 5th, 1963. Marina had derisively scribbled in Russian "Hunter of Fascists. Ha. Ha." That "Ha Ha" became less a joke to De Mohrenschildt on April 10th when De Mohrenschildt heard on the radio that a sniper had fired a shot at General Walker. Only a few weeks before, in the company of three young geologists, he recalled that he had heard Oswald single out Walker as a "fascist" that should be dealt with, and, when one the geologists egged him by talking of an assassination plot against Hitler, Oswald answered that Hitler should have been shot before he ever achieved power. He thus had a "pretty good suspicion who had taken the potshot" at Walker.

I interrupted. "So you knew Oswald had tried to assassinate Walker, what did you do about it?"

He said he immediately rushed over to Oswald's house to find out what had happened and if Oswald had disposed of the rifle. He recalled being very frightened, as was his wife, Jean. He feared that he could be implicated, and the CIA might cut off support for his Haitian contract. at risk, that night was the last time he ever saw Oswald.

I then asked him whether he had reported the assassination attempt -- and the telltale photograph --to Moore. He said "I spoke to the CIA both before and afterwards. It was what ruined me." If so, the CIA had in its possession information and a photograph identifying Oswald as a potential assassin some six months before Kennedy came to Dallas. But it was a big "if"-- and serious problems with the story he was now telling. Why had De Mohrenschildt not turned over this evidence to the FBI when he was questioned or to the Warren Commission when he testified? Concealing such evidence could be a crime-- especially since it could have shown that De Mohrenschildt and others had prior knowledge about Oswald's assassination potential. His prior failure to tell the FBI about the photograph even could be construed as a possible obstruction of justice. To be sure, part of his new story fit the established facts. J. Walter Moore was indeed in the CIA's Domestic Contact Service in Dallas which had responsibility for debriefing returning visitors from the Soviet Union that had potential intelligence of value. And Moore had been in contact with De Mohrenschildt. He had debriefed him in 1958 on his work in Yugoslavia which, according to CIA records, he had disseminated the resulting reports to ten government agencies.

There was also some indication the Domestic Contact Service in Dallas might have been asked to debrief Oswald. According to a memorandum given to the Warren Commission by the CIA, the CIA had placed a look-out card in his file after learning in 1961 he was returning to the Dallas, and a CIA officer recalled suggesting that Oswald and his wife be debriefed through the Domestic Contact Service. So it could have happened, but there was no documentation showing that Moore had received this heads-up, or had been in touch with De Mohrenschildt after Oswald had returned to Dallas in 1962. Was De Mohrenschildt now dragging the CIA into his relation with Oswald as a red herring— or had the Warren Commission missed a critical link between the CIA and Oswald?

I asked whether he had any proof the inscribed photograph existed. He offered to make the photograph available to men through his lawyer, Pat Russell, and I could verify the handwriting of Oswald's and Marina's. He then opened up his thick black address book and wrote out Russell's phone number......

......David Bludworth, The State's Attorney, was a folksy, charming and savvy interrogator. He began by telling me that De Mohrenschildt had put a shotgun in his mouth and killed himself at 3:45 p.m. There were no witnesses— and no one home at the time of the shooting. ......went for a drink with Bludworth. He then told us that De Mohrenschildt's sudden death had caused "havoc" in Washington. The House Select Committee on Assassinations believed that De Mohrenschildt was a "crucial witness" and, for the past week, had the FBI search for him in three countries. Just that day, after locating him in Palm Beach, the Committee had dispatched one of its investigators to subpoena him. Bludworth knew this, he continued, because that investigator's card had been found at the Tilton mansion. Bludworth's theory was that De Mohrenschildt returned from his interview with me, saw the card, realized he was going to have to testify on this subject, and, not being able to face that ordeal, killed himself with the shotgun.......

March 31, 1977
Palm Beach
..........
There was a phone message from Nancy, who had gone back to New York. The lawyer, Pat Russell, had sent the photograph. It was, as De Mohrenschildt had described it, a copy of the celebrated backyard photograph of Oswald with the rifle that appeared in the Warren Report. But on the back it had a date and handwriting. A handwriting expert who had been working with me, Thea Hall, immediately identified both the dating and the inscription as Oswald's writing concluded the Russian printing on reverse side was consistent with Marina's handwriting. So now I knew De Mohrenschildt had been given this incriminating photograph before the assassination— but it did not answer the real issue of whether he had passed it on to the CIA.
Taking Epstein's version of DeMohrenschildt's interaction with lone nut Oswald and what is known about DeMohrenschildt before and after that, the loose ends would be troubling enough, even without this.:

George de Mohrenschildt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_de_Mohrenschildt‎
He was acquainted with the Bush family; George H. W. Bush had roomed with de Mohrenschildt's nephew, Edward G. Hooker, at Phillips Academy in Andover, ...

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm
The testimony of George S. De Mohrenschildt was taken at 10 a.m. on April 22, 1964,
...........
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. .....-I should go in the oil business on my own, really in the oil business, drilling and producing, which was interesting to me. And then I recalled that my exnephew, Eddie Hooker, in New York, asked me to go in business with him. He had visited me in Colorado and was very much interested in the work I had done. I gave him a telephone call from some place in Oklahoma.
I said, "Eddie, how about it?"
He was working for Merrill Lynch at the time.
And he said, "George, I am ready. I am tired of Merrill Lynch."
Mr. JENNER. Merrill Lynch, Fenner and Beane at that time?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. "I am tired of that Merrill Lynch, Fenner and Beane."
We formed a limited partnership together.
Mr. JENNER. And that is the partnership of Hooker and De Mohrenschildt?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And that was when--1950?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I think so---1950.
Mr. JENNER. And did it last very long?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. It lasted, I think, 3 years.
Mr. JENNER. About 2 years?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. 2 or 3 years.
Mr. JENNER. And----
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Now, We made money, we lost money, but it was a pleasant relationship. We are still very good friends.
Mr. JENNER. What did you do in connection with that partnership?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I did buying of the leases, doing the drilling, and helped him in New York, also, to raise money.
Mr. JENNER. He handled the financial end, or raising of money end?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And you the field work?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Sometimes--we opened an office in New York, a small office. He was in New York most of the time. I was in Denver. Our first well was a dry hole, a disastrous dry hole. But our second well was a producer. We made some production. But never anything big.
Mr. JENNER. Now----
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Eventually I returned to Texas from Denver, because I had always retained some good friends in Texas, and they suggested, one of them who participated in our well, first venture suggested that, "George, you will do better in Texas, because Wyoming is too expensive"--a well costs $200,000 or $300,000 in Wyoming, you know--in Wyoming or Colorado.
Mr. JENNER. Now, when you were in partnership with Mr. Hooker, your field work and discovery work was in Wyoming and Colorado, is that correct?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No. We started by drilling our first well in Wyoming, operating from Denver. And we had--we were snowbound there, we paid the rig time for a hell of a long time. To make the story short, our first venture was quite a failure. One of the reasons we finally split partnership with Eddie Hooker is that he is a very wealthy boy. He comes from a very wealthy family. And he wanted the oil business to make millions.
My reason to be in the oil business is to make a reasonable living, and eventually build up some production.
On our first venture in Wyoming, on the very first one, after we bought the leases, and before starting drilling, we got an offer from another company to sell out for a very substantial profit, without drilling a well--they would do it. Naturally, I told Ed we should do that instead of running a tremendous risk of drilling our own well. Well, he said if they want to buy it it means that we have something there, the usual story.
I was a little more conservative--I said better sell out and try to find something less risky.
He said if we hit it, we are millionaires right away--which was true--we had a huge block, of 12,000 acres, something like that.
Well, from then on, the next venture was in Texas, and we drilled quite a few successful wells, quite a few dry holes, too.
Mr. JENNER. You returned to Texas?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. What year?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Abilene, Tex., we had the headquarters--that was the center of the small size independent operators at the time.
Mr. JENNER. What was the name of the hotel at which you stayed?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Wooten Hotel.
Mr. JENNER. And the partnership was still in existence?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Our partnership was broken up after I married Miss Sharples. It was, frankly, a personal thing. ....
.......Mr. JENNER. Now, we have you back in New York City--this is when we went to lunch--around 1953--1952, 1953.
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Your partnership with Mr. Hooker had terminated.
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No, no; still active. I think it was in 1952--because I was not married---we still had the partnership. I was visiting Ed Hooker in New York at that particular time, and through him I met my next wife, my last wife.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, who was she?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Wynne Sharples. .......

Miss Suzanne B. Hooker Married to Ames Braga
‎New York Times - Sep 14, 1973
The bride is a daughter of Mrs. Edward-Gordon Hooker of New York and the late ... George HW Bush, chair of the Republican National Committee, escorted the bride, who-had her sister,
Mrs. Alberto Mejia, as matron of honor ......
In and of themselves,it is evident that these curious associations were not enough to prevent the Bush family's domination of the US national political landscape in a post Kennedy assassination
world. George HW Bush or his son George W. "served" as president or vice-president of the U.S. for twenty years between January, 1981, and January, 2009. This is our history, as is this.:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/washington/02cnd-ford-ghwb.html
George H.W. Bush’s Eulogy for Gerald R. Ford
Published: January 2, 2007
....Long before he arrived in Washington, Gerald Ford’s word was good. During the three decades of public service that followed his arrival in our nation’s capital, time and again he would step forward and keep his promise even when the dark clouds of political crisis gathered over America.

After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness. And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford’s word was always good....
Our Man in Haiti: George de Mohrenschildt and the CIA in the Nightmare Republic - Joan Mellen

On April, 19, the de Mohrenschildts left for New York.

When he found his way to Washington, D.C., de Mohrenschilst met, not with Lyndon Johnson, but with Johnson's assistant for National Security Affairs, Air Force Colonel Howard Burris. A native Texan, Burris was an intelligence officer who had been involved in CIA's 1953 coup against Iranian president Mohammed Mossadegh. He was an intimate of Richard Helms and of General Charles Cabell, right hand man of Allen Dulles, and brother of Dallas mayor Earle Cabell, who was in office at the time of the assassination of President Kennedy later in the year. An oilman by profession, Burris had created the Cuban-Venezuelan Oil Voting Trust Company, only to have his Cuban oil properties to be confiscated by Fidel Castro.

Clemard Joseph Charles departed from Haiti for Newy York on April 23. Upon his arrival, he was interviewed by a CIA informant who is identified in the CIA document describing their meeting only as a "former journalist." Whith no fear that his words would get back to Papa Doc, Charles confided to the informant that heas in a strong position to become head of a provisional government once Duvalier was removed. Duvalier was likely to unleash a reign of terror and had to be stopped before he liquidated his opposition, Charles volunteered.

Speaking as if he were aware that this "journalist" was a direct pipeline to CIA, and that CIA was motivated by fear that Haiti might become a second Cuba, Charles added that Duvalier was about to accept aid from the Soviet bloc. In contrast, he would establish a democratic Haiti, one "friendly toward the Unites States, and save the country from a Castro-type Communist takeover."

Charles then boasted of his "wide range of support among the peasantry, anti-Duvalier army officers, intellectuals, journalists and businessmen." Should he not be appointed provisional president, Charles said, he might accept the post of Secretary of Finance and Economic Affairs.

In New York, Chalres met with kenaf partner, Joe Dryer. Charles had sent a limousine to the hotel to pick up Dryer and his partner, Clark Cassidy. Dryer recounts that he and Cassidy both were fond of Charles. Charles had a secretary wwith him, a woman who, as Dryer knew through his own intellligence connections, had been planted on Charles by CIA.

In the late 1970's, Dryer told the House Select Committee on Assassinations that Charles had "many connections" with the Central Intelligence Agency. He added that George de Mohrenschildt had "some intelligence connection," although he professed not to know with which country. It seems clear that CIA held both Clemard Joseph Charles and George de Mohrenschildt within its radar, destined for some role in Haiti's political future....

....To Dryer now, in 1963, Charles described George de Mohrenschildt as his "business associate," adding that de Mohrenschildt had an appointment with Vice President Johnson.

A generous man, Dryer supplied Clemard Joseph Charles with some useful letters of introduction, testaments to his character. ....to Senator Kenneth Keating..... to Democratic Congressman Paul Rogers of Florida.....

Dryer had his own bank conduct a credit check on George de Mohrenschildt, with the understanding that the name of the client initiating the inquiry "remain confidential." The bank official however, reported to Special Agent William W. Hamilton of the New York FBI field office. He described the person checking on de Mohrenschildt only as "a firm dealing in the import and export of fibers."

Dryer denies that he arranged for a credit check de Mohrenschildt, but given his concern for Charles, and his doubts about de Mohrenschildt, it seem that it could only have been he, a businessman "dealing in the import and export of fibers."

The ensuing credit report, issuing from the Republic National Bank in Dallas, arrived on June 14. It was "favorable concerning de Mohresnschildt's credit." The evidence suggests that, along the way, Dryer had confided what he knew about Clemard Joseph Charles and George de Mohrenschildt to Army intelligence. Dryer's views, as outlined above, appear almost verbatim, in the released files of 90 Deuce....
...............
It is April 25, 1963 at the Knickerbocker Club at 2 East 62 Stree, immediately east of Fifth Avenue in New York City. Two CIA operatives are conferring in the club's library: C. Frank Stone, III, who is responsible for CIA's WUBRINY operations, and Thomas J. Devine, CIA's principal asset on the project. Devine had been a CIA staff employee, who ostensibly "resigned" in 1953 to "go into private business.".....Devine's partner, John Train, a long-time CIA asset, was a founder of the CIA-sponsored Paris Review. ......

WUBRINY, which has never been explained in any detail, was a CIA proprietary operatin in Haiti run out of the office of the DD/P, the Deputy Director for Plans, Richard Helms. Stone would refer to Devine as WUBRINY/1. The clues as to what WUBRINY was about are scant. ....

Another connection to Devine in this story is that Herbert Itkin - who had been working for CIA in planning the assassination of Francois Duvalier - or an associate of Itkin's, was being considered by the Agency to participate in WUBRINY opertations. The extant document associating Itkin with Wubriny suggest that he was not so enlisted, but it isn't clear. There was, however, as we shall see, a WUBRINY/2, who had yet to be identified.

In his contact report about his April 25 meeting with WUBRINY/1 at the Knickerbocker, Stone refers several time to "a second meeting with banker Charles...scheduled for Friday, 26 April." WUBRINY/1 knew that Charles would be accompanied by a "Texan" named "deMOHRENSCHILDT, George; DOB: 1911; POB: USSS; CIT: U.S.A. (?); BUSINESSMAN." That Devine did in fact meet with Charles and de Mohrenschildt the following day makes it abundantly clear that Devine enjoyed the CIA cryptonym of WUBRINY/1.

Thomas J. Devine began as a Texas wildcatter, someone who drills wells in arears not yet known to be oil fields on the hunch that they might be. He was not only a commercial asset of CIA, but was also a close associate of George HW Bush. Devine had invested heavily in Bush's Zapata Oil and his name appears on the incorporation papers of Bush's company, Zapata Offshore. So close were they that Bush called Devine by nickname "T".

Although his resume may claim otherwise, Devine continued to participate in CIA operations....

,,,,,,...Then - in 1963 - investment in Haiti became no longer safe. One day, Dryer sate behing a card table in an open field. It was payday. Stacks of gourdes (worth twenty cents each) were piled in front of him as his workers lined up to be paid. Dryer's manager had hired four soldiers from the Haitian army to serve as guards.

Suddenly, thirteen or fourteen of the Tontons Macoutes materialized out of nowhere in their blue dungarees and sunglasses. They were armed with rifles. Standing at first on the perimeter, they circled the area. Then they began to inch forward, their rifles pointed inward. Slowly they closed the circle. Dryer quickly dispatched his brother Peter to the army garrison at St. Marc for assistance.

Soon the Tontons Macoute had kidnapped the four soldiers Dryer had hired for protection. Silence descened over the crowd as an army truck drove up before the Tontons Macoute could escape with their prey. The captain demanded the return of the soldiers and Tontons Macoute disappeared. It was a pyrrhic victory. The Tontons Macout soon gained sway over the Haitian army. Now security for American business became a distant memory.

In 1963, Dryer closed his kenaf operation for good. Three of his best machine operators had been kidnapped....

https://paw.princeton.edu/memorials/44/81/index.xml
PAW Home > Memorials > Peter Rawleigh Dryer
Peter Rawleigh Dryer ’48
Published in Jan. 27, 1999, issue

Peter Dryer died Sept. 16, 1998, in Rochester, N.Y. A lifelong Rochester resident, Peter joined us from Choate and graduated in 1949. He was a member of Campus and active in the Intl. Relations Club. He was in the Marines from 1944-46.

Peter went to Cuba after Princeton in an attempt to grow kenaf, a new fiber to replace jute. While in Cuba, he made many friends, not the least of whom was Ernest Hemingway. Fidel Castro's revolution marked the end of kenaf growing in Cuba. Peter moved his kenaf pioneering to Guatemala and Haiti only to be met by more political unrest and revolutions. In Haiti he narrowly escaped a Ton-Ton Macoute raid. Growing kenaf proved to be impractical given the political realties.

In the mid-1960s he returned to Rochester to devote his life to helping younger people and establishing several scholarships for German exchange students. He visited Germany frequently.

To his brothers, Tyrrell and Joseph, the class extends its deepest sympathy.
The Class of 1948
What is new here, overlooked by author Joan Mellen, is that the Dryer brothers and Bush's friend Thomas J Devine attended the same private school. Joseph Dryer left after his freshman year in high school in 1938 to attend Choate in Wallingford, CT for his final three high school years. Dryer's partner in kenaf farming in Cuba and Haiti was his brother, Peter, a co-member with Thomas J Devine, of the freshman class in 1941 at this same small private school. There were just 18 other members of this freshman class in addition to Peter Dryer and Thomas Devine. Devine finished his last three high school years there because his father was president of the school's board and Peter followed his older brothers Joseph and Tyrrell Dryer to Choate.

This illustrates how the freshman class of twenty members at this school was reduced to only Devine and nine other members of the graduating class of 1944:

Originally published: Spring 1994
Obituary: H W W

1944�H W W a native of Rochester, New York, died there at Strong Memorial Hospital on December , of cardiovascular . He was __. He was the son of ....... and prepared for (high school name) at (same freshman class in school atttended by Peter Dryer and Devine) in Rochester, entering the IV Form in 1941. In his VT Form year he was a ....... a member of the ....... Society and the ......Association. He was on the ....... football and track teams, and rowed in the ........ He served in the U.S. Navy from ....... 1944 to ......1946 and saw service as ......... in the Pacific.

In 1948 he received his B.A. ..... from Princeton, where he played varsity .......... He worked as a salesman for ........ Company and then for ......... retiring in 1991......
On a day in April, 1963, surrounded by covert CIA,
In New York, Chalres met with kenaf partner, Joe Dryer. Charles had sent a limousine to the hotel to pick up Dryer and his partner, Clark Cassidy. Dryer recounts that he and Cassidy both were fond of Charles. [color=red]Charles had a secretary wwith him, a woman who, as Dryer knew through his own intellligence connections, had been planted on Charles by CIA
....DeMohrenschildt and Charles just happened to hold sequential meetings with Devine, a close friend of Bush's who is on record reporting to CIA, and with a fellow alumni of Devine's tiny school, Joseph Pryor, the brother and partner in business providing justification for meeting with DeMohrenschildt and Charles, of Peter Dryer, a fellow member in a freshman class of only twenty, with Thomas J Devine.

Does this work both ways, or does it not? If not, what Jenner stated must be dismissed as nonsense.:
Federal bar news: Volume 13

Federal Bar Association - 1966 - Snippet view
In his address, Mr. Jenner stated that a series of extraordinary coincidences made it seem most likely that the assassination of President Kennedy was the work of one man — Lee Harvey Oswald. "After months of intensive research, the reading of some 40000 pages of material assembled by units of the federal government, and the questioning of scores of persons, including Oswald's wife, we came to the conclusion that there was no conspiracy, either domestic or foreign," Jenner said...
coincidences made it seem most likely that the 2007 eulogy of Gerald Ford given by George HW Bush is unbelievable.

,,,,and, I almost forgot, there is also this to consider:

Joan Mellen should consider this and go back to Joe Dryer and ask him why he did not mention that he and his brother were schoolmates of Thomas J. Devine, son of the president of the school's board, and who was also meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend on the same April day as Dryer was in 1963.

CIA's Garry Coit and Priscilla Johnson.:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=110070&relPageId=2
SUBJECTS COIT GARY MCMILLAN PRISCILLA JOHNSON
RIF#: 180-10143-10254 (04/19/78) HSCA#: 29-07-28

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=110071&relPageId=2
SUBJECTS COIT GARY MCMILLAN PRISCILLA JOHNSON DOCUMENT
RIF#: 180-10143-10256 (UNDATED) HSCA#: 29-07-30

Coit and Devine, 1944 :
[PDF]
Beaver Sig Vol. 1946, No. 1 - Sigma Chi Fraternity - MIT
http://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/1946_bsig_vol1946_no1.pdf‎
school; Brother Coit enlisted in the Naval Radio Training Pro- gram. Fall Term, 1944. Shortly after the inception of the fall term of 1944, Brothers. Devine and ..

Students Don Ear Muffs to Shut Out Band Music
Daily Boston Globe - Aug 14, 1947

... rhumba music yesterday asked the Boston Licensing Board to shut down
the Hotel ... one of 16 Tech students livings in the adjoining Sigma Chi
fraternity house ... Other student were Thomas Devine of Rochester who
told of taking refuge in ..


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Post by Mark A. O'Blazney on Sat 19 Oct 2013, 2:02 am

The last sentence  on the EF thread stated......"This all began with Penn Jones, Jr."  Looks like it's ending with you, Tom.  Great work.  Still taking notes.  Definitely more to come.

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Thank you, Mark.

Consider that six years ago when Joan Mellen made the presentation excerpted below, she did not have evidence or awareness of what I've requoted for you above, relationships of Thomas J Devine with
Joseph and Peter Dryer, and with Le CIA'sw Garrison "Garry" Coit, yet she was quite emphatic.:

Page 2 = http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=12758&relPageId=2


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http://www.joanmellen.net/truth.html
Talk at the 92nd Street Y,
JANUARY 28, 2007
THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION AND THE CURRENT POLITICAL MOMENT
by Joan Mellen

........ I'm sure many in this audience are aware of the third recent moment at which the Kennedy assassination has surfaced. There are a few scant degrees of separation between

1. the two Bush presidents

2. the role of the CIA in the Kennedy assassination

3. Lee Harvey Oswald, the CIA asset.

This surprising invocation of the Kennedy assassination occurred on January 2 nd at the funeral of President Gerald Ford, the last surviving member of the Warren Commission. I'll read this extraordinary revealing paragraph from George H. W. Bush's eulogy for those who missed it:

“After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness – and a conspiracy theorist can say what they will – but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this matter. Why? Because Gerry Ford put his name on it and Gerry Ford's word was always good.”

Allow me to add that when amendments were offered to the Freedom of Information Act, enlarging public access to affairs of state, Gerald Ford vetoed the bill, only for Congress to override his veto. Ford was no more a supporter of the truth than Mr. Bush's son. George H. W. Bush's own word was not always so good either. There are powerful reasons why George H. W. Bush was motivated to invoke the Warren Report, even, amazingly, to refer to a “conspiracy theorist,” as if that designation would at once banish some truths he does not want available. Only two degrees of separation separate George H. W. Bush from Oswald himself.

At his 1976 confirmation hearings for the post of Director of Central Intelligence, a post into which he was elevated by Gerald Ford, Bush denied that he had any prior connection to the CIA. This was a falsehood. At the National Archives, and on the Internet, is a CIA document directed to its clandestine service (Record Number 104-10310-10271) that reveals that when, in the 1950s, Bush founded Zapata Oil, his partner was one Thomas J. Devine, who was not only an oil wildcatter, but a long-time CIA staff employee. Thomas Devine's name does not appear in the original papers of Zapata, but it does in the company Bush created shortly thereafter as “Zapata Offshore.”

This CIA document reveals that Thomas Devine had informed George Bush of a CIA project with the cryptonym WUBRINY/LPDICTUM. It involved CIA proprietary commercial operations in foreign countries. By 1963, Devine had become not a former CIA employee, but ‘a cleared and witting contact” in the investment banking firm which managed the proprietary corporation WUSALINE. WUBRINY involved Haitian operations, in which, the documents reveal, a participant was George de Mohrenshildt, the Dallas CIA hander of – Lee Oswald.

In late April 1963, in Haiti, de Mohrenshildt appeared to discuss investment possibilities. The CIA officer, the author of the document, named only as WUBRINY/1, had no idea of de Mohrenshildt's already long-standing CIA connections, and in particular his role in shepherding Oswald in Dallas. De Mohrenshildt could safely pursue CIA interests in Haiti because it was that month, April 1963, that Lee Oswald, his charge, moved from Texas to New Orleans, on the orders of the CIA, with Oswald reporting to – Hunter Leake.

A May 22, 1963 CIA document has de Mohrenshildt admitting he had “obtained some Texas financial backing” and had visited interested people In Washington regarding the candidacy of one M. Clemard Joseph Charles for President of Haiti, “as soon as Duvalier can be gotten out.” So we are reminded of CIA's efforts to influence the political configurations of other countries – an obvious example is CIA's obliging British Petroleum – for a price – and overthrowing Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran, replacing him with the Shah.

To summarize: George Bush is linked in April 1963, seven months before the Kennedy assassination, to a CIA project involving Lee Oswald's handler, Count Sergei Georges de Mohrenshildt through his own CIA partner, Thomas Devine. Bush and Devine later traveled to Vietnam together, a trip for which the Department of Defense issued Devine an interim “Top Secret” clearance. No surprise there: Devine obviously had never left the Agency. ........


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Post by Mark A. O'Blazney on Sat 19 Oct 2013, 7:20 pm

The ball seems to be in your court, G.H.W. Bush.  You have a duty to the American people to set the record straight, fair?

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The results of the research covered in this thread are a partial response to this:


http://www.ctka.net/reviews/family_secrets.html
Family of Secrets, by Russ Baker
Reviewed by James DiEugenio


.....He begins his excavation on page 12. He says that researcher Jerry Shinley has found a document that places Bush's service with the CIA back into the early fifties. The problem is that the phrasing in this document is quite ambiguous. It says that through a Mr. Gale Allen the CIA had learned in 1975 that Bush had knowledge of a terminated project dealing with proprietary commercial projects in Europe. Bush learned of them through CIA officer Tom Devine. Now, the fact that Devine told his sometime oil business partner about a since deceased CIA project does not mean that Bush Sr. was in the CIA. In the memorandum's terms, at least as Baker presents it, the wording suggests what I just wrote: Bush had acquired the knowledge through Devine. Another problem is that Bush's commercial projects were not in Europe, but in America and the Caribbean. So I got the feeling that, unlike with the Air Guard story, the author was stretching his data thin......
By email this week, Joan Mellen replied to my question about whether she had asked Joseph F Dryer, Jr. if he was acquainted with Thomas J Devine. I told Joan that I had discovered that Dryer's brother Peter had been a member of Devine's freshman class of twenty at their small K-!2 private school in Rochester.
Joan Mellen was kind enough to share what Joseph Dryer, Jr. told her only after her book, "Our Man in Haiti," had been published. Dryer, Jr. told Joan that Devine had been his best friend before he left Rochester to attend Choate Academy in CT.

Joan also confirmed she had never seen this document I discovered the unredacted version of, last week. I used the advanced search at Maryferrell.org with the search word, NATTILY.



https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=52102&relPageId=7

Unredacted version of above document:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=64083&relPageId=2


We learn from this the details that "Mr. Allen," presumably Gale Allen, was involved in "Wubriny Ops," that there was a formerly undocumented Wubriny-4, implying also a Wubriny-3, descriptions of three proprietary projects in three countries, and that Devine had an addtional contact with DeMohrenschildt, this time at an airport in DC.

Remember that Bush told all that the Warren Report was reliable because Gerry Ford was a man of his word. This is their scenario, not mine. There are at least four reported encounters between Devine and DeM beginning just 15 days after the Edwin Walker shooting. Devine appears to have had more contact with DeM so soon after he departed Dallas than anyone else did. Clemard Charles was already wll known. DeM was the focus of Devine, who probably was already familiar with DeM through Bush.


http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diary/dem.htm
try dated :: March 29, 1977    Palm Beach, Florida
   George DeMohrenschildt:
The Man Who Knew Too Much

....... When Oswald arrived in Dallas, De Mohrenschildt paid a visit to his house because, he explained to me, he "assumed that was what Moore wanted." He then conducted an unwitting debriefing of Oswald — a subtle questioning in which the subject, Oswald, in this case, did not realize he was being debriefed.

As he won Oswald's confidence, he not only drew him out about his experiences in Minsk but, with flattery, he encouraged him to write a detailed memoir for publication in a magazine. He also offered to help edit and select photographs for it -- an offer that provided him with a plausible reason for continuing to probe Oswald's past. When he found out Oswald had written his memoir that described, among other things, his work in the electronics factory, he borrowed it from him and told Moore.

During that fall De Mohrenschildt also had introduced Oswald to potential employers in the electronics business. He said he wanted to stimulate Oswald to discuss his work in the Minsk factory, which he assumed would be of interest to Moore.

In mid March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the lucrative Haitian government contract for which he had been waiting. He had assumed that it had been helped along by the work he was doing for Moore.

But it then became apparent to him that he had become a much closer confidant of Oswald than he realized. In early April, Marina gave him a curious memento from Oswald. It was an inscribed photograph showing Oswald dressed in black, holding, in one hand, the radical newspaper The Militant and, in the other, the sniper's rifle with the telescopic sight-- that he had shown De Mohrenschildt the week before. The photograph was signed "For George, Lee Harvey Oswald" and dated April 5th, 1963. Marina had derisively scribbled in Russian "Hunter of Fascists. Ha. Ha." That "Ha Ha" became less a joke to De Mohrenschildt on April 10th when De Mohrenschildt heard on the radio that a sniper had fired a shot at General Walker. Only a few weeks before, in the company of three young geologists, he recalled that he had heard Oswald single out Walker as a "fascist" that should be dealt with, and, when one the geologists egged him by talking of an assassination plot against Hitler, Oswald answered that Hitler should have been shot before he ever achieved power. He thus had a "pretty good suspicion who had taken the potshot" at Walker.

I interrupted. "So you knew Oswald had tried to assassinate Walker, what did you do about it?"

He said he immediately rushed over to Oswald's house to find out what had happened and if Oswald had disposed of the rifle. He recalled being very frightened, as was his wife, Jean. He feared that he could be implicated, and the CIA might cut off support for his Haitian contract. at risk, that night was the last time he ever saw Oswald.

I then asked him whether he had reported the assassination attempt -- and the telltale photograph --to Moore. He said "I spoke to the CIA both before and afterwards. It was what ruined me." If so, the CIA had in its possession information and a photograph identifying Oswald as a potential assassin some six months before Kennedy came to Dallas. But it was a big "if"-- and serious problems with the story he was now telling. Why had De Mohrenschildt not turned over this evidence to the FBI when he was questioned or to the Warren Commission when he testified? Concealing such evidence could be a crime-- especially since it could have shown that De Mohrenschildt and others had prior knowledge about Oswald's assassination potential. His prior failure to tell the FBI about the photograph even could be construed as a possible obstruction of justice. To be sure, part of his new story fit the established facts. J. Walter Moore was indeed in the CIA's Domestic Contact Service in Dallas which had responsibility for debriefing returning visitors from the Soviet Union that had potential intelligence of value. And Moore had been in contact with De Mohrenschildt. He had debriefed him in 1958 on his work in Yugoslavia which, according to CIA records, he had disseminated the resulting reports to ten government agencies.

There was also some indication the Domestic Contact Service in Dallas might have been asked to debrief Oswald. According to a memorandum given to the Warren Commission by the CIA, the CIA had placed a look-out card in his file after learning in 1961 he was returning to the Dallas, and a CIA officer recalled suggesting that Oswald and his wife be debriefed through the Domestic Contact Service. So it could have happened, but there was no documentation showing that Moore had received this heads-up, or had been in touch with De Mohrenschildt after Oswald had returned to Dallas in 1962. Was De Mohrenschildt now dragging the CIA into his relation with Oswald as a red herring— or had the Warren Commission missed a critical link between the CIA and Oswald?

I asked whether he had any proof the inscribed photograph existed. He offered to make the photograph available to men through his lawyer, Pat Russell, and I could verify the handwriting of Oswald's and Marina's. He then opened up his thick black address book and wrote out Russell's phone number......
Devine was Garry Coit's frat brother and housemate for at least thee years. Devine's friend Dryer, Jr. met with Charles and DeM on the same day Devine first met with DeM, according to Joan Mellen's book. Again, Charles was well known to State Dept. and CIA. Dryer, Jr's partner is mentioned in this 1961 article
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/AA00015023/00156/17j
 on Charles' visit to NYC and was described in Joan's book as being with Dryer, Jr on the day of the back to back meetings of DeM and Charles and the boyhood friends from Rochester.:

https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=cassidy+kenaf+dryer
See Successor To Jute Fiber . - Google News The Milwp://aukee Journal - Nov 9, 1958
news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19581109&id...
Havana, United States businessmen think that kenaf, a reedy tropical plant, is well on its way to eventually replacing jute. ... Clarke Cassidy, jr., vicepresident of Product Tech niques, Inc., Hudson, Ohio, said the United States ... Joseph Dryer,

Aligning Devine and Dryer backgrounds with what is presented in the Warren Report, the HSCA, by Epstein, and by Bush, there are too many coincidences to be easily minimized or dismissed as Random.

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Post by Guest on Sun 10 Nov 2013, 11:57 am

Tom Scully wrote:
Lee Farley wrote:http://www.fold3.com/document/18172663/

Tom, do you have access to a better copy of this - - or better eyes?

Lee
Lee,

An apology for several delayed responses. Daughter Dorothy's birth cert. image.:
...........................
.....................................
It concerns me how little control I actually have in avoiding tangents. I will get back to Dudley... but Margeson and other Rochester natives are on the plate.


http://www.adst.org/OH%20TOCs/Wrampelmeier,%20Brooks.toc.pdf
BROOKS WRAMPELMEIER
Interviewed by: Charles Stuart Kennedy
Initial interview date: March 22, 2000


........When the Kennedy Administration
came in, Mill's pro forma resignation was accepted with no other explanation. There
wasn’t any “we have something else in mind for you.” It was just “please go in and get
agrément for this fellow Macomber,” who had been the Assistant Secretary for
Congressional Affair in the Eisenhower Administration. President Kennedy apparently
liked Macomber but wanted to replace him with a congressman from Arkansas who had
lost his seat. Mills was later offered the embassy in Uruguay but he declined and retired
from the Foreign Service.
Q: Well, Macomber had also been a favorite of Rooney’s and Rooney was the
appropriations man for the department of state.
WRAMPELMEIER: Well, Macomber was brought into State by John Foster Dulles. His
family and the Dulles family came from Rochester. Macomber came out in January 1961,
a bachelor just 40 years old. Mills was in his sixties. I think the idea was that having an
ambassador in Amman closer in age to King Hussein would be an advantage. The British
also sent a relatively young ambassador named John Henniker-Major. So you had two
relatively young ambassadors with a king who was at that time in his late 20s or early
30s......
In 1973, Macomber was the best man in fellow Rochester native's Thomas J. Devine's wedding.

It escaped the FBI's background check in 1975 that Rochester, NY native, Richard Monroe Margeson had been employed in 1949 by Stromberg-Carlson, manufacturer of US Navy radios and a government contractor of other strategic technology and support. I include Margeson because he was from the same city as Devine and Dryer, was born within six months of Devine and Dryer's brother, Peter, because Devine had gone to US Navy radio school in fall, 1944, with his Sigma Chi frat brother Garry Coit, and because Margeson claimed to have met Oswald and Larry Howard and Devine and Dryer were first to interview DeMohrenschildt after he left Dallas just two weeks after he claimed Oswald shot at Edwin Walker. Devine's father was president of the Allendale-Columbia school board of directors and Margeson's father Alva E. Margeson was principal of a nearby school.

[PDF]
[url=http://fultonhistory.com/Process small/Historical Wyoming County/Historical Wyoming County pdf files/Historical Wyoming County July 1977.pdf]Historical Wyoming County July 1977 - FultonHistory.com[/url]
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Alva E. Margeson, 89, of Wyoming, died March
29, 1977. Retired teacher, principal of Barnard
Union School, Greece, for 20 years, Mayor of
Wyoming Village for several years. Served in
WWI with Chemical Warfare Division


  1. [PDF]
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Loyal Alumnus Dies
Mrs. Rosabel Harris Margeson. 41, who was vlco-prosldont of the class of 1919. G. W. S.. and
Browning cabinet president, dled last Wednesday at hor home In the Barnards' section of Roch-
ester. She was married June 29, 1920, to Alva E. Margeson, prlncipal of tho grado school at Bar-
nards. who Is also an alumnus of O. W. S.. class of 1912. Both Mr. and Mrs. Margeson were leaders
In thelr classes at G. W. S. and came back almost yearly to the alumni reunions. Mr. Margeson
was principal of Grelgsvlllo high school when married, and later they resided at Phelps.
Mrs. Margoson leaves hor hus-band, two children. Monroe, 6, and Carol, 3; two sisters and two
brothers.....

Kodakery; Vol. 5, no. 28; July 17, 1947
mcnygenealogy.com/book/kodak/kodakery-v05-n28.pdf‎
the Greece Central School board. Barnard Union School District. 15 elected two Kodakers to its board. Bob Rohr, KP Accounting, will serve a two-year term, and.

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[url=http://fultonhistory.com/Newspapers 7/Livonia NY Gazette/Livonia NY Gazette 1949 Grayscale/Livonia NY Gazette 1949 Grayscale - 0466.pdf]Livonia NY Gazette 1949 Grayscale - Fulton NY Post Cards[/url]
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(Regina Wiggins was soon a single woman again, according to a later wedding announcement of a friend. Margeson, according to the FBI,
married again to a women in California.)

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=786930

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62473&relPageId=109





  1. LAWRENCE HOWARD WITH LHO - The Education Forum
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    Feb 10, 2005 - 3 posts - ‎3 authors
    Here is a lengthy excerpt from weberman's website re a 1975 report by a man named Richard Monroe Margeson that he had seen Lawrence ...
    You visited this page on 11/6/13.

  2. Larry Howard & "Tex" - The Education Forum
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    Aug 16, 2010 - WITNESS: RICHARD MONROE MARGESON On April 18, 1975, Sheriff Allen L. Capwell (NA) Wyoming County, New York, personally ...
    You visited this page on 11/5/13.

  3. Larry Howard & "Tex" - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum
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    Aug 16, 2010 - MARCH 1963.pdf. OSWALD AND LARRY HOWARD IN THE FALL OF 1962. WITNESS: RICHARD MONROE MARGESON On April 18, 1975, ...

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    Dec 27, 2004 - A review of Los Angeles files reveals that Richard Monroe Margeson is referring to LAWRENCE JOHN HOWARD Jr., who was interviewed in ...

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    Dec 27, 2004 - A review of Los Angeles files reveals that Richard Monroe Margeson is referring to LAWRENCE JOHN HOWARD Jr., who was interviewed in ...
This is cumbersome. I am resigned to having to work with the information wrested from governnent secret police and intelligence agency archives.
Their documents inform us that these three men from Rochester were of similar backgrounds and in touch or claimed to have contact with DeMohrenschildt or Oswald. Devine also was well acquainted with Garry Coit, a fellow US Navy radio school student and the contact agent of Priscilla Johnson. If you think these relationships are irrelevant and should not be investigated, post that sort of opinion, as well.

Margeson came forward in 1975 as it appeared likely Gonzalez would achieve passage of his resolution in congress to open a new investigation into the assassination of JFK. In that same year, the CIA created a document to explain Devine's relationship with Bush and his sharing with Bush or Wubriny Ops details. !2 months after that, former WC commissioner Gerry Ford appointed Bush, a man with no official intelligence operations experience as DCI.

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Tom Scully wrote:The results of the research covered in this thread are a partial response to this:


http://www.ctka.net/reviews/family_secrets.html
Family of Secrets, by Russ Baker
Reviewed by James DiEugenio


.....He begins his excavation on page 12. He says that researcher Jerry Shinley has found a document that places Bush's service with the CIA back into the early fifties. The problem is that the phrasing in this document is quite ambiguous. It says that through a Mr. Gale Allen the CIA had learned in 1975 that Bush had knowledge of a terminated project dealing with proprietary commercial projects in Europe. Bush learned of them through CIA officer Tom Devine. Now, the fact that Devine told his sometime oil business partner about a since deceased CIA project does not mean that Bush Sr. was in the CIA. In the memorandum's terms, at least as Baker presents it, the wording suggests what I just wrote: Bush had acquired the knowledge through Devine. Another problem is that Bush's commercial projects were not in Europe, but in America and the Caribbean. So I got the feeling that, unlike with the Air Guard story, the author was stretching his data thin......
By email this week, Joan Mellen replied to my question about whether she had asked Joseph F Dryer, Jr. if he was acquainted with Thomas J Devine. I told Joan that I had discovered that Dryer's brother Peter had been a member of Devine's freshman class of twenty at their small K-!2 private school in Rochester.
Joan Mellen was kind enough to share what Joseph Dryer, Jr. told her only after her book, "Our Man in Haiti," had been published. Dryer, Jr. told Joan that Devine had been his best friend before he left Rochester to attend Choate Academy in CT.

Joan also confirmed she had never seen this document I discovered the unredacted version of, last week. I used the advanced search at Maryferrell.org with the search word, NATTILY.



https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=52102&relPageId=7

Unredacted version of above document:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=64083&relPageId=2


We learn from this the details that "Mr. Allen," presumably Gale Allen, was involved in "Wubriny Ops," that there was a formerly undocumented Wubriny-4, implying also a Wubriny-3, descriptions of three proprietary projects in three countries, and that Devine had an addtional contact with DeMohrenschildt, this time at an airport in DC.

Remember that Bush told all that the Warren Report was reliable because Gerry Ford was a man of his word. This is their scenario, not mine. There are at least four reported encounters between Devine and DeM beginning just 15 days after the Edwin Walker shooting. Devine appears to have had more contact with DeM so soon after he departed Dallas than anyone else did. Clemard Charles was already wll known. DeM was the focus of Devine, who probably was already familiar with DeM through Bush.


http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diary/dem.htm
try dated :: March 29, 1977    Palm Beach, Florida
   George DeMohrenschildt:
The Man Who Knew Too Much

....... When Oswald arrived in Dallas, De Mohrenschildt paid a visit to his house because, he explained to me, he "assumed that was what Moore wanted." He then conducted an unwitting debriefing of Oswald — a subtle questioning in which the subject, Oswald, in this case, did not realize he was being debriefed.

As he won Oswald's confidence, he not only drew him out about his experiences in Minsk but, with flattery, he encouraged him to write a detailed memoir for publication in a magazine. He also offered to help edit and select photographs for it -- an offer that provided him with a plausible reason for continuing to probe Oswald's past. When he found out Oswald had written his memoir that described, among other things, his work in the electronics factory, he borrowed it from him and told Moore.

During that fall De Mohrenschildt also had introduced Oswald to potential employers in the electronics business. He said he wanted to stimulate Oswald to discuss his work in the Minsk factory, which he assumed would be of interest to Moore.

In mid March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the lucrative Haitian government contract for which he had been waiting. He had assumed that it had been helped along by the work he was doing for Moore.

But it then became apparent to him that he had become a much closer confidant of Oswald than he realized. In early April, Marina gave him a curious memento from Oswald. It was an inscribed photograph showing Oswald dressed in black, holding, in one hand, the radical newspaper The Militant and, in the other, the sniper's rifle with the telescopic sight-- that he had shown De Mohrenschildt the week before. The photograph was signed "For George, Lee Harvey Oswald" and dated April 5th, 1963. Marina had derisively scribbled in Russian "Hunter of Fascists. Ha. Ha." That "Ha Ha" became less a joke to De Mohrenschildt on April 10th when De Mohrenschildt heard on the radio that a sniper had fired a shot at General Walker. Only a few weeks before, in the company of three young geologists, he recalled that he had heard Oswald single out Walker as a "fascist" that should be dealt with, and, when one the geologists egged him by talking of an assassination plot against Hitler, Oswald answered that Hitler should have been shot before he ever achieved power. He thus had a "pretty good suspicion who had taken the potshot" at Walker.

I interrupted. "So you knew Oswald had tried to assassinate Walker, what did you do about it?"

He said he immediately rushed over to Oswald's house to find out what had happened and if Oswald had disposed of the rifle. He recalled being very frightened, as was his wife, Jean. He feared that he could be implicated, and the CIA might cut off support for his Haitian contract. at risk, that night was the last time he ever saw Oswald.

I then asked him whether he had reported the assassination attempt -- and the telltale photograph --to Moore. He said "I spoke to the CIA both before and afterwards. It was what ruined me." If so, the CIA had in its possession information and a photograph identifying Oswald as a potential assassin some six months before Kennedy came to Dallas. But it was a big "if"-- and serious problems with the story he was now telling. Why had De Mohrenschildt not turned over this evidence to the FBI when he was questioned or to the Warren Commission when he testified? Concealing such evidence could be a crime-- especially since it could have shown that De Mohrenschildt and others had prior knowledge about Oswald's assassination potential. His prior failure to tell the FBI about the photograph even could be construed as a possible obstruction of justice. To be sure, part of his new story fit the established facts. J. Walter Moore was indeed in the CIA's Domestic Contact Service in Dallas which had responsibility for debriefing returning visitors from the Soviet Union that had potential intelligence of value. And Moore had been in contact with De Mohrenschildt. He had debriefed him in 1958 on his work in Yugoslavia which, according to CIA records, he had disseminated the resulting reports to ten government agencies.

There was also some indication the Domestic Contact Service in Dallas might have been asked to debrief Oswald. According to a memorandum given to the Warren Commission by the CIA, the CIA had placed a look-out card in his file after learning in 1961 he was returning to the Dallas, and a CIA officer recalled suggesting that Oswald and his wife be debriefed through the Domestic Contact Service. So it could have happened, but there was no documentation showing that Moore had received this heads-up, or had been in touch with De Mohrenschildt after Oswald had returned to Dallas in 1962. Was De Mohrenschildt now dragging the CIA into his relation with Oswald as a red herring— or had the Warren Commission missed a critical link between the CIA and Oswald?

I asked whether he had any proof the inscribed photograph existed. He offered to make the photograph available to men through his lawyer, Pat Russell, and I could verify the handwriting of Oswald's and Marina's. He then opened up his thick black address book and wrote out Russell's phone number......
Devine was Garry Coit's frat brother and housemate for at least thee years. Devine's friend Dryer, Jr. met with Charles and DeM on the same day Devine first met with DeM, according to Joan Mellen's book. Again, Charles was well known to State Dept. and CIA. Dryer, Jr's partner is mentioned in this 1961 article
http://ufdc.ufl.edu/AA00015023/00156/17j
 on Charles' visit to NYC and was described in Joan's book as being with Dryer, Jr on the day of the back to back meetings of DeM and Charles and the boyhood friends from Rochester.:

https://www.google.com/#psj=1&q=cassidy+kenaf+dryer
See Successor To Jute Fiber . - Google News The Milwp://aukee Journal - Nov 9, 1958
news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19581109&id...
Havana, United States businessmen think that kenaf, a reedy tropical plant, is well on its way to eventually replacing jute. ... Clarke Cassidy, jr., vicepresident of Product Tech niques, Inc., Hudson, Ohio, said the United States ... Joseph Dryer,

Aligning Devine and Dryer backgrounds with what is presented in the Warren Report, the HSCA, by Epstein, and by Bush, there are too many coincidences to be easily minimized or dismissed as Random.
http://www.ctka.net/pre_abc.html
Capital Cities Before it Bought ABC

The communications company Capital Cities was born in 1954 with the purchase by CEO Frank Smith of a UHF TV channel and a small radio station in Albany, New York. And until it purchased ABC in 1985, Cap Cities repeated that paradigm over and over: it bought stations that were performing below par due to management ineptitude and managed to change the management style by keeping operating and labor costs low and turn the station into a profitable asset.

http://www.smokershistory.com/abc.htm
.............
Capital Cities, 1959

"Capital Cities Stations - WROW-AM-FM and WTEN (TV) Albany, WCDB (TV) Hagaman, both N.Y. WCDC (TV) Adams, Mass., WTVD (TV) Durham, N.C. and WPRO-AM-FM-TV Providence, R.I. Ownership: Lowell J. Thomas, 16.2%; Frank M. Smith, 12.10%; John P. McGrath, 5.1%; William J. Casey, 4.4%; Leo W. O'Brien, 2.03%; Dean P. Taylor, 2.6%; Mr. Thomas is the CBS commentator. Messrs. O'Brien and Taylor are Congressmen from New York." (Broadcasting Yearbook 1959, p. 403.)......
Another important factor in Cap Cities growth chart --- as Andy Boehm points out --- was its ties to government insiders and the information they could provide. For instance, when Smith bought WROW in Albany, he realized that the FCC was about to approve a VHF station in the area, the frequency to which he later switched WROW to, thus making it much more profitable and attractive to investors. Smith's most famous partner at the time was Lowell Thomas, the famous journalistic figure who the Arthur Kennedy character in Lawrence of Arabia is modeled upon. Thomas was a member, with William Casey, in the Bohemian Grove, a kind of Trilateral Commission of the West Coast. He was also a member of the Creel Committee, the infamous propaganda camp set up by President Wilson to psychologically motivate the U.S. to take part in World War I...............  As Boehm also points out, Dulles was very friendly with another investor in Cap Cities, Thomas Dewey, to the point of serving as a manager of his presidential campaign in 1948 (both Earl Warren and McGeorge Bundy worked with Dulles on that campaign.)

Capital Cities Broadcasting Elects Murphy as President
‎Wall Street Journal - Oct 8, 1964
NEW YORK Thomas S. Murphy was elected president of Capital Cities Broadcasting Corp. He succeeds Frank M. Smith, who remains chairman and chief ...

FRANK SMITH, 56, RADIO-TV LEADER; Capital Cities Chairman...

New York Times - Aug 8, 1966
Frank Milton Smith, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Capital Cities Broadcasting Corporation, died Saturday of a heart attack in Baltimore....where he attended the funeral of Harmon Duncan, a vice president of the corporation, who died of a heart attack last Wednesday.  Surviving are his widow, Mrs. Lisa Smith; a son, Randall; a daughter, Mrs. Helen Vieser,,,

Capital Cities Names New Chairman

New York Times - Aug 12, 1966
... election of Thomas S. Murphy as chairman and chief executive officer. Mr. Murphy, who continues as president, succeeds the late Frank M. Smith as chairman.

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Winter 2011 Edition - Jellico
www.jellico.us/mountaineer_winter.pdf‎
History of Jellico, TN.
..............
Frank Milton Smith was born in Jellico and became a prominent figure in radio
and television in Cincinnati and New York. He handled contracts with many
prominent figures in the entertainment world and was Lowell Thomas's business
manager

Mrs. Judith Gault Is Married In Maryland to Randall Smith

New York Times - May 31, 1969
Mrs. Judith Greeson Gault was married here today to F. Randall Smith, a financier in ... The b:' is the son of the late .r. and Mrs. Frank M. Smith ef Pawling. ... He is with Train Cabot Associates, a New York investment concern, and is associated.....

https://www.capcounsel.com/895872.htm?FV3_ID=51104146
F Randall Smith Mr. Smith has over 46 years of investment and securities analysis experience.  He founded Capital Counsel in 1999 after 24 years with Train Smith Counsel.  Prior to co-founding Train Smith, Mr. Smith established National Journal, an authoritative publication on the governmental policy-making process, now owned by the Tribune Company.  He was a Security Analyst with Shearson Hammill and later a Principal at WK Whiteford & Co. Mr. Smith began his career in 1961 as a Specialist on the American Stock Exchange after receiving a B.A. degree from Williams College.....

Paths to Power: How Insiders and Outsiders Shaped American ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1422101983
Anthony J. Mayo, ‎Nitin Nohria, ‎Laura G. Singleton - 2006 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
Leo Egan, "C. E. Murphy Gets Appellate Post," New York Times, January 1, 1954, ... "Lowell Thomas Jr. Weds Mary Pryor," New York Times, May 21, 1950, 100.

Search for paradise. From Search for paradise. w M. Witmark & Sons ...
www.copyrightencyclopedia.com/search-for-paradise-from-search-for-p...‎
Lowell Thomas, Jr., Gerald Dickler & Thomas S. Murphy, executors of the Estate of Lowell Thomas. Thomas, Lowell, Jr. Gerald Dickler Thomas S. Murphy Lowell


There was another important intelligence-related partner with Capital Cities in 1954, namely William Casey. Casey's legal advice on how to reply minimally to tax, investment and FCC laws allowed the company to proceed quickly with its acquisitions strategy. One of the milestones in Capital Cities growth was securing the rights to broadcast the Adolf Eichmann trial, a gem of an acquisition that must have been aided by Casey or Dulles, or both. Even though Cap Cities owned only a small number of stations it was chosen over many larger and more appropriate networks to become the world producer and broadcaster of this event by the government of Israel. The incredible publicity given to the trial of the former Nazi gave the young company credibility and recognition.
Two future leaders of Capital Cities, Thomas Murphy and Dan Burke, furthered the original paradigm of Frank Smith: a decentralized management plan and connections in high places. In the former regard, this means a bottom to top organizational plan which stresses cost-cutting and decision making at a lower level and rewards employees for achieving those ends. Murphy once said that his company, "doesn't like to have more personnel than it needs. Too many people with too little to do lead to office politicking and other behavior that's destructive for an organization." Consequently, Cap Cities developed a 'lean and mean' corporate image. This meant that performance was tied to rewards in stocks and bonuses. The performance of the company was very good to its executives. In 1983, Murphy made six million dollars and Burke 4.3 million. An easy way to achieve low-cost programming --- and increased profits --- is to concentrate on local cop stories and shoot-em-ups. Cap Cities pioneered the genre......


Mr. DiEugenio would like to credit Dennis Mazzocco and his book Networks of Power for most of the material that appears in this article.--- Jim DiEugenio
At this link, I have provided an image of a 18 November, 1986 WSJ article clearly describing the heirs of James Crosby who own an interest
in resorts, including the former wife of Frank Brandstetter, and Army Intel officer who worked with Dorothe Matlack
:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Xmu738AZ4XA/UoIoSH4SF8I/AAAAAAAABis/06ckHA2cAr0/s1152/BidForResorts_heirsWSJ18NOV1986.png
Samuel F. Pryor & Son, by Sam Pryor III - The Education Forum
educationforum.ipbhost.com › ... › JFK Assassination Debate‎
Jan 24, 2009 - ChaptersOne – Samuel F. Pryor Sr., 1865-1934 1Two – The Early ... International and whose daughter would become Tom Murphy's wife.

LOWELL THOMAS JR. WEDS MARY PRYOR; Radio Commentator's Son...

New York Times - May 21, 1950
Mr. Thomas was best man for his son. The ushers were Samuel ) F. Pryor ad and Taylor A, ... 'Vt.; Thofna$ Murphy of New Yorit and Art of Lake Placid, N. Y, ..

SUZfflE CROSBY BRIDE ffl SUBURBS; Married at Spring Lake to...


New York Times - Nov 6, 1955
Birschke Mrs. Thomas S. Murphy SUZfflE CROSBY BRIDE ffl SUBURBS Married ... He is a son of Justice Charles E. Murphy of the Appellate Division of the New .....

Resorts Elects .Chairman To Replace Crosby .

Miami News - Apr 16, 1986
Murphy had been vice chairman and secretary of the company. Resorts ... Henry Murphy and his wife Elaine, who is Crosby's sister, own about 10 percent of the ...


http://obits.nj.com/obituaries/trenton/obituary.aspx?n=henry-brown-murphy&pid=166343592
Aug 11, 2013 Henry Brown Murphy PENNINGTON- Henry Brown Murphy, 88, of Pennington died peacefully Thursday. He was born and raised in Trenton, NJ. For more than 50 years, .......He served in the Signal Corps, 3rd Army, European Theatre, from 1943 to 1946. Mr. Murphy was the secretary of Resorts International Inc. for many years before becoming the chairman in 1986 following the death of his brother-in-law, James M. Crosby. - See more at: http://obits.nj.com/obituaries/trenton/obituary.aspx?n=henry-brown-murphy&pid=166343592#sthash.SftfH9wv.dpufHe served in the Signal Corps, 3rd Army, European Theatre, from 1943 to 1946. Mr. Murphy was the secretary of Resorts International Inc. for many years before becoming the chairman in 1986 following the death of his brother-in-law, James M. Crosby. .....Son of the late Rose Brown and M. William Murphy, and brother of the late Catherine Murphy Graham and M. William Murphy Jr., he is survived by his wife of 63 years, Elaine Crosby Murphy; two daughters, .....

After A Death, A Drama Unfolds At Resorts - Philly.com
articles.philly.com/.../26092362_1_james-m-crosby-resorts-international...‎
Nov 16, 1986 - Under Crosby's leadership, Resorts became the first company to enter what is now ... Crosby named as executors Henry Murphy; Thomas S. Murphy, another Crosby brother-in-law and chairman of Capital Cities/ABC Inc.... Thomas and Charles Murphy are brothers; Henry is their cousin.

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/03/27/business/casey-stake-in-capital-cities.html
Published: March 27, 1985

WASHINGTON, March 26— William J. Casey, the Director of Central Intelligence, holds some 34,000 shares in Capital Cities Communications Inc., the company that agreed last week to acquire the American Broadcasting Companies.
Mr. Casey's holdings, according to his latest financial disclosure statement filed last May, are not a part of the diversified trust he set up in October 1983 after criticism from Congress about his finances.
Before becoming head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Mr. Casey had a long involvement with Capital Cities. He was a director from 1957 until 1981 and was also an attorney for the company.
Upon taking office, both Mr. Casey and his wife, according to earlier financial disclosure statements, retained substantial holdings in the company, although some of the stock was sold in October 1981.
The White House press spokesman, Larry Speakes, said Monday that he presumed Mr. Casey's handling and reporting of the broadcasting stock was proper. Mr. Casey was not available for comment on why he left his Capital Cities holdings outside the trust.

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/04/12/obituaries/james-m-crosby-58-founder-of-hotel-and-casino-concern.html
JAMES M. CROSBY, 58, FOUNDER OF HOTEL AND CASINO CONCERN
By JOAN COOK
Published: April 12, 1986

James M. Crosby, the founder and chairman of Resorts International Inc., died during surgery Thursday at New York University Medical Center. Mr. Crosby, who had suffered from severe emphysema for years, was 58 years old and had homes in Manhattan, Atlantic City, and Paradise Island, the Bahamas.
Mr. Crosby made a fortune in the gambling business, although he avoided patronizing the gaming tables because, he once said, he found gambling boring and ''the edge favors the house.'' He opened the nation's first legal casino outside Nevada in 1978, the 750-room Resorts International Casino Hotel, formerly the Haddon Hall, in Atlantic City.
Resorts International also owns casino-hotels in the Bahamas, as well as hundreds of millions of dollars worth of undeveloped real estate. Mr. Crosby and his family control about 60 percent of the company's voting stock.
Mr. Crosby and Resorts International twice overcame licensing difficulties for the Atlantic City casino. In 1978 the company convinced the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement that reports that it had dealt with underworld figures and businessmen of questionable integrity were false. License Renewed Last Year
Last year an investigation disclosed that several hundred thousand dollars paid by Resorts International to two lawyers was passed through a Resorts consultant to the Prime Minister of the Bahamas. After 12 days of hearings, the New Jersey Casino Control Commission voted 3 to 1 to renew the casino license, accepting the company's explanation that it knew nothing about what had happened to the money.
James Morris Crosby, one of six children, was born in Great Neck, L.I. He attended preparatory school in Lawrenceville, N.J., and graduated from Georgetown University with a degree in economics. He worked as a Wall street investment banker for eight years, then became president of the Unexcelled Chemical Corporation of New Jersey.
When Mr. Crosby's father joined Thomas E. Dewey and other investors to buy the Mary Carter Paint Company in 1958, Mr. Crosby, then a 31-year-old businessman, was made chairman. He diversified the company into real estate and then hotels and gambling casinos in the Bahamas. In 1968 he dropped the dwindling paint business and changed the name of the company to Resorts International.
He is survived by his mother, Emilie M. Crosby of Spring Lake, N.J.; two sisters, Elaine Murphy of Trenton, and Suzanne Murphy of Rye, N.Y.; and three brothers, Dr. John F. Jr. of Naples, Fla., William, of Tampa, Fla., and P. F. Crosby of Cary, Ill.....
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17022#entry213844
Marianne von Brandstetter

Spouse (s) Frank Baron von Brandstetter Hubicki (divorced), James Crosby (widow).......
http://www.ctka.net/abc_cap.html
The Seizing of the
American Broadcasting Company
This article originally appeared in the February 20-27, 1987 issue of The LA Weekly.

There is an untold story about the ABC television network. It is about how a company in which CIA Director William Casey is a major player took over the network. The least of the questions this raises is whether Casey used his CIA position to help drive down the price of ABC stock, thereby facilitating the takeover. The most important question it raises is, who really controls ABC, and what can be expected of these people?
..........
At issue in the ABC situation in particular is an extraordinary story overlooked by most of the press and never taken up by congressional investigators: Who actually took over ABC when Capital Cities Communications bought it in March 1985? For "Cap Cities" is no ordinary company, and the takeover was no ordinary case of corporate wheeling and dealing. Specifically, an L.A. Weekly investigation has found that:


  • Cap Cities' primary executive Thomas Murphy, his family and some of Cap Cities' founders had or have a relationship with another firm known to have excellent connections in the intelligence community through one of its subsidiaries. The same firm has also been accused of Mafia ties.

  • William Casey, the just-resigned head of the CIA and a lifelong maneuverer for that agency in the corporate and Wall Street communities, was and is a major player in Cap Cities. A founder and former director of the company, Casey placed all his stock holdings into a blind trust, except --- in violation of his agreement with Congress --- for his holdings in Cap Cities.

  • The CIA challenged ABC's right to retain its broadcasting licenses just before Cap Cities bought out the company and during the period it was negotiating for the purchase. This attack had the result of driving down the price of ABC stock on the public market........                           

  • .............................
  • Cap Cities was founded in 1954 by several men who were or would become prominent. Chief among them, and the principal players in the company, were famed explorer-newscaster Thomas; Tom Dewey, the former New York governor and twice GOP candidate for president (both, like most other Cap Cities founders, now deceased); and William J. Casey, who was Cap Cities' chief counsel and a member of its board of directors until 1981, when he joined the Reagan administration. He still owns $7.5 million in stock in the now-merged entity called CC/ABC, his largest holding.
    Casey should require no introduction. Appointed by Reagan in 1981 as director of the Central Intelligence Agency, he brought to the job an early training in intelligence in the wartime Office of Strategic Services (which later became the CIA) and a lifelong network of friends and allies in the intelligence community. Crafty, secretive, an ardent supporter of covert action and a big-time player in corporate politics, Casey is part of an "old boy" network of intelligence hands who have frequently used American companies to help in intelligence or covert-action matters or, as in the case of ITT and the CIA in Chile, persuaded the CIA to help out in corporate affairs. (Using corporations to help out in a variety of ways --- from washing money, to providing fake business to CIA "front companies," to furnishing cover for intelligence agents --- was a specialty of the man who did the most to give the CIA its power and covert network: its former director, Allen Dulles, a friend, wartime colleague and, rumor has it, business partner of Casey.)
    Lowell Thomas was a larger-than-life figure --- an explorer, a broadcast personality, a film documentarist and a best-selling author. The Soviets long accused Thomas of also being an American intelligence agent because he often appeared with photographers and film crews at highly sensitive points of "communist versus the Free World" conflict. Thomas, though he had at minimum good journalistic connections in the U.S. intelligence community, always denied being a spook in the face of published articles questioning his activities. But he made no bones about his staunch anti-communist leanings. (He even appeared with John Wayne, Martha Raye and several U.S. generals in No Substitute for Victory, a denunciation of commie-coddling sponsored by the far-right John Birch Society.)
    Thomas lived in a New York state enclave for the rich where one of his neighbors was Thomas E. Dewey. (Another was Lawrence E. Walsh, later to become special prosecutor in the Iran-Contra affair.) Dewey and Thomas later were involved in another company, Mary Carter Paint, which later became Resorts International (more on this below).
    Before becoming governor of New York and a presidential candidate, Dewey had been a U.S. attorney and district attorney in New York City, where his biggest success was putting behind bars Mafia chieftain Lucky Luciano, who was Meyer Lansky's mentor. As governor during World War II, Dewey agreed to a deal to parole Luciano in exchange for Mafia assistance to the OSS and Naval Intelligence. The assistance involved helping with the invasion of Sicily and using Mafia-controlled dock workers to guard against Nazi saboteurs.
    This led to a long association between the OSS' successor agency --- the CIA --- and the Mafia. According to Rolling Stone investigative reporter Howard Kohn, much of the association passed through Dewey. Kohn has reported that both the CIA (via Dulles) and the Mafia (via Lansky) funneled money and valuable information to Dewey's political campaigns as well as to Dewey's protege, Richard Nixon, and to Nixon's pal Florida Sen. George Smathers, like Nixon a close friend of the shadowy Bebe Rebozo. Kohn alleged that Rebozo and Lansky went on to further profitable associations with Resorts International.
    Even before becoming governor, Dewey had close ties to the intelligence community. He was known as "the man" in the U.S. attorney's office who could be relied on to threaten New York publishers with prosecution if they were to publish books revelatory of intelligence matters. Dewey helped suppress several such books.
    Joining Dewey and the Murphy family in Cap Cities ownership were powerful New York GOP leader Alger Chapman and, for balance, John McGrath, who managed Democrat Averill Harriman's New York gubernatorial races in the 1950s. Also purchasing Cap Cities stock were the following members of the U.S. House of Representatives: Leo O'Brien, Eugene Keogh and James Delaney, all New York Democrats; and Peter Rodino, New Jersey Democrat and presently head of the House Judiciary Committee.
    The final important founding player in Capital Cities is its president, Tom Murphy, who Wall Street and media executives widely consider to be among the most talented and successful businessmen alive. (He is also a director of Texaco and IBM.) A very private man, Murphy associates mainly with his relatives and business cronies, while avoiding the public attention cultivated by media moguls like Ted Turner.

    Murphy's Gang


  • In terms of knowing who the players are behind ABC, these relatives and business associates loom large. Chief among them are people prominent in Resorts International, which, as mentioned above, began as Mary Carter Paint Company and was purchased in 1959 by an investment group that included Lowell Thomas and Thomas Dewey.
    Rolling Stone in 1977, after being legally challenged by Resorts, retracted a story that CIA Director Allen Dulles was majorly involved in the buyout. Quoting CIA sources, Kohn wrote that in 1958 Dulles gave Dewey and Thomas $2 million in CIA money to set up a front company. With it they supposedly bought Crosby-Miller Corp, which merged with Mary Carter a year later. In its retraction, Rolling Stone noted that while it respected Kohn as a researcher, Resorts International had shown the magazine persuasive evidence that Kohn had been wrong or been misled by his sources.
    Tom Murphy was, according to at least one published report, another member of the purchasing group. So was a man named John Crosby, whose sone James would become chief executive of Mary Carter/Resorts International and whose daughter would become Tom Murphy's wife.
    James Crosby, who died last April, was a close friend of Nixon (to whose campaign he donated $100,000 in 1968) and Rebozo, and he played host to the recently deposed Shah of Iran at Resorts International's hotel on Paradise Island in the Bahamas. (The shah, of course, was put on the Persian throne in a coup engineered by the CIA, and maintained close lifelong ties to the agency; it is axiomatic that the agency would have tried to see to his welfare after he fled the country.) John Crosby, according to Kohn, had been, like Casey, a "member of the secret circle that lobbied for establishment of the CIA after World War II."
    During the early 70s, Resort International/Mary Carter's activities were occasionally cited in the left-wing press as evidence that it had been carrying out CIA business. When similar allegations appeared in a Las Vegas newspaper, Resorts --- as in the case of Rolling Stone --- threatened suit and won a full retraction......

  • Now here is where it gets clearer why I included the 1963 CIA document with the reference to WUSALINE, the investment manager of proprietary CIA corporations coincidentally located in the same offices as Devine and Train of Train, Cabot, and Train and F Randall Smith
  • of Smith, Train Investment Counsel,,,,

The Death of Forbes Russian Editor Paul Klebnikov
nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/10193/index1.html‎
After Berkeley, Klebnikov pressed on with his studies, going to the London School ... In 1991, he married Musa Train, whom he had known since childhood (they have the same godfather). He married well, and certainly wealthy: Musa’s father, John Train, was a major Wall Street banker.

Paul Klebnikov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Paul Klebnikov (June 3, 1963 – July 9, 2004) was an American journalist and ... Helen "Musa" Train,



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Helen Train Wed to Paul Klebnikov - New York Times
www.nytimes.com/1991/09/23/.../helen-train-wed-to-paul-klebnikov.ht...‎
Sep 23, 1991 - Mr. Klebnikov, 28 years old, is a son of George Klebnikov of New York and the late Alexandra Klebnikov. He graduated from the University of ...


The Man Who Knew Too Much - CBS News
www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-691763.html‎
Jul 6, 2009 - Roughly a dozen have been killed since President Vladimir Putin took office. But Paul Klebnikov was the first American journalist to be killed ...

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/13/world/george-klebnikov-73-a-language-wizard.html
By ROBERT McG. THOMAS Jr
Published: November 13, 1996
George Klebnikov, a pioneer of simultaneous language interpretation at the Nuremberg trials who helped introduce the art to the United Nations and later became chief of interpretation services there, died yesterday in Mount Sinai Hospital. He was 73 and lived in Manhattan.
His wife, Sarah, said the cause was complications of a stroke.
The son of a former Russian cavalry officer who fled the country after the Communist Revolution and eventually settled in France, Mr. Klebnikov -- who was born in what is now Gdansk, Poland -- acquired a facility for languages early.
He learned Russian from his parents, picked up German from a nursemaid, became fluent in French when the family moved to Paris while he was still a child and mastered English during a summer he spent in England when he was 11. He later added Spanish, Portuguese and Italian to his repertory.
He was a college student in Paris after World War II when he was recruited by the Americans as an interpreter at the war crimes trials in Nuremberg, where simultaneous interpretation first replaced the traditional and time-consuming system of sequential interpretations.

Although an elaborate closed-circuit telephone system using microphones and headsets made simultaneous interpretation technically feasible, the rapid-fire linguistic skills of Mr. Klebnikov and his colleagues made the new system a success. They so streamlined the proceedings, Mr. Klebnikov liked to point out, that Hermann Goring complained that the simultaneous interpretations were shortening his life.
Mr. Klebnikov and a few of his Nuremberg colleagues were brought to New York in 1946 to demonstrate the technique at the newly formed United Nations, but although simultaneous interpretation became a standard part of United Nations deliberations from then on, diplomats were so suspicious of the new system that it was several years before the redundant sequential interpretation was phased out.
In a field in which an interpreter always translates into his main, or home, language, Mr. Klebnikov was a rarity at the United Nations -- an interpreter with two home languages, French and English. But he did most of his work translating French or Russian into English.
As a result, Americans who followed United Nations debates during the height of the Cold War often heard the two-hour diatribes of the chief Soviet delegate, Andrei Vishinsky, in Mr. Klebnikov's cultured voice.
Along the way he became a master in cross-linguistic invective, which often requires, rather than word-for-word interpretation of national metaphors that would be meaningless in another language, the substitution of one idiomatic phrase for another. Ever alert to the subtle gradations of the languages of anger and sarcasm, Mr. Klebnikov, who believed that acting training helped make the well-rounded interpreter, took pride in his ability to find an English phrase that matched the precise degree of invective of the original.
Mr. Klebnikov, who became an American citizen and obtained master's and doctorate degrees in French from Columbia University, also provided interpretation for a variety of international gatherings, including the 1954 meetings in Geneva that led to the French withdrawal from Vietnam and the secretive Dartmouth Conferences that brought American and Soviet public figures together for informal exchanges.
In addition to his work as an interpreter, Mr. Klebnikov took occasional diplomatic assignments and was a member of the United Nations observation team in Korea at the time of the North Korean invasion of South Korea in 1950.
Mr. Klebnikov, who had the barest trace of a foreign accent in English but spoke Russian, German and French like a native, enjoyed his work so much that he continued to accept free-lance assignments after his mandatory retirement in 1983 after a decade as a United Nations Director, Chief of Interpretation Service of the United Nations.
He also relished using his language skills in his private life, always ordering in French at French restaurants, for example, and ruing the day the old Russian Tea Room stopped employing Russian-born waiters.
A man who looked, acted and ate as well as sounded like a diplomat, Mr. Klebnikov took special pains with his wardrobe -- so much so that in a good-natured roast at the time of his retirement, he was portrayed by his colleagues as swimming away from the invading North Korean troops while holding aloft his prized collection of Hermes ties.
In addition to his wife, Mr. Klebnikov is survived by four children from a previous marriage, three sons, Michael, Peter and Paul; and a daughter, Anna Brinsmade; all of New York; and three grandsons.
Sarah Douglas Coffin Married

New York Times - Jan 14, 1980



Note the name above in the wedding article:
Other 20 -- No Title

The Sun - Nov 1, 1981
... daughter of Elizabeth Car- roll Hollyday, of the Or- chards, and Guy T. Holly- day, of Bolton Hill, to Ire- dell Waddell Iglehart III, son of Mr. and Mrs. Iredell W, .....

His aunt and uncle were both CIA.......

Wing Sommers Blake | Mildred A. NigroWorked in food serviceMass ...
articles.baltimoresun.com/1992.../1992082060_1_nigro-sommers-mawr‎
Mar 22, 1992 - A memorial service for Anne Iglehart Sommers, a Baltimore native and former CIA employee, will be at 11 a.m. Saturday at Christ Church of

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=19431#entry273518

Frank F Sommers, Jr. was nearing the end of his CIA career when he served under diplomatic cover in Laos in the mid-70's. Sylvia's brother Charles Whitehouse who we are told left the CIA, was American ambassador in Laos at that time and Priscilla Johnson's friend Alan Davidson was British ambassador in Laos at that time. Priscilla had been an attendant of Davidson's wife in their 1951 wedding. Davidson's wife was the first cousin of Jock Whitney estate four decade long "fixture," Jinx Falkenburg.
 
Here is a bit of news mentioning Frank's wife:
Other 14 -- No Title

The Sun - Aug 12, 1959
... M. _ ISS REBEKAH E. THOMAS, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Ralph L. Thomas, of St. ... to Frankfort, Germany, where she was met by Mrs. Frank Feldher Sommers. Jr., formerly of Baltimore, and later visited Miss Mary Eyre Baldwin, daughter of...
Mrs. Ralph L. Thomas Dies Of Heart Attack At Hospital
The Sun - Mar 9, 1965
Mrs. Ralph Llewellyn Thomas, member of a prominent Maryland family died ... sister of Beverly Ober, former po- lice commissioner of Baltimore and sister-in-law of Norman Thomas, ... She graduated from Bryn Mawr School, married Mr. Thomas on April 22, ... are two children, Gustavus Ober Thomas and Miss Hebekah Eliza- beth Thomas;- two brothers, J,
 

RL THOMAS SERVICES SET
‎The Sun - Nov 19, 1965
Services for Ralph Llewellyn Thomas, former vice president and executive ... Mr. Thomas, who was a brother of Norman Thomas, six limes a candidate on the ... Mr. Thomas was married lo the former Rebekah Ober, who died earlierthis year....
 
Svetlana's Editor? None Other Than Evan Thomas, Son a Socialist!
Boston Globe - Apr 29, 1967
Three decades later there is an even more unusual sequel; his son, Evan Thomas of Harper and Row, will edit Svetlana Stalin's book. .
 
Evan Thomas 2d Dies at 78; Published Many Best Sellers -...
‎New York Times - Mar 5, 1999
By ALEX KUCZYNSKI Evan Welling Thomas 2d, a book editor who ... Mr. Thomas rose through the ranks to editor in chief at Harper & Brothers, ... His father was Norman Thomas, who ran for President on the Socialist Party ticket six times.
 
(The grandson of Norman Thomas and the grand-nephew of Ralph L. Thomas. Ralph's daughter was able to vacation in 1959 with clandestine CIA agent Anne Calhoun Iglehart Sommers while she was serving on undercover CIA assignment in W. Germany.
 
Journalist EVAN THOMAS : NPR
‎NPR - Oct 23, 1995
Journalist EVAN THOMAS. ... THOMAS had access to the CIA's own records about their operations, and he interviewed many of the men involved. THOMAS was ..
The author of the 1975 article in the image above should have done more research. She seems to have missed the real reason Jackie  Onassis was spending so much time socializing with Paris Review's Clem Wood.
 
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Jackie's lifelong friend, Jessie Leigh Hunt, was first married to a first cousin of OSS London Chief during WWII, David KA Bruce. She married her second husband, Clement "Clem" Biddle Wood in 1964, and they resided on Spetsai, the same carless Greek Island as CIA's "Hod" Fuller.http://archives.sps....r=&SearchMode=0
Archive Name: Alumni Horae
Volume 75, Issue 1, Page 105, Obituaries 132
Originally published: Spring 1995
Obituary: Clement Biddle Wood, Jr.

....Survivors include his wife, Jessie Leigh-Hunt Bruce, whom he married in 1964;

Two Brides Entertained
‎The Sun - Feb 11, 1951
Miss Anne Calhoun Iglehart and her brother, Mr. Iredell W. Iglehart, will give a party ... It will be
In honor of Miss Jessie Leigh Hunt and her fiance, Mr. Albert.

https://www.google.c...iw=1440&bih=723

Miss Leigh-Hunt Wed To Mr. Bruce

The Sun - Feb 25, 1951
MISS JESSIE LEIGH-HUNT, daughter of Mr. Henry Leigh Hunt, of Las Vegas, Nev., and Countess Palffy, of
Paris, France, was married yesterday to Mr. Albert Cabell Bruce, Jr., son of Mr. and Mrs. Albert Cabell
Bruce, of Charlcote road.
The bridesmaids wore Miss ine Bridesmaids wore Mils Helena Leigh-Hunt and Miss Alexandra Leigh-Hunt,
sisters, of the bride: Miss Mary Elizabeth Le May. Miss Jacqueline Bouvicr, bnth of Washington, DC;
Miss B. Perkins, of Santa Cal., and Mrs. S. Bonsai Jr., of this city. All wore green taffeta and car-
yellow daisies.  Mr. Iredell W. Iglehart was man. The ushers were Mr B. Reeves, Mr. David Mr. J. Edward
Johnston, Mr. F.  ....

http://www.nytimes.c...ry-in-june.html
Wendelin SlusserTo Marry in June - NYTimes.com

New York Times - Mar 17, 1985
Her fiance is a son of Jessie Leigh Hunt Wood of Water Mill, LI, and Spetsai, Greece, and Albert Cabell
Bruce Jr. of Hilton Head Island, SC A June wedding is......
 
http://news.google.c...pg=6946,2944327


NUPTIALS iRE-HELD, FOR, MISS NBBOLSINE; Youri'Khlebnikoff...

New York Times - Sep 8, 1952




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Emerson
Rupert Emerson (August 20, 1899, in Rye, NY – February 9, 1979, in Cambridge, MA) was a professor of political science and international relations. He served on the faculty of Harvard University for forty-three years and served in various U.S government positions......

SOCIETY: Many Debs Plan Summer Work Before College

Daily Boston Globe - Jun 20, 1951
... CHURCH Cambridge on June 9, Miss Nina Ule Emerson daughter of Mr and Mrs Rupert Emerson of Cambridge be- came the bride of William Andrew Opel of Leavenworth Kas Given in marriage by her father who is chairman of the department of government at Harvard the bride was attended by her cousin Miss Alexandra Nebolsine of New York The bridesmaids were her....

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Rosemary Coffin; expanded elderly-care choices in N.H.
Globe Staff / March 5, 2011
........“She was absolutely fearless,’’ said her daughter, Sarah Coffin Klebnikov O’Connor, of New York City.
Mrs. Coffin, whose volunteer work won many honors, among them a Point of Light designation from President George H.W. Bush, died of stroke and heart failure Feb. 22 at her home in RiverWoods at Exeter. She was 88.....

I am making the same point as in a few posts ago in this thread. John Train knew Youri Khlebnikoff, aka George Klebnikov for many years.
Train's daughter, Helen was born in 1962. The NY Mag. article states she had the same godfather as Klebnikov's son. Judging by the backgrounds
of Paul's parent and the names in their 8 Sept., 1952 wedding article displayed above, John Train seems to have had the connections in 1962,
aside from the fact that his partner F. Randall Smith was the son of Bill Casey's Cap Cities partner Frank M Smith, to find all that was needed to
know about George DeMohrenschildt in a day or two. Why the reports of so much curiousity about DeMohrenschildt by Devine.

I already posted a 1961 article that showed all that was needed to know about Clemard Charles. A sort meeting in April, 1963 should have been
all that was needed to update intel on Charles.

I am thinking that either the CIA Wubriny WUsaline documents are part of a BS set up to embarrass/pressure Bush or Devine, Train, et al, or they were in deeper with DeMohrenschildt than we are ever going to know......

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Tom Scully wrote:Helen Train Wed to Paul Klebnikov - New York Times
www.nytimes.com/1991/09/23/.../helen-train-wed-to-paul-klebnikov.ht...‎
Sep 23, 1991 - Mr. Klebnikov, 28 years old, is a son of George Klebnikov of New York and the late Alexandra Klebnikov. He graduated from the University of ...


The Man Who Knew Too Much - CBS News
www.cbsnews.com/8301-18559_162-691763.html‎
Jul 6, 2009 - Roughly a dozen have been killed since President Vladimir Putin took office. But Paul Klebnikov was the first American journalist to be killed ...

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/13/world/george-klebnikov-73-a-language-wizard.html
By ROBERT McG. THOMAS Jr
Published: November 13, 1996
George Klebnikov, a pioneer of simultaneous language interpretation at the Nuremberg trials who helped introduce the art to the United Nations and later became chief of interpretation services there, died yesterday in Mount Sinai Hospital. He was 73 and lived in Manhattan.
His wife, Sarah, said the cause was complications of a stroke.
The son of a former Russian cavalry officer who fled the country after the Communist Revolution and eventually settled in France, Mr. Klebnikov -- who was born in what is now Gdansk, Poland -- acquired a facility for languages early.
He learned Russian from his parents, picked up German from a nursemaid, became fluent in French when the family moved to Paris while he was still a child and mastered English during a summer he spent in England when he was 11. He later added Spanish, Portuguese and Italian to his repertory.
He was a college student in Paris after World War II when he was recruited by the Americans as an interpreter at the war crimes trials in Nuremberg, where simultaneous interpretation first replaced the traditional and time-consuming system of sequential interpretations.

Although an elaborate closed-circuit telephone system using microphones and headsets made simultaneous interpretation technically feasible, the rapid-fire linguistic skills of Mr. Klebnikov and his colleagues made the new system a success. They so streamlined the proceedings, Mr. Klebnikov liked to point out, that Hermann Goring complained that the simultaneous interpretations were shortening his life.
Mr. Klebnikov and a few of his Nuremberg colleagues were brought to New York in 1946 to demonstrate the technique at the newly formed United Nations, but although simultaneous interpretation became a standard part of United Nations deliberations from then on, diplomats were so suspicious of the new system that it was several years before the redundant sequential interpretation was phased out.
In a field in which an interpreter always translates into his main, or home, language, Mr. Klebnikov was a rarity at the United Nations -- an interpreter with two home languages, French and English. But he did most of his work translating French or Russian into English.
As a result, Americans who followed United Nations debates during the height of the Cold War often heard the two-hour diatribes of the chief Soviet delegate, Andrei Vishinsky, in Mr. Klebnikov's cultured voice.
Along the way he became a master in cross-linguistic invective, which often requires, rather than word-for-word interpretation of national metaphors that would be meaningless in another language, the substitution of one idiomatic phrase for another. Ever alert to the subtle gradations of the languages of anger and sarcasm, Mr. Klebnikov, who believed that acting training helped make the well-rounded interpreter, took pride in his ability to find an English phrase that matched the precise degree of invective of the original.
Mr. Klebnikov, who became an American citizen and obtained master's and doctorate degrees in French from Columbia University, also provided interpretation for a variety of international gatherings, including the 1954 meetings in Geneva that led to the French withdrawal from Vietnam and the secretive Dartmouth Conferences that brought American and Soviet public figures together for informal exchanges.
In addition to his work as an interpreter, Mr. Klebnikov took occasional diplomatic assignments and was a member of the United Nations observation team in Korea at the time of the North Korean invasion of South Korea in 1950.
Mr. Klebnikov, who had the barest trace of a foreign accent in English but spoke Russian, German and French like a native, enjoyed his work so much that he continued to accept free-lance assignments after his mandatory retirement in 1983 after a decade as a United Nations Director, Chief of Interpretation Service of the United Nations........

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I am thinking that either the CIA Wubriny WUsaline documents are part of a BS set up to embarrass/pressure Bush or Devine, Train, et al, or they were in deeper with DeMohrenschildt than we are ever going to know......
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11517&page=5#entry252034
Guest_Tom Scully_* Posted 14 May 2012 -
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Below is a thumbnail of an image file attachment. The image file is of the 1939 Citizenship Naturalization document of George A. Bouhe. It includes the names, addresses and signatures of two sponsors of Bouhe, Stewart Dyckman and Alexander Daniloff. Stewart Dyckman's parents were Willaim A. Dyckman, son of William H. and Naomi Dyckman of Orange, NJ, and Clare M. Stewart, daughter of Douglas Stewart of Ottawa, CA, and granddaughter of a Nova Scotia lumber baron from Scotland. The W.A. Dyckman house is preserved in Dallas.

I expect that Bouhe went to Dallas at the behest of Stewart Dyckman. .........
New York Times - Oct 31, 1960
SEA CLIFF, L, I., Oct. 30u Alexander Daniloff of 48 Littleworth Lane, a translator at the United Nations for the last twelve years, died yesterday in the Community ...




ALEXANDER DANILOFF
‎New York Times - Oct 31, 1960



(Some sort of a "Kremlin in exile"?)

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SERGE UGHET, 78, CZARIST OFFICIAL; Imperial Russia's Last...

New York Times - May 10, 1963






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Mrs. Dyckman's Funeral Planned;
Dallas Morning News; Page: 8;
Date: 11-15-1952;
Funeral Services will be held at 3:30 p.m. Saturday at Sparkman-Brand Chapel
2115 Ross, for Mrs. William S. Dyckman, 4602 Gilbert who died while on a
visit to her son Stewart Dyckman in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, Monday.
Mrs. Dyckman was seventy-six, she was a native of Oxford, Nova Scotia and
had been a resident of Dallas for forty-five years. Her husband who died in 1948,
was in the real estate business here. She was a member of the Episcopal Church
of the Incarnation.
Besides her son, Mrs. Dyckman is survived by two daughters Mrs. W. B. Newsome
of Dallas and Mrs. J.G.W. Thomas of Lowell, Mass., a brother Alan Stewart of
Ottawa, Canada and ten grandchildren.
The Rev. C. Gresham Marmion, Jr., pastor of the Episcopal Church of Incarnation,
will be in charge of the services. Burial will be at Hillcrest Memorial Park.
Pallbearers are:Emory Martin, Virgil Hooks, Jr., Lawson Goggans, Jr.,
George F. Cox, E.J. Piguet, Jack C. Swain, George Bouhe and
H.S. Ralston

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 13 Nov 2013, 2:51 pm

Can Scully turn over the stones or what! Do you do FBI background checks on the side, Tom?
 
Please don't ever check into my past, OK? I mean…I didn't intend to throw that kid into the river in 7th grade; I just wanted to scare the jerk. But he slipped out of my grasp. Anyway it was worth a few whacks with the (no holes) paddle in the principal's office, because the bastard never bothered me again.
 
Great work Tom.

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Post by Mark A. O'Blazney on Wed 13 Nov 2013, 7:26 pm

"Turn over the stones"?  Stan, this is more like going on an expedition into Middle Earth with Dr. Brooks Agnew.  Now THERE'S a gent with a coat-of-arms !  Again, thanks for the gumshoeing, Tom.  This is a lot of reading, but well worth the focus.
The Russians are Coming!  Emergency!  Everybody to get from street!

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Mark A. O'Blazney wrote:"Turn over the stones"?  Stan, this is more like going on an expedition into Middle Earth with Dr. Brooks Agnew.  Now THERE'S a gent with a coat-of-arms !  Again, thanks for the gumshoeing, Tom.  This is a lot of reading, but well worth the focus.
The Russians are Coming!  Emergency!  Everybody to get from street!
I hear you, Mark. If asked, Tom could probably dig up the school picture and birth certificate of Bilbo Baggins.
 
Sean's currently heaping on the praise over at the ED Forum: "Tom Scully really does deserve huge credit for nailing the Shelley ID."

You da man, Tom!

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Stan and Mark, thank you, and I have to warn you and other readers that this study is not lending itself to brevity. I am still encouraged, because it keeps on giving and seems to speak for itself in a number of ways. To recap, we have two United Nations interpreters, George (Youri) (Khlebnikoff , Khlebnikov, ) Klebnikov, and Alexander Daniloff. Daniloff was one of two sponsors of George A. Bouhe's 1939 application for US citizenship. John Train's daughter Helen "Musa" Train married Paul Klebnikov in 1991, son of George Klebnikov and Alexandra Nebolsine. A nymag.com article claimed that Ms. Train and Paul Klebnikov had the same godfather. The best man in the wedding of George Klebnikov and Alexandra Nelbosine was Prince George Vassiltchicov, a co-pioneer with George Klebnikov of the United Nation's instantaneous translation department and as good a candidate so far, for the 
unknown godfather slot. The mutual godfather would also have to be a close and trusted friend of John Train or of his first wife, Maria Theresa Cimi,


Interpreters at the United Nations. A history - Page 89
books.google.com/books?isbn=8478006435
Jesús Baigorri Jalón - 2004

One of the main sources of early interpreters at the UN was Russian emigres, who covered interpreting needs for a long time....

We must remember that the simultaneous interpreters were, on average, younger than the consecutive interpreters and that some of them were really very young indeed.
Some of the interpreters who had worked in New York moved to Geneva during this period, others had reached retirement age and others left the UN to work as interpreters elsewhere or to take up some other career. All the vacancies left by the early «naturals» had to be filled, using the different sources available. Just as an example, a large number of those who interpreted
from Russian during this period in New York gave up their position for various reasons: some moved into other administrative posts in the UN or the UN system (Sherry, Teslenko,
Krymm); others moved to Geneva (Thorgevsky, Soubbotnik, Margoulies, Lourie); some left the UN (Vassiltchikov, Priceman) and some retired (Astroff, Jaquith). Most of them had learnt Russian when they were children or adolescents, either ...




Interpreters at the United Nations. A history - Page 168
books.google.com/books?isbn=8478006435
Jesús Baigorri Jalón - 2004 - ‎Preview
.....The way they learned these languages to a sufficient « native speaker» level was by means of direct contact with both. Polyglots are found mainly in privileged social groups (like the wealthier classes of Zsarist Russia who were educated by foreign governesses); government employees and professionals in colonial empires and...

The Origins of Simultaneous Interpretation: The Nuremberg Trial


books.google.com/books?isbn=0776604570
Francesca Gaiba - 1998 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
The Nuremberg Trial Francesca Gaiba ... 76 Writings of Mr. Uiberall include: "Court Interpreting at the Nuremberg Trial. ... George Vassiltchikov George Vassiltchikov was hired by the Nuremberg Translation Division to work as court interpreter for ... He left Nuremberg on August 12, 1946 to fly to Paris in order to leave there on August 16 for New York City, where he started to work for the United Nations.

Them: A Memoir of Parents - Page 333
books.google.com/books?isbn=0143037196
Francine du Plessix Gray - 2006 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
Prince George Vassiltchikov was a twenty-eight-year-old Russian emigre who like most Russian noblemen had been brought up by ... And after the liberation his linguistic skills brought him to the attention of the military authorities establishing the Nuremberg trials, of which he ... English more mellifluously than any other member of the UN's large staff of translators: He apparently needed an audience of ... His sister, Princess Tatiana Metternich, was a close friend of Elena Shuvalov, who introduced him to the Libermans in 1946 when he arrived in New York to serve as an interpreter at the newly founded United Nations. “Georgie,” as he was...

George Klebnikov, 73, a Language Wizard - New York Times
www.nytimes.com › COLLECTIONS › RUSSIAN‎
Nov 13, 1996 - George Klebnikov, a pioneer of simultaneous language interpretation at the Nuremberg trials who helped introduce ... liked to point out, that Hermann Goring complained that the simultaneous interpretations were shortening his life. ... But he did most of his work translating French or Russian into English
books.google.com/books?isbn=1590170989 wrote:
Intelligence Wars: American Secret History from Hitler to ... - Page 31
Thomas Powers - 2004 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
The Berlin Diaries, 1940-1945 of Marie "Missie" Vassiltchikov (Knopf, 1986) provides a vivid portrait of the psychology of ... Churchill's minute to the Foreign Office is quoted by her brother George, who edited the diaries for publication, on page ..

Berlin Diaries: 1940 - 1945 - Page 56
books.google.com/books?id=4vifAAAAMAAJ
Marie Vassiltchikov - 1985 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
1940 - 1945 Marie Vassiltchikov ... For the rest, this annotator has limited himself to a brief summary of ... Missie in Berlin to her brother George in Rome, 1July 194 1 Burchard of Prussia was just here, after being sent back from the Russian ...


Through Footless Halls of Air: The Stories of a Few of the ... - Page 99

books.google.com/books?isbn=1896182445
Floyd Williston - 1996 - ‎Preview
... Vassiltchikov (Wassiltchikoff), a trusted employee in the information department of the German Foreign Ministry in Berlin. ... In writing about her sister's association with persons involved in the 1944 plot against Hitler, she also suggests that her  husband, Paul, had some peripheral .....
Two years later, in August 1978, Marie (Missie) (Vassiltchikov) Harnden, who was born in St. Petersburg, Russia, died of ... 1985 when her brother George arranged for its publication under an all-too-obvious title Berlin Diaries, 1940-1945.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1526683/Princess-Tatiana-von-Metternich.html

Princess Tatiana von Metternich
12:01AM BST 19 Aug 2006
.....Living in Berlin, Bohemia and later on the Rhine during the Second World War, she witnessed the effect of Nazism on Germany, was close to those involved in the unsuccessful plot to kill Hitler in 1944,...


.....This she described in her memoirs, Tatiana - Five Passports in a Shifting Europe, and the story of those times was later re-told in the memorable Berlin Diaries 1940-1945 by her sister, Princess Marie Wassiltchikov......She was born Princess Tatiana Wassiltchikov in St Petersburg on January 1 1915, the second daughter of Prince Illarion Wassiltchikov, a member of the Russian Imperial Parliament, and his wife, Princess Lydia Wiazemsky. Her childhood was overshadowed by the deaths of many of her parents' friends and relations, victims of the Revolution. She owed her departure from Russia to King George V, who sent a British warship to rescue his aunt, the Dowager Empress of Russia, from the Crimea. The Empress refused to leave unless those who wished to escape accompanied her, and the British fleet obliged by sending as many ships as possible.
Before sailing, the young Tatiana waited with other Russian children and their English nannies at Alubka, the grand folly of the Vorontzovs near Yalta, and sat patiently on a stone lion on the terrace. (The lion was still there when she returned with a group from Serenissima in 1982.)
Thus, in April 1919, the Wassiltchikov family sailed in Princess Ena. All the children took with them were one toy and a few books, some of them lesson books. In due course they arrived in France, and Tatiana's early years were spent as a peripatetic refugee in France, Germany and Lithuania.
When she was 10 she went with her sister Missie (from whom she was inseparable) to the French Lycée of St Germain-en-Laye, on the outskirts of Paris, but money was short and they were quite often kept out of school due to unpaid school fees. Amongst their friends was Prince Felix Youssoupoff, murderer of Rasputin, of whom their mother rather disapproved.
The outbreak of the Second World War found Tatiana in Germany with Missie. In January 1940 the two sisters moved to Berlin in search of work, finding the city surprisingly normal, despite the nightly blackouts and food rationing. Within days Tatiana had been employed by the Auswärtiges Amt (German Foreign Ministry) because she spoke good French.
One evening she and a friend were outside the Hotel Adlon and saw groups of SS officers, clearly waiting for important people. They took up places in the hotel. "A few minutes later," she recalled, "the doors were flung open and in marched Hitler, Goering, Goebbels and a few others: they strutted past our table in a tight group. How small they were! They looked like stuffed dolls, unreal, a caricature of the likenesses published for the edification of the people, almost as grotesque as targets at a fair, but they exuded importance and frightening power. The fascination they seemed to exercise over the hushed and reverent assembly, frozen into a servile smile, was due to the irresistible attraction of Might!"
In August 1940 Tatiana met Prince Paul Alfons von Metternich-Winneburg, head of the Metternich family and a great-grandson of Prince Metternich, the Austrian Chancellor at the Congress of Vienna in 1815. A socialite and something of a playboy, the Prince was then on leave from France, where he was serving with the cavalry. He at once fell for Tatiana, and soon took to telephoning her late at night. Missie, with whom she shared a bedroom, chased her into the sitting-room for these late night calls.
By June the pair were engaged, and they were married at the Roman Catholic church of Grünewald on September 6 1941, the food for the reception having been saved for months at the family home of the groom, Schloss Königswart, in the north-west corner of the Bohemian triangle, on the Czechoslovakian northern frontier to Germany. The couple then left Berlin for Vienna, and settled in Spain until the next spring, after which the Prince set off to serve on the Russian front. While serving there in 1944, he suffered from an abscess of the lung, and nearly died.
Tatiana settled at Königswart, and found that directing it was like overseeing a combination of palace, museum and hotel. King Alfonso of Spain visited it every summer after his exile from Spain. While there in August 1942, Tatiana heard that 300 bombs had fallen on and around their Rheingau home, Schloss Johannisberg, completely destroying it. Since she had lately sent most of her possessions there in advance of an anticipated move, she now had few things left.
Tatiana was close to some of those German aristocrats and princes who plotted to kill Hitler in July 1944. As a result of the plot, all German princes were forbidden to serve in the army, which saved Prince Paul Metternich from falling into Soviet hands.
In May 1945 she and her husband were forced to leave Königswart and undertake the 600-kilometre trek that eventually led to the ruined Schloss Johannisberg. Before leaving Königswart, they wrote out recommendations for all their staff, vouching for them and urging that they be allowed to follow to Johannisberg......
Recap: John Train's daughter, Helen "Musa" Train married in 1991, Paul Klebnikov, a Forbes investigative reporter murdered in Russia in 2004. Helen and Paul had the same godfather, back when they were baptized by their respective families in the early 1960's. Klebnikov's father, George (Youri) was chief of the UN instant translation dept. In 1952 he married the daughter or this woman's son, Ross Nebolsine. George's best man was fellow Nuremberg and UN translator, Prince George Vassiltchikov, described above with his sisters, Princess Tatiana Metternich and Marie "Missie" Vassiltchikov.:

llglR$. A. NEBOSlIVE, 78, ' WIDOW___OF A_____DMIRAL
‎New York Times - Jan 6, 19485-Mrs. Caroline E. Wilkins Nebolsine, widow of Admiral Arcadi Nebolsine of the Imperial Russian Navy, died here yesterday at the home of her daughter, Helen .


MISS BF HOOKER ENGAGED TO MARRY; .Sister of Mrs. JD ...

New York Times - Apr 11, 1933
MISS BF HOOKER ENGAGED TO MARRY .Sister of Mrs. JD Rockefeller 3d to Become the Bride of Eugene Nebolsine, A GRADUATE OF VASSAR She Is a ...






GIRL FOR REDS; HEIRESS' TROTH TO RUSSIAN ENDS

Chicago Tribune - Sep 24, 1933
Il., and Eugene A. Nebolsine, son of the late Admiral A. Nebolsine of the Imperial Russian navy, were star- tled when their engagement was of- ficially declared off by the bride s fam. lly. DisatisfactIon over Miss Hook- er s pronounced with the soviet union was said by  Nebolslne's Intimates to be behind the break.
Ever since the engagement wax an- last April by Miss Hooker's parents. Mr. and Mrs. Elon Hunting. ton Hooker of Greenwich. Conn.. there was speculation as to just how the young Investment broker with his im-Russian connections would accept his bride to-be s admittedly sympathetic interest in present day . Her views became known two years ago when, after a visit to Russia. she wrote and bad pub. lished three vivid magazine articles recountingher experiences and obser- vations there. In announcing the breaking of the engagement, Miss Hooker's parents simply said It was by "mutual" oon& sent.
ENGAGEMENT BROKEN.; Miss Barbara Hooker and Eugene A ...


New York Times - Sep 24, 1933
The engagement of Miss Barbara Ferry Hooker, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. ... Chelmsford, Greenwich, Conn., to Eugene A. Nebolsine, eldest son of Mme.

My observations: Barbara Ferry Hooker never married. Her father Elon was the first cousin
of Thomas J Devine's grandmother, Louise Hooker Dodge.:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102334174

2-1/2 years after breaking his engagement with Barbara Hooker, Paul Klebnikov's uncle
Eugene Nebolsine married into a nice Tsarist family.....:

MARIE ILLY WED TO E. a. NEBOLSINE; Rev. Basil Keurdumoff...

New York Times - Jan 20, 1936
The marriage of Miss Marie Illyne, daughter of Mrs. Alexander I Illyne of this city ... of the I famous Horse Guards of the late Czar Nicholas of Russia, to Eugene A.  son of the late Admiral 2 Nebolsine of the Imperial Navy, took .....

Paul Klebnikov's other uncle, George, brother of Ross and Eugene Nebolsine :


George Nebolsine Is Dead at 61; Lawyer in International...

New York Times - Mar 25, 1964
Mr. Nebolsine, a partner in the law firm of Coudert Brothers, served corporations in ... Mr. Nebolsine was an original member of the Bilderberg Group, which was ...

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http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/socialdiary/2004/12_09_04/socialdiary12_09_04.php
9 December, 2004

Next stop: four blocks down the avenue to the old Joseph Pulitzer mansion, designed and built in 1903 by McKim, Mead & White for the legendary newspaper publisher, where John and Francie Train were having a book party for Mr. Train’s newest (and 21st) book, The Olive – Tree of Civilization. The book is a fascinating study of the ancient fruit and its link to the growth of western civilization up to the present day proclivities: the perpetration of one of the most complicated crimes ever in the history of Wall Street.


The Olive — Tree of Civilization. Click cover to order.
Mr. Train’s book party was quite different in flavor from that of the opera devotees just up the avenue. Co-hosted with his wife Francie (who is also the mother of Whitney and Harry Tower), and filled with old friends and family, such as Nicholas Platt, retired head of the Asia Society who is now writing his first book – a memoir of China. Mr. Platt once served as American Ambassador to Pakistan, the Philippines and Zambia and traveled with President Nixon on his first trip to China in 1973.

In the crowd: Countess Antoinette Guerini-Maraldi who will be traveling for the holidays to London with her daughter Jennifer; Eleanor Dwight, who’s written biographies of Edith Wharton and Diana Vreeland, and was with her husband George who has known John Train since their days at Groton. Also Alta and Dan Thorne, Catie Marron, Rita Gimbel, Alexis Gregory (who’d been at the Fleming party also); Emmanuela and James Girard IV; John Train’s daughter, Lisa Train Pinnington, who is visiting from London, and her sister Musa Train Klebnikov (widow of the Forbes journalist who was tragically slain in Moscow recently), as well as their mother, Mr. Train’s first wife, (and also the publisher of his new book), Maria Teresa, who also has a house in Florence. There were many Italian friends who stopped by and a lot of their language and conviviality in the room.
John Train with Maria Teresa
Gerry Fabricant
John Train with Francie Train
The Trains’ apartment in the old mansion is partly made up of what was originally the Rotunda and breakfast rooms of the house, which also lead out onto a garden, and are now John Train’s sitting room and library. When Mr. Pulitzer was building the house he was suffering from an acute hearing affliction that magnified all sounds to the point of anguish. McKim, Mead & White installed double windows and doors throughout the four-story mansion. There were ballbearings installed to keep everything that moved as muffled as possible, and in the end Mr. Pulitzer (who pronounced the house a disaster), moved out to St. Louis where he owned the Post-Dispatch. The house remained unoccupied for decades thereafter and was eventually turned into apartments (very luxurious apartments) of varying sizes. John Train, who grew up in a house just down the block, recalls the great, big empty house that he would one day live in. Because of Mr. Pulitzer's requirements, today Mr. Trains library (eighteen feet from floor to ceiling) is enveloped in quietness.
We left the Trains’ book party and walked a few more blocks down and around the corner to Virginia Mailman’s where she was holding a holiday Open House (with cocktails and buffet) from 6 till 9.

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Re: Small Private School in Rochester, NY connections to the JFK Assassination

Post by Mark A. O'Blazney on Fri 07 Feb 2014, 12:39 pm

This is still a good topic, as are many old threads here.  It gets easier when the microfiches go digital. More old newspapers to read.  I always xeroxed the crossword puzzles when looking for stuff.  Thanks for looking for us, Tom.  Looking forward to more of your excellent adventures!

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Re: Small Private School in Rochester, NY connections to the JFK Assassination

Post by Guest on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 8:08 am

Thank you, Mark. And through Devine's frat mate Coit, a connection to Priscilla. She was a "presenter" of Oswald, lone nut. So much and so many are connected to Priscilla.

....DeMohrenschildt and Charles just happened to hold sequential meetings with Devine, a close friend of Bush's who is on record reporting to CIA, and with a fellow alumni of Devine's tiny school, Joseph Pryor, the brother and partner in business providing justification for meeting with DeMohrenschildt and Charles, of Peter Dryer, a fellow member in a freshman class of only twenty, with Thomas J Devine.

Does this work both ways, or does it not? If not, what Jenner stated must be dismissed as nonsense.:
Federal bar news: Volume 13

Federal Bar Association - 1966 - Snippet view
In his address, Mr. Jenner stated that a series of extraordinary coincidences made it seem most likely that the assassination of President Kennedy was the work of one man — Lee Harvey Oswald. "After months of intensive research, the reading of some 40000 pages of material assembled by units of the federal government, and the questioning of scores of persons, including Oswald's wife, we came to the conclusion that there was no conspiracy, either domestic or foreign," Jenner said...

 coincidences made it seem most likely that the 2007 eulogy of Gerald Ford given by George HW Bush is unbelievable.

,,,,and, I almost forgot, there is also this to consider:

Joan Mellen should consider this and go back to Joe Dryer and ask him why he did not mention that he and his brother were schoolmates of Thomas J. Devine, son of the president of the school's board, and who was also meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend on the same April day as Dryer was in 1963.

CIA's Garry Coit and Priscilla Johnson.:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=110070&relPageId=2
SUBJECTS COIT GARY MCMILLAN PRISCILLA JOHNSON
RIF#: 180-10143-10254 (04/19/78) HSCA#: 29-07-28

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=110071&relPageId=2
SUBJECTS COIT GARY MCMILLAN PRISCILLA JOHNSON DOCUMENT
RIF#: 180-10143-10256 (UNDATED) HSCA#: 29-07-30

Coit and Devine, 1944 :
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Beaver Sig Vol. 1946, No. 1 - Sigma Chi Fraternity - MIT
http://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/1946_bsig_vol1946_no1.pdf‎
school; Brother Coit enlisted in the Naval Radio Training Pro- gram. Fall Term, 1944. Shortly after the inception of the fall term of 1944, Brothers. Devine and ..

    Students Don Ear Muffs to Shut Out Band Music
    Daily Boston Globe - Aug 14, 1947

    ... rhumba music yesterday asked the Boston Licensing Board to shut down
    the Hotel ... one of 16 Tech students livings in the adjoining Sigma Chi
    fraternity house ... Other student were Thomas Devine of Rochester who
    told of taking refuge in ..
[/quote]

Consider that six years ago when Joan Mellen made the presentation excerpted below, she did not have evidence or awareness of what I've requoted for you above, relationships of Thomas J Devine with
Joseph and Peter Dryer, and with Le CIA'sw Garrison "Garry" Coit, yet she was quite emphatic.:

Page 2 = http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=12758&relPageId=2


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http://www.joanmellen.net/truth.html
Talk at the 92nd Street Y,
JANUARY 28, 2007
THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION AND THE CURRENT POLITICAL MOMENT
by Joan Mellen

........ I'm sure many in this audience are aware of the third recent moment at which the Kennedy assassination has surfaced. ....

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/stuckey.htm
Testimony Of William Kirk Stuckey
The testimony of William Kirk Stuckey was taken at 9:35 a.m., on June 6, 1964, at 200 Maryland Avenue NE, Washington, D.C., by Mr. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

......Mr. JENNER. What is a third-class bus?
Mr. STUCKEY. That is where the goats and chickens aren't on top; they are in there with you.
Mr. JENNER. I see.
Mr. STUCKEY. After I returned I went into the newspaper business.
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, how old are you?
Mr. STUCKEY. Thirty-two.
Mr. JENNER. You are married?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; and--
Mr. JENNER. Do you have a family and you live in New Orleans?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. What is your address?
Mr. STUCKEY. 2317 State Street, and I have two children. I went into the newspaper business after returning from Latin America, working largely as a political reporter for a number of years.
Mr. JENNER. Were you giving attention to any particular phase of politics?
Mr. STUCKEY. Local government?
Mr. JENNER. Thinking of it in the higher sense local government.
Mr. STUCKEY. You mean in a higher sense, in a subject category?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. STUCKEY. I was interested particularly in planning and zoning.
Mr. JENNER. Did you acquire also an interest in South American relations?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; well, I had this interest, but I had no opportunity to exercise this interest in my work until the New Orleans States Item made me a columnist. This was in February 1962 when I started my column, and this extended on until April, I believe it was, 1963.
Mr. JENNER. What was the title of that column?
Mr. STUCKEY. New Orleans and the Americas. That was really my first professional involvement in Latin American affairs. After I left the paper, doing public relations, I acquired this radio program, this radio broadcast, which was a very short thing. It was largely to keep my name in front of the public in this capacity. And-
Mr. JENNER. That was a broadcast program?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. It was put on regularly, was it?
Mr. STUCKEY. Once a week.
Mr. JENNER. And it is the NBC station down there?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Radio and television or just radio?
Mr. STUCKEY. Radio.
Mr. JENNER. That program had a title?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; Latin Listening Post.
Mr. JENNER. Tell us in general the character of that program and to what you were directing your attention.
Mr. STUCKEY. Politics and economics. I inquired a bit about the Cuban situation. I had a number of programs that I think you would classify as news features. They didn't particularly have current events value, but they were interesting topics, and I just went and talked about them. I talked about social welfare programs in Uruguay, the Mexican Revolution; Central American common market; the character of the Latin American university student, this sort of thing.
Occasionally, when I had a live one, when I heard there was somebody in town who was a Latin bigwig, I would bring him on and we would talk whatever he wanted to talk about.
Mr. JENNER. How did you organize those programs?
Mr. STUCKEY. Well--
Mr. JENNER. Did you have any preliminary discussions with the people you were going to have on your programs?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes, yes; sometimes I took up to 3 to 4 days to prepare a 5-minute broadcast.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. STUCKEY. Actually it is 5 minutes which demands about 700 words, which was just about as long or longer than the column that I used to write, so these columns, 700 words, which would run about a column and a half of type in the paper, consumed within a 5-minute period on the broadcast. Anything else along that line?
Mr. JENNER. I think that covers it generally. Tell us the nature of your work with Tulane University.
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. You became associated with Tulane when?
Mr. STUCKEY. In January, January 6.
Mr. JENNER. Of this year?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. What is the nature of that work?
Mr. STUCKEY. I write a syndicated column on higher education. The column is called Dimension in Education. We deal with all manner of events and affairs affecting higher education, and sometimes things that do not affect higher education. I roam the spectrum of interest in the things. It is extremely interesting.
I sometimes write about such things as the Common Market, the humanities versus science, all this sort of thing, all the current controversies we get into.
Mr. JENNER. Is that in the nature of public relations work?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; very soft shell public relations. Sometimes we don't even mention Tulane. It is just that I think probably Tulane just wants to be established as a fount of wisdom in this particular field, and that is why they print these reports.
Mr. JENNER. During the year 1963, did an event occur, a series of events occur, in which you became acquainted with a man by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. In your own words, taking it from the very first instant of the course of events, perhaps even before you met this man, tell us in your own words, and it doesn't have to be chronological, but the way you would put it out, about it.
Mr. STUCKEY. Fine. As I told you before, as a Latin American columnist and one interested in affairs, I had been looking for some time in New Orleans for representatives of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. There haven't been any. Most of the organizations that I had contact with in my work--
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me--how did you learn about the Fair Play for Cuba Committee?
Mr. STUCKEY. I was going to get to that.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Mr. STUCKEY. Most of the organizations that I had contact with were refugee organizations, very violently anti-Castro groups, and there were a number of them in New Orleans. These people were news sources for me also. I used them quite frequently. One day, I think it was in August, the latter part of July of 1963, I was in the bank, and I ran across a refugee friend of mine by the name of Carlos Bringuier. Bringuier told me--
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, identify Mr. Bringuier.
Mr. STUCKEY. Mr. Bringuier at that time was the New Orleans delegate to the Revolutionary Student Directorate which was an anti-Castro group with headquarters in Miami. He also ran a clothing store called Casa Roca. He was an attorney in Havana before the Revolution, the Cuban Revolution of 1958, and had been very active ever since I had known him in New Orleans in anti-Castro activity. I had interviewed him on a number of occasions in connection with Cuban current events. Mr. Bringuier ran into me in the bank, and I spoke to him and he said that a representative of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee had appeared in New Orleans and that he had had an encounter with him shortly before.
Mr. JENNER. That interested you?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes, very much, very much, because I knew something of the reputation of this group. I regarded them as being about the leading pro-Castro organization in this country, a propaganda organ for the Castro forces, and I had done a considerable amount of reading of congressional testimony, articles, and this sort of thing about their activities. Mr. Bringuier said he had had an encounter with a young man who was representing the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans.
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me you had known Bringuier and you had had contact with him; had he ever been on your program up to this moment that you speak of?
Mr. STUCKEY. No; he had never been on my program, but, as a newspaperman, I had contacted him quite frequently for information.
Mr. JENNER. Proceed.
Mr. STUCKEY. He told me that--this is in the bank--a few days before, I don't recall exactly--
Mr. JENNER. This was a chance meeting?
Mr. STUCKEY. This was a chance meeting with Mr. Bringuier. I was cashing my paycheck and Bringuier told me a few days before he had run into this fellow in his store, this Casa Roca--this young man had approached him.
Mr. JENNER. A young man had come in?
Mr. STUCKEY. A young man. At the time he had mentioned no name. If he had, it wouldn't have made any difference to me because the name meant nothing.
He said a young man came in, introduced himself and said he was a veteran of the Marine Corps, he had just gotten out, and that he was very disturbed by this Cuban situation and he wanted to do something about hurting Castro, or trying to change the regime. He, in some way--
Mr. JENNER. This was something this up-to-the-moment unnamed young man had said to Mr. Bringuier?
Mr. STUCKEY. Had said to Mr. Bringuier as Bringuier recounted it to me later. I am telling you Bringuier's story now.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; I wanted to make clear that you were.
Mr. STUCKEY. Right. Now, this young man said somehow he knew Bringuier was connected with the Revolutionary Student Directorate, how, I don't know. But, at any race, as I said, he offered his services.
Then he presented a Marine Corps Handbook to Bringuier. He said, "This might help you out in your guerrilla activities and such. This is my own personal Marine Corps Handbook", which Bringuier accepted. That was the gist of the conversation. Bringuier told me that sometime after that, I don't recall exactly how long it was, he was walking on Canal Street, the main street of New Orleans, about a block away from his store, and he ran into this young man again. This time he was distributing literature, handbills, and the hand bills said, "Hands Off Cuba", and on the handbill it said, "Join the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in New Orleans, Charter Member Branch".
It was this same young man. Bringuier, who was a rather excitable fellow, and he couldn't understand why this fellow was now distributing pro-Castro literature whereas a short time before he had posed as an anti- Castro man. So Bringuier got into a shouting match with him on the street corner, and I think some blows were exchanged, I am not sure.
Mr. JENNER. Bringuier is again telling you this?
Mr. STUCKEY. This is what Bringuier is telling me, because I did not witness this. At any rate, regardless of what happened, I don't know the exact sequence of events, the police arrived on the scene and took everybody down to the jail. Oswald was booked for disturbing the peace, and I think later fined $10, and let go. Well, this is what Bringuier told me in the bank.
Mr. JENNER. I may assume up to this moment you had not seen anything in the newspapers on this subject?
Mr. STUCKEY. No; I hadn't. There wouldn't have been anything in the newspaper had it not been in my column, and my column at that time did not exist.
Mr. JENNER. I see.
Mr. STUCKEY. So I mentioned to Bringuier that I was interested in locating this fellow and talking to him. Bringuier gave me his name.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall that this was the early part of August?
Mr. STUCKEY. Or the latter part of July, I am not really sure. It wasn't--I would say probably the early part of August. It was a Friday. I can tell you that.
Mr. JENNER. It was August 9, 1963.
Mr. STUCKEY. That is quite possible. So I inquired as -to the name and the address of this fellow, and telephone, if any, and Bringuier said his name was Lee Oswald, and he lived on Magazine Street, somewhere in ,the 4000 block, I forget the exact address, and he had no telephone. This was a Friday. My program is on a Saturday.
I decided that early the next morning I would go by this address and ask Oswald if he would appear on my program. So very early, it was about 8 o'clock the following--wait a minute, I am losing some chronology. This was not the next Saturday. Then some time elapsed, and, at any rate, it was August 17 when I went by his house. I forget now exactly why this time did elapse, but it did.
Mr. JENNER. Had he again distributed hand, bills?
Mr. STUCKEY. To my knowledge; no. He may have. He may have. But, of course, I had no particular interest in it, and the papers were not carrying stories about it, and I, well, just had no contact with him at all.
I did not meet him until August 17, at which time I went by his house on Magazine Street to ask him to appear on my program. This was early in the morning, about 8 o'clock. I went early because I wanted to get him before he left.
Mr. JENNER. This was a Saturday?
Mr. STUCKEY. It is a Saturday. I knocked on the door, and this young fellow came out, without a shirt. He had a pair of Marine Corps fatigue trousers on. I asked him, "Are you Lee Oswald ?" And he said, "Yes."
I introduced myself and I told him I would like to have him on my program that night. So he asked me in on the porch. This was a screened porch, and I had a very brief chat. He said he would ask me inside for some coffee but that his wife and his baby were sleeping so we had better talk on the porch.
Mr. JENNER. Describe this Magazine Street place. Were you able to find it easily?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; no problem. It was on the side of the house or the entrance was on the side.
Mr. JENNER. Was on the side and somewhat back from the front?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; it was facing the street; it wasn't facing the side of the property, but it was off set, to the rear.
Mr. JENNER. Frame house?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; it was a frame house, as well as I recall.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. STUCKEY. So we had a few cursory remarks there about the organization. He showed me his membership card to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which was interesting, and .it identified him as the secretary of the New Orleans chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, and it was signed by A. Hidell, president.
Mr. JENNER. Was that president or secretary?
Mr. STUCKEY. President, A. Hidell. He was identified on the card. as I recall, as the secretary.
Mr. JENNER. That is, Oswald?
Mr. STUCKEY. Oswald; yes. It was a card on which there was a handwritten--it said "Mr." and then a blank, and a handwritten name "Lee Oswald" was in the center of the card. In the lower right-hand corner it was signed by A. Hidell, president.
Mr. JENNER. Was this name familiar to you?
Mr. STUCKEY. No; as a matter of fact, I would like to explain this, that the name meant nothing to me at all, and the name never occurred to me again, I never thought of the name again, until after the assassination when Mr. Henry Wade of Dallas on television on a Sunday, I believe, mentioned that Oswald purchased a rifle from a Chicago mail-order house and had used the name A. Hidell in purchasing the rifle. When he said "A. Hidell" it hit me like, it was like a light bulb over my head, I recalled the name. Otherwise I would never have remembered the name. Oswald gave me some pieces of literature at this time. There were several-- I will mention them if you would like.
Mr. JENNER. I wish you would.
Mr. STUCKEY. There were two speeches by Fidel Castro. One was "The Revolution Must Be a School of Unfettered Thought." Another was "Bureaucracy and Sectarianism." There was a pamphlet by Jean Paul Sartre, and this pamphlet was called "Ideology and Revolution." There was a pamphlet called "The Crime Against Cuba," by Corliss Lamont. I believe that is all the literature that he gave me at that time. I got some subsequently to that which, incidentally, Mr. Jenner, I promised you that pamphlet the last time I saw you, and I couldn't find it, but I have since found it, and I brought it up for you. I will give it to you now before I forget.
Mr. JENNER. Yes. I will show you what is marked Garner Exhibit No. 1 and ask you if you recognize the person shown on that photograph.
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes; that is Lee Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. Does it look like him as of the time that you interviewed him on Saturday, August 17?
Mr. STUCKEY. Almost exactly. He was dressed almost in exactly the same way, with a short-sleeved dress shirt, and a tie, and a black looseleaf notebook under his arm which apparently he used as a holder for literature.
Mr. JENNER. I hand you a series of exhibits, Pizzo Exhibits Nos. 453-A, 453-B, and 453-C. Would you examine those and tell me whether your friend, Mr. Bringuier, is shown on any of those photographs?
Mr. STUCKEY. He is not there.
Mr. JENNER. You were referring to Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-A; he is not on that one?
Mr. STUCKEY. No. Pizzo Exhibit 453-C is of Oswald alone.
Mr. JENNER. Pizzo Exhibit 453-C is a picture of Oswald?
Mr. STUCKEY. Yes. Pizzo Exhibit 453-B is also Oswald, but Bringuier is not in the picture.
Mr. JENNER. All right. We will mark the pamphlet you have brought with you, which is entitled "The Cuban Episode' and the American Press: April 9--23, 1961" as Stuckey Exhibit No. 1. ....

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0038b.htm
Mrs. Marina Oswald, February, 1964

.....Mr. RANKIN. Have you ever heard that he used the fictitious name Hidell?

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.

Mr. RANKIN. When did you first learn that he used such a name?

Mrs. OSWALD. In New Orleans.

Mr. RANKIN. How did you learn that?

Mrs. OSWALD. When he was interviewed by some anti-Cubans, he used this name and spoke of an organization.

Mr. RANKIN. How did you discover it, then?

Mrs. OSWALD. I already said that when I listened to the radio, they spoke of that name, and I asked him who, and he said that it was he. ....

In the WC transcript of Bill Stuckey's radio program, there is no mention made of the name Hidell, but there is this.:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0332a.htm  (page 7)
Oswald: .....I worked in Russia. I was not under the protection of the -- that is to say I was not under the protection of the American government, but as I was at all times condsidered an American citizen I did not lose my American citizenship.....

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22In+1976+stuckey+told+a+completely*%22
The Road to Dallas: the assassination of John F. Kennedy - Page 225
books.google.com/books?isbn=0674027663
David E Kaiser - 2009 - ‎Preview - ‎
....38 In 1976 Stuckey told a completely different story about how he learned of Oswald's Russian past. In a letter to journalist Priscilla Johnson McMillan, he claimed that he phoned the FBI on the day of the debate — as indeed he did — and was .........and files also show that the FBI got its copy of Stuckey 's thirty-minute interview of Oswald from (Edward) Butler, not from Stuckey, on August 26.39 Warren Commission staffer Albert Jenner was not curious enough to ask Stuckey to identify his "news source," and Butler, amazingly, was not called by the Commission or interviewed at any length by the FBI -- although he did appear before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee just a few days after the assassination to suggest that Oswald's deed was Communist-inspired...

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95329&relPageId=7
HSCA transcript of Priscilla Mcmillan interview, February. 1978
......McMillan : Well come to think of it, I returned to the United States in the summer of 1960,  I worked in the speechwriting staff of then-Candidate Kennedy under Archibald Cox, who was nominally head of his speech writing staff......

Marina and Lee: The Tormented Love and Fatal Obsession ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1586422170
Priscilla Johnson McMillan - 2013 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
The Tormented Love and Fatal Obsession Behind Lee Harvey Oswald's Assassination of John F. Kennedy Priscilla Johnson McMillan ... They are M. S. Wyeth Jr. of Harper & Row, whose fastidiousness and gentleness I treasure. ... , Robert Oswald, the late Francis Gary Powers, Edward L. Ramsdell, Dr. David A. Rothstein, Larry Seigle, William K. Stuckey, and Mrs. Gladys A. Yoakum......

The performance of the DPD, FBI, and WC was nearly flawless related to alleged knowledge of the Hidell name, compared to those outside of law enforcement. Marina's testimony in February did not go well at all, and it became necessary to bring Bill Stuckey to testify before the WC in June to support the previously unreported discovery of Hidell I.D. in Oswald's wallet resulting from WC questioning of DPD officers.

The WC wanted to complete and publish its report and resume normal routines, but among other unresolved obstacles, Marina's February testimony had made a mess of the Hidell signature bona fides that FBI, NOLA PD, and Bill Stuckey claimed to have seen in NOLA with Oswald in summer, 1963.

If Oswald was acting alone, why does it seem the named non-law enforcement people (but some were government and "news" media connected) presented in this post seem so well acquainted? The 1960 census indicated the U.S. was a country of 180 million residents.

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Re: Small Private School in Rochester, NY connections to the JFK Assassination

Post by Guest on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 8:13 am

...Continued from my last post. Priscilla featured Oswald, and next worked for Archibald Cox and later settled in Cambridge. Stuckey featured Oswald, his photographer wife was next in the right places at the right times, Monterey Pop Festival in '67, Chicago Convention in '68, and then the couple settled in Cambridge and she pursued a new career as legal secretary for the retired law professor, Archibald Cox. By 1967, Stuckey himself is writing for TSBD connected text book publisher Scott, Foresman, just  a stop on a post assassination tour that sends him from NOLA to San Francisco, then Chicago, and finally a longer term home in Cambridge, MA. He and his wife Mary Elaine were divorced in 1989, two years before his death.

Stuckey is credited in Priscilla McMillan's long awaited book, along with her cousin David Davenport who was ex-CIA, and his Santa Fe neighbor, Jerome Hastings, who changed his name from Hasty to Hastings legally in 1967, but had been using the new name in 1964. Hasting's married the divorced wife of an OSS Bletchley Park officer and cold war spy, and married into a family in which his brother-in-law was Terry Votichenko, a white Russian OSS aide to Eisenhower and the best friend at Princeton of the ex-husband of Hasting's new wife.:
https://www.google.com/#q=fredrika+blair+hastings
Fredrika Blair-Hastings, Author, 71

https://www.google.com/#q=%22ran+into+votichenko%22&tbm=bks
Princeton Alumni Weekly - Volume 44 - Page 108
books.google.com/books?id=CRRbAAAAYAAJ
1943 - ‎Full view - ‎More editions
Now in England, he says that he lunches with Ken Fairman frequently and that he ran into Lt. Dave Blair and Lt. (j.g.) Terry Votichenko the day he wrote us

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/orlandosentinel/obituary.aspx?pid=155207521
STUCKEY, MARY ELAINE
DUPUIS, of College Park, Orlando, died Dec. 15, 2011, at the age of 83, at a nursing home, with her daughter by her side. Born Feb. 12, 1928, in Port Arthur, TX to Mattie and Pierre Dupuis, Elaine was a child prodigy pianist, who traveled extensively throughout the U.S. and held several professions throughout her life. After attending Julliard in New York City, she married William K. Stuckey (1931-1991) and began a successful career as a photographer in her beloved New Orleans, LA. Her most famous photographs were of the 1967 Monterey Pop Festival and 1968 Chicago Police Riots. After settling in Cambridge, Ma, she became a legal Secretary and worked for the retired Archibald Cox at Harvard University for several years before returning to Port Arthur to care for her beloved parents and then finally traveling to Orlando to be near family. Throughout her life she had the most impeccable taste and took great joy in Classical Music, Jazz, Fine Art and only the finest Classic Films. Ms. Stuckey is predeceased by her son, Clayton (1958-1966); and survived by her daughter, ....

https://www.google.com/#q=naval+%22William+Kirk+Stuckey%22&tbm=bks
Everyday problems in science
Front Cover
Wilbur Lee Beauchamp, John Cunliffe Mayfield, Paul DeHart Hurd
Scott, Foresman, 1968 - Science - 576 pages
Unit One was written by William Kirk Stuckey.

https://www.google.com/#q=william+kirk+stuckey+northwestern+political+writing&tbm=bks
The Rotarian - Dec 1968 - Page 20
books.google.com/books?id=ZzMEAAAAMBAJ
Vol. 113, No. 6 - ‎Magazine - ‎Full view
WILLIAM. KIRK. STUCKEY. Seen from 22,000 miles by the camera of a "stationary". GEOGRAPHY is the field which ... the past 13 years, William Kirk Stuckey has specialized in science and political writing for newspapers, magazines, and textbooks. At present he is science editor at Northwestern University, in Evanston, Illinois, where he is an organizer of a graduate-level course in science writing in the ...

https://www.google.com/#q=william+kirk+stuckey+m.i.t.&tbm=bks
Chicago Medicine - Volume 72 - Page 117
books.google.com/books?id=b6HWAAAAIAAJ
1969 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions
The magazine is written and produced by William Kirk Stuckey, who formerly was the science editor at Northwestern and is now associated with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Also serving as editors and associate editor are ...

The W.C. reported (with the help of its "investigators" and other hacks..) to the American People.:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0158b.htm

"Oswald's membership card in the "New Orleans chapter" of the committee carried the signature of "A. J. Hidell," purportedly the president of the chapter, but there is no evidence that an "A. J. Hidell" existed and.....there is conclusive evidence that the name was an alias which Oswald used on various occasions. Marina Oswald herself wrote the name "Hidell" on the membership card at her husband's insistence." ( Report, pg. 292 )

...but in my last post I documented that Marina had testified in Feb., 1964 that she first heard the name Hidell listening to the broadcast of Stuckey's radio debate and asked Oswald about it afterwards. Her testimony contradicted both Stuckey's and the WC narrative, (directly above.)

...and the FBI had intentionally provided a distorted transcript of Oswald's answering Stuckey during the WDSU radio debate.:

[DOC] https://www.google.com/#q=%22Oswald+and+identified+it+as*%22+er+protection
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jfk.hood.edu/Collection/.../OINO/.../OINO05.doc‎
... with Oswald and identified it as having been supplied by Stuckey (11H163). ... He actually slipped and said, and said, "I was, er, under the protection of the" American government.."

Oswald then corrected his slip to,
"I was, er, not under the protection of the" American govenrment...."
.....but the FBI prevented the WC and the readers of the Warren Report from deciding if it was merely a slip of Oswald's tongue.

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Post by greg parker on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 8:44 am

A lot of nails hit there. Good job.

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