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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Fri 14 Feb 2014, 8:04 pm

The dickhead known as Dale Myers has written a reply to Joseph McBride's article on his shitty blog:

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/mcbrides-folly-how-conspirati-avoid.html

He takes a swipe at CTKA.net saying that it is "ironically and absurdly" called Citizens for truth about the Kennedy assassination. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing absurd is Myers. The guy is a piece of shit, period.

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Post by Martin Hay on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 12:23 am

Myers certainly has an arrogant manner.

Hasan, what evidence does he offer in his book to place the time of the Tippit shooting at 1:14:30?

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 12:35 am

Martin Hay wrote:Myers certainly has an arrogant manner.

Hasan, what evidence does he offer in his book to place the time of the Tippit shooting at 1:14:30?



Martin,


Myers basically relies on the DPD radio transmission recordings which he claims places Bowley's transmission that Tippit was shot at about 1:17 pm. I will try to get back to you on how he then backtracks to the time of 1:14.30 pm when I have the time.

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Post by Martin Hay on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 12:38 am

Cool. Thanks, Hasan.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 7:12 am

Martin,

Myers writes that beginning at about 1:16 pm, a microphone is repeatedly keyed on channel one of the DPD tape recordings (by Benavides) , and that it continues until Bowley allegedly reports the shooting at about 1:17.41 pm. Based on Ted Callaway's statements, Myers says that Callaway arrived at the murder scene within ninety seconds from the sounds of the shots to when Benavides first tries to contact the dispatchers. That's pretty much how he arrives at his conclusion.

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Post by Martin Hay on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 7:49 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:Martin,

Myers writes that beginning at about 1:16 pm, a microphone is repeatedly keyed on channel one of the DPD tape recordings (by Benavides) , and that it continues until Bowley allegedly reports the shooting at about 1:17.41 pm. Based on Ted Callaway's statements, Myers says that Callaway arrived at the murder scene within ninety seconds from the sounds of the shots to when Benavides first tries to contact the dispatchers. That's pretty much how he arrives at his conclusion.

So how does he deal with Bowley's watch reading 1:10 pm when arrived on the scene? And Markham leaving her apartment at 1:04 pm (did a 2 and a half minute walk take her 10 minutes?)? And Benavides saying he sat in his truck for a few minutes? And Callaway and Guinyard's own statements that the shooting happened around 1 pm?

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Post by Guest on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 10:45 am

If Meyers used primary evidence as often as the words "conspirati" or "jackasses", he might actually have something worth reading.

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Post by Albert Rossi on Sat 15 Feb 2014, 10:55 am

I've never read anything by Myers (nor do I care to) -- just as I pay little heed to the BS that comes from Gary Mack and his 6th-floor musings.  I don't think anyone who knowingly falsifies the topography of Dealey Plaza and resulting geometry is worthy of my time. 

I'll only say this: if Myers uses conspirati to mean "conspiracy theorists", he's the jackass, because it means 'conspirators'.  (I suppose that's what he considers 'witty'; but I consider it only half-witty.)

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 16 Feb 2014, 7:06 am

Martin Hay wrote:So how does he deal with Bowley's watch reading 1:10 pm when arrived on the scene?

He says the accuracy of his watch was never determined.

And Markham leaving her apartment at 1:04 pm (did a 2 and a half minute walk take her 10 minutes?)?

He says the  accuracy of the clock on the wall of the washateria was never determined, and speculates that Markham delayed her departure because she was trying to contact her daughter using the phone in the washateria.

And Benavides saying he sat in his truck for a few minutes?

He quotes from Benavides' interview with Eddie Barker in 1967, where he tells him he stayed in his truck for only a second or two. In hindsight, I think Benavides did exaggerate a bit when he said he sat in his truck for a few minutes.

And Callaway and Guinyard's own statements that the shooting happened around 1 pm?

I don't think he discusses it.


What can I say.... Myers is pathetic.


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Post by greg parker on Sun 16 Feb 2014, 8:16 am

Albert Rossi wrote:I've never read anything by Myers (nor do I care to) -- just as I pay little heed to the BS that comes from Gary Mack and his 6th-floor musings.  I don't think anyone who knowingly falsifies the topography of Dealey Plaza and resulting geometry is worthy of my time. 

I'll only say this: if Myers uses conspirati to mean "conspiracy theorists", he's the jackass, because it means 'conspirators'.  (I suppose that's what he considers 'witty'; but I consider it only half-witty.)
 Laughing 

I think Myers was trying to be clever by adding the "i" along the lines of other Latin words ending in "i" in order to make what he thought was a pseudo Latin word that people would take to denote "conspiracy theorists."

It's similar to some people assuming that the plural of "platypus" is platypi" (the difference here is, they're not trying to be clever by making up a word. The commonality however is ignorance). 

What he should have said was "conspiracy theoristi" but of course, that would just him look stupid - even to other other half-wits.

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Post by Martin Hay on Sun 16 Feb 2014, 8:30 pm

Hasan Yusuf wrote:
Martin Hay wrote:So how does he deal with Bowley's watch reading 1:10 pm when arrived on the scene?

He says the accuracy of his watch was never determined.

And Markham leaving her apartment at 1:04 pm (did a 2 and a half minute walk take her 10 minutes?)?

He says the  accuracy of the clock on the wall of the washateria was never determined, and speculates that Markham delayed her departure because she was trying to contact her daughter using the phone in the washateria.

And Benavides saying he sat in his truck for a few minutes?

He quotes from Benavides' interview with Eddie Barker in 1967, where he tells him he stayed in his truck for only a second or two. In hindsight, I think Benavides did exaggerate a bit when he said he sat in his truck for a few minutes.

And Callaway and Guinyard's own statements that the shooting happened around 1 pm?

I don't think he discusses it.


What can I say.... Myers is pathetic.


I guess all the clocks in Dallas were running slow that day, right?

Seriously, Bowley arrived on the scene after the shooting so his watch would have had to be at least five minutes slow if Tippit was killed at 1:15. What are the chances his watch was as much as five minutes slow without him realising it? I have a clock in my bedroom that's always gaining time. It's currently around five minutes fast. As you can tell, I'm fully aware of it.

Same deal with Markham's washateria clock. Wouldn't she have had some idea if that clock was wrong? She was following her usual routine and on her way to catch a bus to work which was due at 1:12 pm. So why would she rely on a clock she didn't know to be accurate? And why would she delay her departure if she needed to get that bus to get to work on time? And isn't it a remarkably weird coincidence that she put the time of Tippit's death at 1:06-1:07 pm and this fits perfectly with Bowley's statement that he arrived after the shooting at 1:10 pm?

So the clock and watch were never checked for accuracy and Myers wants us to accept that this means they could have been wrong. Well they could also have been right, couldn't they? And the very fact that the observed times were 100% corroborative supports their accuracy. As does the fact that Markham was catching a bus due at 1:12 pm. And the fact that her washateria was a 2.5 minute walk from the scene.

I'm not surprised he doesn't discuss Callaway and Guinyard's 1:00 pm estimates. They don't really suit his bullshit theory, do they? But they fit pretty well with the times given by Markham and Bowley.

Another amazing coincidence, right?

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Post by greg parker on Sun 16 Feb 2014, 9:19 pm

Martin Hay wrote:I guess all the clocks in Dallas were running slow that day, right?

Not to change the main subject here... but it would seen so, Martin - and by exactly 5 minutes.

From DPD report on Piper



This was actually the second time he said it was 12:25. Mysteriously, he amended this to 12:30 to 12:32 during his WC testimony - and of course, was never questioned about the time he originally gave.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Mon 17 Feb 2014, 7:07 am

Yeah, there "certainly" were a lot of slow clocks and watches in Dallas that day. I'll probably have some more comments to make when I find the time (no pun intended).

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Post by Albert Rossi on Tue 18 Feb 2014, 1:01 am

Tweet by Jim DiEugenio:

"Joseph McBride's article at CTKA got Dale Myers in a tizzy. He had to reply. Wait until he sees the upcoming 60 page review of his book"

10:35 PM - 16 Feb 2014

FYI.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Tue 18 Feb 2014, 7:00 am

Albert Rossi wrote:Tweet by Jim DiEugenio:

"Joseph McBride's article at CTKA got Dale Myers in a tizzy. He had to reply. Wait until he sees the upcoming 60 page review of his book"

10:35 PM - 16 Feb 2014

FYI.

Hmmm... I wonder who that might be?

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Post by Albert Rossi on Tue 18 Feb 2014, 7:22 am

Vince Bugliosi?  Wink

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Post by greg parker on Tue 18 Feb 2014, 9:15 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:
Albert Rossi wrote:Tweet by Jim DiEugenio:

"Joseph McBride's article at CTKA got Dale Myers in a tizzy. He had to reply. Wait until he sees the upcoming 60 page review of his book"

10:35 PM - 16 Feb 2014

FYI.

Hmmm... I wonder who that might be?
I think Dale might soon be scratching a certain Melbournian off his potential new 9th best friend list.

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greg parker wrote:I think Dale might soon be scratching a certain Melbournian off his potential new 9th best friend list.


So he/she is from Melbourne? Maybe it's someone I know.  Wink

Albert Rossi wrote:Vince Bugliosi?

LOL.

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 19 Feb 2014, 1:22 am

greg parker wrote:
Albert Rossi wrote:I've never read anything by Myers (nor do I care to) -- just as I pay little heed to the BS that comes from Gary Mack and his 6th-floor musings.  I don't think anyone who knowingly falsifies the topography of Dealey Plaza and resulting geometry is worthy of my time. 

I'll only say this: if Myers uses conspirati to mean "conspiracy theorists", he's the jackass, because it means 'conspirators'.  (I suppose that's what he considers 'witty'; but I consider it only half-witty.)
 Laughing 

I think Myers was trying to be clever by adding the "i" along the lines of other Latin words ending in "i" in order to make what he thought was a pseudo Latin word that people would take to denote "conspiracy theorists."

It's similar to some people assuming that the plural of "platypus" is platypi" (the difference here is, they're not trying to be clever by making up a word. The commonality however is ignorance). 

What he should have said was "conspiracy theoristi" but of course, that would just him look stupid - even to other other half-wits.
When it comes to half-wits, I can hang with the best of 'em.
 
To Mr. Myers: if we're the conspirati, then you, sir, are a just a lone nutterus, one of the lone nutterati.
 
There. Half-wit meets half-wit. Touching, isn't it?

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Post by Albert Rossi on Wed 19 Feb 2014, 2:03 am

Or, in the immortal words of General McAuliffe:  "us surrender? aw, nuts!"

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Post by JFK Student on Thu 20 Feb 2014, 9:41 pm

60 page review?Wow,that is almost a book by itself. Looking forward to reading it. Hope it will be available soon.

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Post by beowulf on Fri 21 Feb 2014, 4:23 am

Just to put this in one place, this is what I gleaned from Question Concerning Time thread:
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Dallas PD Property Room file has Tippit pronounced dead in ER at 1:15pm.
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337723/m1/1/

Dallas PD Records file has Tippit pronounced dead in ER at 1:19pm.
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338163/m1/1/

Secret Service file has Tippit pronounced dead in ER at 1:25pm.
https://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/18/51/39/20/image208.jpg
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There are three intriguing things to note about this:
1.  These are all purportedly the same document (Supplementary Offense Report Concerning Shooting of Officer Tippit #1).
2. Nobody and nothing can ruin a police coverup like medical doctors. Thats why homicide rates are the most reliable crime statistics; any patrol officer can turn a robbery report into, say, a shoplifting, homicides unavoidably involved doctors and their paperwork. For violent deaths, the ER doctor will report case, w/ time of death noted, to coroner (depending on jurisdiction, this job dual-hatted with either medical examiner or justice of the peace). That's why Tippit's death certificate isn't signed by ER doc but by the coroner.
https://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/18/51/39/20/image201.jpg

3. The death certificate is surely the most accurate time stamp in the Tippit case (when doctor called Tippit DOA by an ER clock) at 1:15pm. The doc has no way of knowing if Tippit was shot at 12:50, 1:00 or 1:10, he can only note time he saw him come in ER. I'd point out Tippit's death certificate wasn't filed until Dec. 11. Notice that the items that were known to ER doc on Nov. 22 (Officer Tippit's name, 1:15pm time of death, etc) are typed ABOVE printed lines. You can tell the items that were added later (name of Tippit's father, the curious 1:18pm time of injury, etc) were clearly typed in at a later time ON the printed lines. There's no question of time of death ER doc reported to coroner, its noted in autopsy order.
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190303/m1/1/med_res/

This is Prima Facie evidence of evidence tampering (two of the three "identical" copies of a report having been changed) and suggestive of something very dark indeed. Excepting Sean Murphy's awesome revision of TSBD story, this is the most interesting thing I've learned about the Dallas murders this past year.

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Post by Stan Dane on Fri 21 Feb 2014, 5:05 am

Being a legal guy, do you think this (strong) prima facie evidence of tampering is grounds for opening an investigation? Or should it be part of a larger argument for reopening the Kennedy case?

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Post by beowulf on Fri 21 Feb 2014, 5:38 am

The Dallas DA could certainly reopen investigation, no statute of limitations on murder (what's interesting is he'd actually be reopening the Tippit case and not the JFK case per se). However prosecutorial discretion means no one can make him reopen either matter. No elected prosecutor wants to be tagged a nut the way Jim Garrison was. Having said that, if the DA did want to reopen the case, this is where he should begin. Start pulling the thread at Tippit's declared time of death-- the one fact we can be certain of-- and by working the timeline backwards he could keep pulling the sweater apart all the way back to Dealey Plaza.
1:15pm, ambulance arrives (we'll assume doctor called him DOA immediately).
What time did ambulance leave crime scene?
What time did ambulance reach crime scene?
What time did ambulance get dispatch to scene?
What time did a civilian report it?
What time was Tippit shot?

And so on.... it quickly becomes apparent that unless he had a driver, there's no way Oswald could make the timeline work. If someone took the trouble to either frame or assist Oswald on the Tippit murder it stands to reason someone also framed or assisted Oswald on the Kennedy murder less than an hour  earlier. The DA won't open this can of worms, of course, but he should.

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Post by Stan Dane on Fri 21 Feb 2014, 5:54 am

beowulf wrote:The Dallas DA could certainly reopen investigation, no statute of limitations on murder (what's interesting is he'd actually be reopening the Tippit case and not the JFK case per se). However prosecutorial discretion means no one can make him reopen either matter. No elected prosecutor wants to be tagged a nut the way Jim Garrison was. Having said that, if the DA did want to reopen the case, this is where he should begin. Start pulling the thread at Tippit's declared time of death-- the one fact we can be certain of-- and by working the timeline backwards he could keep pulling the sweater apart all the way back to Dealey Plaza.
1:15pm, ambulance arrives (we'll assume doctor called him DOA immediately).
What time did ambulance leave crime scene?
What time did ambulance reach crime scene?
What time did ambulance get dispatch to scene?
What time did a civilian report it?
What time was Tippit shot?

And so on.... it quickly becomes apparent that unless he had a driver, there's no way Oswald could make the timeline work. If someone took the trouble to either frame or assist Oswald on the Tippit murder it stands to reason someone also framed or assisted Oswald on the Kennedy murder less than an hour  earlier. The DA won't open this can of worms, of course, but he should.
Maybe the best way reopen this thing is through Tippit and not JFK. Start with something much smaller in scope than the whole enchilada, but once the door is cracked open and the Trojan horse inside, then the sweater unraveling begins. Eat the elephant in small bites?
 
Maybe a principled DA might open a can of worms if the can was a small one. (Are there any principled DAs anywhere anymore?)  

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