A New Oswald Lookalike

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James Richards has today posted this photograph over at the Education Forum:



If I didn't know better I'd swear that is Robert Oswald.  He most definitely has the Oswald mouth and ear.

greg parker wrote:sure looks like Robert. Can't find the ed forum thread. Who is James saying it is?

This is my first post.  The topic of lookalikes surrounding the JFK assassination is not a side issue.  It is the key to understanding the whole story.  I'm not in to determining obscured photos like prayer man or badgeman.  Same goes for fraudulent double comparisons like LHO to Robert Webster, Larry Crafard etc.  But there are many associated characters (stock photos, HSCA, Garrison, other sources which I shall get into later) who have different identities but look remarkably similar.  Likewise, photos of persons said to bear the same identity that do not resemble the other (facial characteristics that should disqualify considering them alike).  Nice find on the photo, in my opinion very similar to Robert Edward Lee Oswald Jr or maybe its Robert Edwards.  By the way, how are these two photos of the same individual unless....

The topic of lookalikes surrounding the JFK assassination is not a side issue.

Agreed. But it is one that is rife with error.

I'm not in to determining obscured photos like prayer man or badgeman.

The difference between the two is simple: Badgeman is a Rorschach test based on a few pixels. There is no one there, so trying to determine who it is could keep you amused for a lifetime. Prayerman is a real person - and is therefore theoretically identifiable. And he has been [identified].

Same goes for fraudulent double comparisons like LHO to Robert Webster, Larry Crafard etc.

Don't know how you can call them fraudulent. It is without doubt that Larry Crafard was mistaken for LHO on a number of occasions. As for Webster... Marina herself seemed to confuse her own husband with Webster.

But there are many associated characters (stock photos, HSCA, Garrison, other sources which I shall get into later)  who have different identities but look remarkably similar.

Well, I'm sure they will be interesting and get some debate going.

Likewise, photos of persons said to bear the same identity that do not resemble the other (facial characteristics that should disqualify considering them alike).

Are you talking about the Mexico City photos?

Nice find on the photo, in my opinion very similar to Robert Edward Lee Oswald Jr or maybe its Robert Edwards.  By the way, how are these two photos of the same individual unless....

Because your second photo was actually a video of an interview with one of the daughters of LHO (and therefore didn't work), I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

I agree Greg. This area of the research is most troubling. There are many pitfalls and twisted facts many appearing on the record and used to support untenable claims. However, there is definitely some gold in the lack of evidence and assumptions made by officials to place Oswald in the locations they assume he repeatedly visited. The Agency deceived even officials about Mexico City and those possible impostors.

it does appear from the background of the photo it is the TSBD??? and since a crowd
is or has gathered can we safely assume it is the afternoon of 11/22/63???
Just as interstingly...who is the man "leading" and as if  if holding him for questioning???
has anyone ever looked into possible CIA/DIA/ONI/FBI links to LHO's 2 brothers???
from: david t. krall
email truthatlarge@hotmail.com

greg parker wrote:If it's not House, I'd look at one of these...

Bobby Joiner, 34; his three nephews, Roy Joiner, 17, Raymond Joiner, 16, and Gary Joiner, 17; Gene Guinn, 31, and William L. Cummings, 17, all from Grand Prairie, near Dallas.  

Just to show what a nice bunch they were...

ADULT CHRISTIANITY NEWS - AUTUMN 2000 LDS Priest Gets 68 Years for Molesting 10-year-old Girl 07.19.00 Dallas TX


Gene Guinn, 68, a Mormon hight priest has been sentenced to 68 years in prison for molesting a ten-year-old girl. Five other women testified at the trial claiming that Guinn had fondled or molested them also. Guinn faced a longer sentence due to a 1975 involuntary manslaughter conviction. SOURCE: AP

Unfortunately can locate any photos of any of them for comparison.

Ray Joiner's arrest form:

Greg,
Here is Roy Eugene Joiner just before arrest, He is waving the Hammer and Sickle sign with his mouth taped shut so he can not answer any questions.

Lucille Joiner, 81, of Grand Prairie, TX passed away on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at her home. She was born April 3, 1928 in Meridan, Mississippi to George Washington Jones and Rosa Mae (Long). She was married to Raphel Dillard Jones in Meridan, Mississippi, and he preceded her in death. She was a homemaker and member of the Baptist Church.

A graveside funeral will be held at 1:00 P.M. on Saturday, November 28, 2009 at Moore Memorial Garden 1219 N. Davis, Arlington, TX

Mrs. Joiner is survived by daughters, Toy Earhart, Justin, Tx Peggy Davis, and Ann Crutcher, Grand Prairie, TX and Janie Jones, of Rhome, Tx Sons, Raymond Joiner, of Tool, TX and Raphel Joiner and Roy Joiner, of Grand Prairie, TX, two brothers Lynn Jones and John Jones, of Louisiana, Twenty Two Grandchildren and over Thirty Great Grandchildren.

http://www.mulkeymasondenton.com/home/index.cfm?action=public%3Aobituaries.view&o_id=464280&fh_id=12120


Another of the bunch arrested, slight looking fellow with sign could pass for an Oswald

Larry Florer, we had a thread at the webs forum but since this is the only thread mentioning him...
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/docid-32265120.pdf

The guy in the white shirt being led away is Bob Richards.
The Bush type looking guy is  H.H. "Snooky" Davis, he was an investigator for the D.A. In the top pic he is escorting Florer away.

Thanks to Denis M., S. Roe and Jessica S.

Awesome research Bart!
Dig that Snooky guys threads.
Cheers, Ed

barto wrote:The guy in the white shirt being led away is Bob Richards.
The Bush type looking guy is  H.H. "Snooky" Davis, he was an investigator for the D.A. In the top pic he is escorting Florer away.

Thanks to Denis M., S. Roe and Jessica S.

"WTF are you talkin about!, Thats GEORGE H W BUSH DAMMIT!".......(laughs out loud literally!) Great work Barto!

Files on Larry Florer, thanks to Malcolm Blunt

No idea where p3 is....

Unbelieveable Greg. Very disappointed in your reply that the photos of RO in Dealey "may not be him." Here he is at LHO's funeral.





And you think that may not be RO in Dealey? Wow! Unbelievable!

JFK Case wrote:Unbelieveable Greg. Very disappointed in your reply that the photos of RO in Dealey "may not be him." Here he is at LHO's funeral.





And you think that may not be RO in Dealey? Wow! Unbelievable!

Congratulations Michael. You've joined the Dark Side of Conspiracy Land where looking like a particular person is the same thing as being that particular person. 

This methodology has brought us Bush, Lansdale and how many other well-known figures as DP spectators?

Please show in any testimony, any report, or indeed, in his book, where Robert says - or anyone else says - he was in DP on the afternoon of the assassination.

If you can show such a reference, I will reconsider my opinion accordingly.

I call it as I see it, Greg. Just because there's no testimony saying RO was ever there doesn't mean it never happened. The head shape, ears, mouth, and hair match. The mouth shape in Dealey is a dead ringer for LHO. The background shows the TSBD. What else is there? The larger question is - why was he there, with his arm being held by authorities? And I'm simply asking, not coming up with crazy ass stories.

Dark side? You must have me mixed up with the Doyles, Larsens, Davidsons, Josephs, Liftons, Paneras (or whoever the fuck that Secret Service "specialist" is) and other goofballs of the world. I've even waffled on the story you people hold in such high esteem here - Oswald in the Doorway. But I guess you'd call that theory, what...the Bright Side?

JFK Case wrote:I call it as I see it, Greg. Just because there's no testimony saying RO was ever there doesn't mean it never happened. The head shape, ears, mouth, and hair match. The mouth shape in Dealey is a dead ringer for LHO. The background shows the TSBD. What else is there? The larger question is - why was he there, with his arm being held by authorities? And I'm simply asking, not coming up with crazy ass stories.

Dark side? You must have me mixed up with the Doyles, Larsens, Davidsons, Josephs, Liftons, Paneras (or whoever the fuck that Secret Service "specialist" is) and other goofballs of the world. I've even waffled on the story you people hold in such high esteem here - Oswald in the Doorway. But I guess you'd call that theory, what...the Bright Side?

All those things about matches are the same things said about the so-called Bush and Lonsdale figures. People see "matches" from eyeballing things and bingo! instant proof.

And I did not just say from testimony. There are all sorts of reports and memos in which this could have/should have been mentioned - if indeed it was RO. And of course, there is also his book. Have you bothered to check it?

Because Michael, if there is no mention anywhere of it and you continue to maintain it is him, you are forced to start speculating that the lack of any mention anywhere is very suspicious and that something is being hidden. Cue the X Files Theme music.

No theory involved. Just pointing out two facts. Make of them what you will.

Fact 1: Oswald's alibi is that he was on the first floor and out front at all relevant times during the lunch period, except for a trip to the second floor just after noon, to get a coke.

Fact 2. There is an unidentified white male with receding hair and wearing worker's clothes on the steps at around the time of the shots. All white male manual workers from the TSBD can be ruled out except for one: Lee Oswald. 

ps I deny that the hair is a match. But that is just eyeballing, as well. Different sets of eyes may differ.

I dont know Greg, recently its been pointed out Michael Myers was stalking JFKs motorcade.


Just because there's no testimony saying MM was ever there doesn't mean it never happened. 

And here is another person in Dallas that day, nevermind there is no testimony.

 The head shape, ears, mouth, and hair match. The mouth shape in Dealey is a dead ringer for Freddie Mercury
Now there's a Bright Side!

Cheers, Ed

Look Ed, you and I know that the Myers-Mercury Hit Factory had a contract to off the prez )aka Operation Crossfire Time), but that little commie rat beat 'em to it.

Freddie Mercury?  Shit, I thought it was Stalin. I know he was dead by then but that's what my eyeballs are telling me. Taking a cue from Brian i'm declaring victory.

Walton and his CT bullshit has no place here let him rot at MacRae's instead so he can bitch along with Dingo Doyle.

Caught in a Crossfire, wink wink

I used to love watching the Walton's
Great show.
To bad the luddites got bandwidth and Michael an internet device.
Too much info too fast will cook your pea if youre not careful.
Michael didn't heed the warnings....
Oh the good ole days.

GOOD NIGHT JOHN BOY!

The person who posted that photo of the guy in the police office - and Greg - proved that the RO look alike is not RO. So I was wrong to think it was RO.

JFK Case wrote:The person who posted that photo of the guy in the police office - and Greg - proved that the RO look alike is not RO. So I was wrong to think it was RO.

Thanks for fessin' up, Michael. That is more than some can ever bring themselves to do.

You are right Ed, it is Michael Myers.....

Like I said I call them as I see them and that police station photo convinced me it wasn't him. Also, from a common sense perspective, why would RO even be there. So I agree it doesn't make logical sense.

Greg - what are your thoughts on LHO in the vestibule? The Hosty note and the "It's Lee" from MO is pretty convincing. The only thing that I still can't wrap my head around is - why would the planners risk blowing up the whole scheme by letting him roam around? Obviously LO was no dummy so it's not like they could have someone with him and say, "Hey, let's go up and talk during your lunch" during the shooting.