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    Post by greg parker on Wed 29 Jan 2014, 8:08 am

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by Albert Rossi on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 11:26 am

    https://plus.google.com/114283617783610089686/posts/ggmFadW34dL

    Is there a hidden agenda here?

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by dwdunn(akaDan) on Thu 30 Jan 2014, 4:30 pm

    Like what, Al? Whatcha got in mind?

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by Albert Rossi on Fri 31 Jan 2014, 12:24 am

    "JFK wasn't really a 'liberal', see?"  Brought to you by the National Archives.

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by dwdunn(akaDan) on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 12:28 am

    I forgot to get back to you, Al. I see now what you were getting at -- the Kennedy Administration didn't prevent/help Seeger from serving time for contempt of Congress.

    But that's what happens when you refuse to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee; you're suspected of being un-American. It's really all about the loyalty, and the circular logic.

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by Albert Rossi on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 3:04 am

    So true, Dan.  But I couldn't help but think the lack of intervention on the part of the White House was being insinuated. Otherwise, why post the letter with no further explanation?

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by dwdunn(akaDan) on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 8:03 am

    When I first looked at it (and didn't pay much attention to the introductory account, which was why I didn't get what you were getting at), it crossed my mind that Guthrie's letter was being presented as something of a joke, due to its "primitive" creative quality. Like, "look at how this 'radical' wrote to the President of the United States!! Like a child would write......" That could be another element of "a message" to readers along the lines you're thinking.

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by Albert Rossi on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 8:21 am

    Yes, that's a good observation, too.  Childlike printing and ingenuous plea by Guthrie.  But given the way that forces have been arrayed against JFK in order to break the back of "Camelot", that was my first instinct.

    And the statement, "In the end, though, he was sentenced to prison for refusing to testify." was what put me on it.

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by greg parker on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 9:05 am

    Could the position of President interfere in due process even if they wanted to? I would doubt it, but you guys would know more than me about that.

    If, as I suspect, he could not interfere, then the letter being produced is an affront to common sense and common decency.

    Someone should ask Arlo if he actually thought JFK could do anything.

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by Albert Rossi on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 9:12 am

    greg parker wrote:Could the position of President interfere in due process even if they wanted to? I would doubt it, but you guys would know more than me about that.

    If, as I suspect, he could not interfere, then the letter being produced is an affront to common sense and common decency.

    Someone should ask Arlo if he actually thought JFK could do anything.


    Gerald Ford pardons Richard Nixon before tried.

    George Bush Sr. pardons Oliver North.

    But I suppose that's OK because these were "honorable men".

    I get what you're saying, Greg, but I guess what I am thinking is it's not so much interfering with due process, but at least pardoning him so he doesn't serve time, that would have been possible.  At least that may be the implication.

    Of course, JFK could not expose himself this way with some radical protester.  Hell, he couldn't even speak openly about what was going on behind the scenes diplomatically with Khrushchev, Castro or Vietnam in 1963.

    But I still say that the propaganda machine relies on the public making these kinds of unreasoned conclusions.

    In any case, I think one must arrive at the conclusion that this is yet another attempt to smear JFK, whether your objection is correct (that there was nothing he could do by law), or mine is (that there was nothing he could do without putting his own administration in jeopardy).

    Like the idea that JFK was so sick he could die at the same time he was in bed with half of the Washington école des femmes.


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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by greg parker on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 11:22 am

    Albert Rossi wrote:
    greg parker wrote:Could the position of President interfere in due process even if they wanted to? I would doubt it, but you guys would know more than me about that.

    If, as I suspect, he could not interfere, then the letter being produced is an affront to common sense and common decency.

    Someone should ask Arlo if he actually thought JFK could do anything.


    Gerald Ford pardons Richard Nixon before tried.

    George Bush Sr. pardons Oliver North.

    But I suppose that's OK because these were "honorable men".

    I get what you're saying, Greg, but I guess what I am thinking is it's not so much interfering with due process, but at least pardoning him so he doesn't serve time, that would have been possible.  At least that may be the implication.

    Of course, JFK could not expose himself this way with some radical protester.  Hell, he couldn't even speak openly about what was going on behind the scenes diplomatically with Khrushchev, Castro or Vietnam in 1963.

    But I still say that the propaganda machine relies on the public making these kinds of unreasoned conclusions.

    In any case, I think one must arrive at the conclusion that this is yet another attempt to smear JFK, whether your objection is correct (that there was nothing he could do by law), or mine is (that there was nothing he could do without putting his own administration in jeopardy).

    Like the idea that JFK was so sick he could die at the same time he was in bed with half of the Washington école des femmes.
    Albert, at the time of the letter being sent, Seeger had only been questioned by HUAC - he was not charged with anything until 2 years after JFK was assassinated (if memory serves), therefore could not possibly be pardoned by JFK. One has to assume that Guthrie was asking for JFK to call the HUAC off Seeger - which comes back to interference in due process.

    I agree 100% that certain conclusions were meant to be drawn by this publication. And it stinks.
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    my bad: should have checked before posting. He was sentenced 2 years BEFORE not AFTER the assassination. 

    You were right, Albert. He actually could have pardoned him.


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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by Albert Rossi on Mon 10 Feb 2014, 11:41 am

    Thanks, Greg.  You did the legwork I should have done.

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    Re: Pete Seeger

    Post by Arlene Raquel Kapel on Mon 24 Mar 2014, 9:09 am

    Recently I have been watching pete on YouTube. OMG what a fabulous performer. His redition of "Michael Rode the Boat Ashore" always brings tears to my eyes. Its too bad that so many rightwing trolls post comments.

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