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Re: There is no other way to say it...

Post by Guest on Sat 07 Dec 2013, 11:31 am



In late 1962 Roscoe A. White began working at James Andrew's company, American National Life Insurance. Their office was 3 1/2 miles away, across the street from Austin's Bar-B-Cue, where Tippit moonlighted as a security guard on weekend nights starting in early 1961. Jack Ruby's business buddy Ralph Paul lived with the partner of Austin Cook, who owned the Bar-B-Cue.

Tippit's patrol car was parked at the driveway separating 402 from 404 East Tenth Street. The Davis sisters lived on the corner at 400 East Tenth. 404 East Tenth was divided into five apartments, and the only known occupants are Charles McRavin and his wife Ann. She apparently told the BBC, in a tape that got lost, that she'd witnessed the Tippit shooting from her window.


A block back of 10th & Patton was the Abundant Life Temple, which was 4 stories high and had over 100 rooms, a huge structure spanning half a block. Thomas Beckham told the HSCA that the Abundant Life Temple had been established by Fred Crisman. When Crisman and Beckham were holed up in Washington state, a Treasury agent who made their acquaintance, Robert Lavender, wrote to Jim Garrison. In an anonymous letter early in Garrison's investigation, dated January 9, 1968, Lavender referred to Crisman and asked "Is it not strange that he knew Tippit?'


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Post by casenagell on Sat 07 Dec 2013, 4:04 pm

I recall all that from your book, Richard. The connections are almost endless.
It's very strange he was so familiar to so many of the witnesses in that area, well apart from his district.

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Post by Guest on Sun 08 Dec 2013, 9:33 am

The secret to the Tippit murder, Steve, is connected to Fred Crisman, Jack Ruby and Roscoe White. And Igor Vaganov. In my opinion. I enjoyed listened to Joseph McBride at this year's COPA conference. Unfortunately the speakers all only got 20 minutes, so there wasn't much time to delve into details. But I will be ordering his recent book, [i]Into the Nightmare[urder./i], which is basically about the Tippit murder. What he sketched out is fascinating.

He interviewed Tippit's father. He also found a witness who told him about another police car that was at the scene, apparently parked on that driveway between 402 and 404 East Tenth. Who said a fellow cop shot Tippit. And that there was an accomplice.

Oldtime researcher Jones Harris told me via a phone call 2 years ago that Vaganov, in all likelihood, was the unknown civilian who gave Officer Kenneth Croy, the 1st to arrive on the scene, that wallet with the Oswald/Hidell IDs.

If someone could take those unidentified nonsmudged fingerprints taken off Tippit's front passenger fender, and run them through the FBI data bank, this case might get somewhere.

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Post by casenagell on Sun 08 Dec 2013, 5:46 pm

I did read Joe's book. Surprising little on The Abundant life Church. Crisman and Thomas Beckham aren't mentioned at all. It take's a wild to get where it's going, but the rest is a fine overview.
There's some good stuff on Olsen and Vaganov. He actually does look at many angles, though I wish he had left the Tippit/ Badgeman link alone...
As you said, he had access to some witnesses that were new, He has some interesting insights from Jim Leavelle..... it seems unfortunate but a lot of the other witnesses', those still living,  only talk through Dale Myers. (Myers book as you probably know just got an anniversary release. There is a great deal more new pictures and all the previous documents and stills have been cleared and enlarged. Great resource. Lousy researcher).
McBride gives much to think about though.
He doesn't mention it, and it's hard to find information on, but didn't Postal in her WC testimony say Tippit worked briefly at the Texas Theatre? Most likely before her time there... he moonlighted at Steven's Theatre, I think another, "Ships", was located near the Texas Theatre.
I'd like to know what you think of the book when you get to it.

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