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Post by greg parker on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 1:05 pm

Who do these people sound like?

A slightly built 13 year old without a father figure in his life and who meets NYC's broad definition of "delinquent" is taken to a home for delinquent boys called Youth House. He has abused the cop who picked him calling him a "flatfoot". He remains aloof from the other kids and is generally uncooperative, though it soon becomes apparent he is intelligent and has an interest in electronics. Eventually he is given some responsibility among his peers and settles down.

His mother meanwhile is described in reports as “a respectable woman, but a morbid, nagging complainer, consumed with self-pity because she had to work, and never let "X" forget how she was slaving to support him.”

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 1:31 pm

greg parker wrote:Who do these people sound like?

A slightly built 13 year old without a father figure in his life and who meets NYC's broad definition of "delinquent" is taken to a home for delinquent boys called Youth House. He has abused the cop who picked him calling him a "flatfoot". He remains aloof from the other kids and is generally uncooperative, though it soon becomes apparent he is intelligent and has an interest in electronics. Eventually he is given some responsibility among his peers and settles down.

His mother meanwhile is described in reports as “a respectable woman, but a morbid, nagging complainer, consumed with self-pity because she had to work, and never let "X" forget how she was slaving to support him.”
Sounds like Lee Oswald and mother Marguerite, whoaccording to Thomas Mallonmade these annotations to Ruth Paine's testimony in her copy of the Warren Commission transcripts: "The proud and perfect Quaker…I keep saying she is a fraud and liar…She is evil, and selfish and the cause of it all…I would wipe up the floor with her."

Just a wild ass guess to get the ball rolling.

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Re: Experiment

Post by greg parker on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 2:06 pm

Thank you Stan.

I should add... I have no intention of giving any further info. Answer is in the book. I just want opinions.

I alzo haf nussing to zay about za Marguerite quote.

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Re: Experiment

Post by greg parker on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 2:49 pm

How about we try this...

1. Do you agree it sounds like Lee and Marguerite?

if so

2. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much does it sound like them

1 being only slightly 10 being it all but has to be them... 

This isn't a trick quiz - I really need to get an idea of how these descriptions are viewed and am grateful for the help.

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Post by Guest on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 2:53 pm

It does sound like them from what I have read Greg.

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Re: Experiment

Post by greg parker on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 3:30 pm

Thanks Paul... so I'll put you at upper end of the scale..

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 3:38 pm

Put me down as an 8 on the Parker scale.

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Post by Albert Rossi on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 3:44 pm

I'd be somewhere around 8, too.

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Re: Experiment

Post by Guest on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 6:50 pm

Lee and Marguerite in the context of the question seem to be a little too obvious , so i'm hoping Jim D's book review confirms my wild guess that Larry Crafard and his mother are the answer.

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Post by greg parker on Wed 08 Jan 2014, 7:39 pm

Alan Dixon wrote:Lee and Marguerite in the context of the question seem to be a little too obvious , so i'm hoping Jim D's book review confirms my wild guess that Larry Crafard and his mother are the answer.
 Smile Like I said. Alan... not a trick question... this is very pertinent to answering who the hell Lee and Marguerite were. Having read the description, please give more your rating. Is it just  a passing similarity or one that jumps out?

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Post by Guest on Thu 09 Jan 2014, 4:16 am

Understood, Greg. I'll score it a 7.

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Post by greg parker on Thu 09 Jan 2014, 9:26 am

Thanks Alan - and to all. I think I can now safely assume that those descriptions are a pretty good template for the Dynamic Duo, and could be mistaken for them if what I wrote was all you had to go on. 

There was one thing I forgot to explicitly add and that is that the mother was specifically identified as the cause of the son's problems.

How Lee and Marguerite have been written about historically is all wrong. The facts will rock this case to its core.

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Post by Albert Rossi on Thu 09 Jan 2014, 9:49 am

You've got us all on tenterhooks, Greg!

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Post by Robert Charles-Dunne on Thu 09 Jan 2014, 11:00 am

Tommie and Mommie Dearest.

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Post by greg parker on Thu 09 Jan 2014, 11:05 am

Albert Rossi wrote:You've got us all on tenterhooks, Greg!
Lee and I agree that what we have developed for this first volume - especially dealing with LHO's early years, and time in NYC - is huge. And in saying that, I am trying not to overstate what we'll be presenting. As I've said privately to some - I'm a wreck trying to get it all down in a manner that is not hyperbolic, yet gets the significance across. The work will either be embraced as a major breakthrough -- or largely ignored because it is too far out of the "JFK literature comfort zone" for most. 

In either case, I'm reasonably confident we can get good sales in Latin America because the first part of the book deals with Colombia culminating in the Jorge Gaitan assassination, I am 100% certain we have solved that case in regards to who, how and why.

The Gaitan hit serves as a perfect precedent for the RFK hit, and the subsequent inquiry ordered by the president into the initial investigations serves as a very good template for the Warren Commission.

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Re: Experiment

Post by greg parker on Thu 09 Jan 2014, 11:05 am

Robert Charles-Dunne wrote:Tommie and Mommie Dearest.
?

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Post by Robert Charles-Dunne on Fri 10 Jan 2014, 2:11 am

greg parker wrote:?


http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19491023&id=y7whAAAAIBAJ&sjid=s5wFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4832,1956986

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Post by greg parker on Fri 10 Jan 2014, 7:05 am

Whose a clever boy, then?

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Post by Robert Charles-Dunne on Fri 10 Jan 2014, 9:11 am

greg parker wrote:Whose a clever boy, then?

I've no idea.

But reading that was postively spooky and prescient.  Even though I strongly doubt the Youth House was the "Boystown" story as presented, or that LHO was Tommie, it might as well have been scripted in advance for all the putative similarities.

Good nose, GPFLOOR.

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Post by greg parker on Fri 10 Jan 2014, 9:33 am

Robert Charles-Dunne wrote:
greg parker wrote:Whose a clever boy, then?

I've no idea.

But reading that was postively spooky and prescient.  Even though I strongly doubt the Youth House was the "Boystown" story as presented, or that LHO was Tommie, it might as well have been scripted in advance for all the putative similarities.

Good nose, GPFLOOR.
I should have given you more credit... I had myself convinced you were making some obscure reference to a couple of movies...

Now that the cat's out....

The story is total fiction... but as always - there is more to it than meets the eye.

Spooky and prescient, most definitely.

It connects to Hartogs belated claim that he had predicted Oswald "dangerous", and to the making of a "legend".

The full NYC story is mind-blowing --

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