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William Shelley's CIA claim

Post by greg parker on Thu 31 Oct 2013, 7:42 pm

Shelley told a reporter he was an intelligence officer during WWII.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=QKzL5jhXLaYC&lpg=PT186&dq=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&pg=PT186#v=onepage&q=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&f=false

He had told the WC however that he left school and worked in defense plants during the war and then commenced with the TSBD in October, 1945.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm

He was not asked and did not volunteer which defense plant. But If I recall my Phil Ochs correctly, didn't working in a de-fense plant get you out of being conscripted? If so, isn't some kind of privileged background indicated by that?

Whatever...

Note that Shelley seems to have chosen his words carefully... he never said he was an intelligence officer IN the war.... he merely said "during".

According to the Church Committee, defense plants had army, navy and FBI informants working on the inside because of fear of saboteurs and strikes... 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=150797&imageOnly=true

So it appears that Shelley may well have been just that - an informant...and his claim of "intelligence officer turned CIA" was merely a case of inflating his own importance.  Any informant role he may have had in this un-named defense plant could easily have continued. As I have previously noted, TSBD President Jack Cason and the FBI very likely had a close relationship. See http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t243-the-6th-floor-whitewash-an-example

I know I have used a fistful of qualifiers... but really... it looks like a slam dunk to me...


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Post by Guest on Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:15 pm

greg parker wrote:Shelley told a reporter he was an intelligence officer during WWII.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=QKzL5jhXLaYC&lpg=PT186&dq=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&pg=PT186#v=onepage&q=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&f=false

He had told the WC however that he left school and worked in a defense plant during the war and then commenced with the TSBD in October, 1945.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm

He was not asked and did not volunteer which defense plant. But If I recall my Phil Ochs correctly, didn't working in a de-fense plant get you out of being conscripted? If so, isn't some kind of privileged background indicated by that?

Whatever...

Note that Shelley seems to have chosen his words carefully... he never said he was an intelligence officer IN the war.... he merely said "during".

According to the Church Committee, defense plants had army, navy and FBI informants working on the inside because of fear of saboteurs and strikes... 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=150797&imageOnly=true

So it appears that Shelley may well have been just that - an informant...and his claim of "intelligence officer turned CIA" was merely a case of inflating his own importance.  Any informant role he may have had in this un-named defense plant could easily have continued. As I have previously noted, TSBD President Jack Cason and the FBI very likely had a close relationship. See http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t243-the-6th-floor-whitewash-an-example

I know I have used a fistful of qualifiers... but really... it looks like a slam dunk to me...
From what we now know about Roy Truly's background, the history of the TSBD itself, and the way in which informers seemed to litter every street corner I would be most surprised if this wasn't the case.

Especially bearing in mind that the triangular relationships between Cason, Truly and Shelley seemed to be pretty tight.  Sorry to keep harping on about it but I still think there is a important story behind Mauser that Cason brought to work that week and the two other people who held the weapon and filled it with their finger prints were Roy Truly and Bill Shelley.

As far as Shelley's intelligence background - yeah, slam dunk for me too.

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Re: William Shelley's CIA claim

Post by greg parker on Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:32 pm

Lee Farley wrote:
greg parker wrote:Shelley told a reporter he was an intelligence officer during WWII.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=QKzL5jhXLaYC&lpg=PT186&dq=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&pg=PT186#v=onepage&q=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&f=false

He had told the WC however that he left school and worked in a defense plant during the war and then commenced with the TSBD in October, 1945.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm

He was not asked and did not volunteer which defense plant. But If I recall my Phil Ochs correctly, didn't working in a de-fense plant get you out of being conscripted? If so, isn't some kind of privileged background indicated by that?

Whatever...

Note that Shelley seems to have chosen his words carefully... he never said he was an intelligence officer IN the war.... he merely said "during".

According to the Church Committee, defense plants had army, navy and FBI informants working on the inside because of fear of saboteurs and strikes... 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=150797&imageOnly=true

So it appears that Shelley may well have been just that - an informant...and his claim of "intelligence officer turned CIA" was merely a case of inflating his own importance.  Any informant role he may have had in this un-named defense plant could easily have continued. As I have previously noted, TSBD President Jack Cason and the FBI very likely had a close relationship. See http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t243-the-6th-floor-whitewash-an-example

I know I have used a fistful of qualifiers... but really... it looks like a slam dunk to me...
From what we now know about Roy Truly's background, the history of the TSBD itself, and the way in which informers seemed to litter every street corner I would be most surprised if this wasn't the case.

Especially bearing in mind that the triangular relationships between Cason, Truly and Shelley seemed to be pretty tight.  Sorry to keep harping on about it but I still think there is a important story behind Mauser that Cason brought to work that week and the two other people who held the weapon and filled it with their finger prints were Roy Truly and Bill Shelley.

As far as Shelley's intelligence background - yeah, slam dunk for me too.
Thanks Lee. Use of qualifiers only for lack of absolute proof. But for me, his bragging about being a past intel officer during the war just reeks of having a scintilla of truth inflated almost beyond recognition. And LO! it turns out he did work in a place that had intelligence connections.... via low level informants working on the factory floors...

Re Cason -- presumably you mean Castor?

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Re: William Shelley's CIA claim

Post by Guest on Thu 31 Oct 2013, 10:41 pm

greg parker wrote:
Lee Farley wrote:
greg parker wrote:Shelley told a reporter he was an intelligence officer during WWII.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=QKzL5jhXLaYC&lpg=PT186&dq=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&pg=PT186#v=onepage&q=%22william%20shelley%22%20dallas&f=false

He had told the WC however that he left school and worked in a defense plant during the war and then commenced with the TSBD in October, 1945.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/shelley1.htm

He was not asked and did not volunteer which defense plant. But If I recall my Phil Ochs correctly, didn't working in a de-fense plant get you out of being conscripted? If so, isn't some kind of privileged background indicated by that?

Whatever...

Note that Shelley seems to have chosen his words carefully... he never said he was an intelligence officer IN the war.... he merely said "during".

According to the Church Committee, defense plants had army, navy and FBI informants working on the inside because of fear of saboteurs and strikes... 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=150797&imageOnly=true

So it appears that Shelley may well have been just that - an informant...and his claim of "intelligence officer turned CIA" was merely a case of inflating his own importance.  Any informant role he may have had in this un-named defense plant could easily have continued. As I have previously noted, TSBD President Jack Cason and the FBI very likely had a close relationship. See http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t243-the-6th-floor-whitewash-an-example

I know I have used a fistful of qualifiers... but really... it looks like a slam dunk to me...
From what we now know about Roy Truly's background, the history of the TSBD itself, and the way in which informers seemed to litter every street corner I would be most surprised if this wasn't the case.

Especially bearing in mind that the triangular relationships between Cason, Truly and Shelley seemed to be pretty tight.  Sorry to keep harping on about it but I still think there is a important story behind Mauser that Cason brought to work that week and the two other people who held the weapon and filled it with their finger prints were Roy Truly and Bill Shelley.

As far as Shelley's intelligence background - yeah, slam dunk for me too.
Re Cason -- presumably you mean Castor?
You know what?  If I had £1 for every time I've made that mistake I'd have enough money for a Big Mac meal.

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Cason - Castor.

Harvey - Lee.

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Post by ianlloyd on Fri 01 Nov 2013, 12:10 am

"We all make mistakes."

Too right - but as many mistakes attributed to so many people by the WC??? I suspect not...

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Post by Guest on Fri 01 Nov 2013, 10:07 am

"Mr. Shelley claims to have been an intelligence officer during WWII and thereafterjoined the CIA"

is what journalist Elzie Dean Glaze wrote in a 1989 letter, based upon information obtained in a 1975 interview of William Shelley. Glaze was allowed to take notes and use a tape recorder. "Thereafter", to my mind, spells 1947-49. And since he joined the TSBD (then known as the Hugh Perry Book Depository) in late October, 1945, it's pretty clear that he went direct from whatever defense plant he was working in during the war to a clerk position at the Depository.

And joined the CIA during its formative years, while he was in his early 20's.

The William Weston article subsequently details that "After the assassination, the Dallas Police placed Shelley under arrest and formally charged him with the murder of the President". To my mind that is the reason Shelley was held 'til 5 PM and produced TWO first-day affidavits.

"The Glaze Letters" in The Fourth Decade, Vol. 6, No. 4, May 1999

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Post by greg parker on Fri 01 Nov 2013, 10:45 am

Richard Gilbride wrote:"Mr. Shelley claims to have been an intelligence officer during WWII and thereafterjoined the CIA"

is what journalist Elzie Dean Glaze wrote in a 1989 letter, based upon information obtained in a 1975 interview of William Shelley. Glaze was allowed to take notes and use a tape recorder. "Thereafter", to my mind, spells 1947-49. And since he joined the TSBD (then known as the Hugh Perry Book Depository) in late October, 1945, it's pretty clear that he went direct from whatever defense plant he was working in during the war to a clerk position at the Depository.

And joined the CIA during its formative years, while he was in his early 20's.

The William Weston article subsequently details that "After the assassination, the Dallas Police placed Shelley under arrest and formally charged him with the murder of the President". To my mind that is the reason Shelley was held 'til 5 PM and produced TWO first-day affidavits.

"The Glaze Letters" in The Fourth Decade, Vol. 6, No. 4, May 1999
Richard, thanks for the heads up on the article. I don't buy the CIA story, which sounds to me like the braggadocio of someone who was a low level informant wishing he was more. 

If he was arrested as claimed by Weston, shouldn't there be an arrest report in the Dallas files? Do you know what sources Weston used for this?

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Post by Guest on Fri 01 Nov 2013, 11:56 am

Weston mentions two letters he had physical possession of. The first was dated June 2, 1989 to an Austin-based group known as the Alternative Information Network. He acquired that from Larry Ray Harris.

The second was a letter to the HSCA dated December 12, 1977. Weston acquired that from the Archives. He says he based his article upon the content in the two letters. The HSCA letter and their reply (from Blakey) are footnoted as HSCA doc #004079 and 004741.

Where i sense the braggadocio is in "intelligence officer" during WWII. At 18, 19, or 20 years old Shelley couldn't have been much more than a corporal in the OSS, working Stateside, but "officer" includes the possibility that he'd been a captain, a much more impressive resume for his listeners' ears.

To go from an intelligence organization (whatever it was) directly into the TSBD hints at a TSBD link into the intelligence community.


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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sat 02 Nov 2013, 7:05 am

All this discussion of Shelley's intelligence background brings me back to Frankie Kaiser; a likely FBI informant. Perhaps Shelley and Kaiser had a much closer working relationship than we know.

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