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Post by greg parker on Sun 23 Feb 2014, 12:47 pm

From http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/dvp-vs-dieugenio-part-87.html

Ruth Paine (who never lies and so we must take her at her word when she said she wanted a divorce because "Michael Paine commenced a course of unkind, harsh and tyrannical treatment and conduct toward [her] of such a nature as to render their future living together unsupportable") also had this exchange with Jenner:

Mr. JENNER - Directing your attention to your address book, you have an entry in your address book of the Texas School Depository, do you not? Would you turn to that page?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; I have it here.
Mr. JENNER - Is there an entry of address of the Texas School Depository on that page?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; which I believe I made after he gained employment there.
Mr. JENNER - Rather than at the time that you advised him of this possibility?
Mrs. PAINE - Indeed.
Mr. JENNER - Have you made an entry of the telephone number of the Texas School Book Depository on that date?
Mrs. PAINE - Yes; I have and of the address.
Mr. JENNER - And that is the telephone number and the address of the Texas School Depository Building where--
Mrs. PAINE - On Elm Street.

So the day of the assassination was not the first she realized Oswald worked on Elm St. She had the damn address written in her book. 


DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Now let's take a look at what Greg Parker has (intentionally?) left out of Ruth Paine's Warren Commission testimony that he cited above. Let's start with the very next question that was asked by Albert Jenner:


Mr. JENNER - I heard you mention the Texas School Depository warehouse. Did you think the warehouse was at 411 Elm?

Mrs. PAINE - No. I had seen a sign on a building as I went along one of the limited access highways that leads into Dallas, saying "Texas School Book Depository Warehouse" and there was the only building that had registered on my consciousness as being Texas School Book Depository. I was not aware, hadn't taken in the idea of there being two buildings and that there was one on Elm, though I copied the address from the telephone book, and could well have made that notation in my mind, but I didn't. The first I realized that there was a building on Elm was when I heard on the television on the morning of the 22nd of November that a shot had been fired from such a building.

Mr. JENNER - For the purpose of this record then I would like to emphasize you were under the impression then, were you, that Lee Harvey Oswald was employed...?

Mrs. PAINE - At the warehouse.

Mr. JENNER - Other than at 411, a place at 411 Elm?

Mrs. PAINE - I thought he worked at the warehouse. I had, in fact, pointed out the building to my children going into Dallas later after he had gained employment.

Mr. JENNER - Did you ever discuss with Lee Harvey Oswald where he actually was employed, that is the location of the building?

Mrs. PAINE - No; I didn't.

Mr. JENNER - Did he ever mention it?

Mrs. PAINE - No.

Mr. JENNER - There never was any discussion between you and, say, young Mr. Frazier or Mrs. Randle or anyone in the neighborhood as to where the place of employment is located?

Mrs. PAINE - No.

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It's all explained in what I would consider a reasonable way by Mrs. Paine above. She thought Oswald worked in the "warehouse" building. She didn't think he worked at the TSBD Building located at 411 Elm Street, even though she wrote that address down in her address book (probably in October).
Okay, so DVP says she wrote down the Elm St address from the phone book but thought he actually worked in the other warehouse.


Depending on who you believe, the Elm St warehouse only began being used from either late '62 or early '63. 

What phone book would Ruth have had and would it have the Elm St phone number in it? 

At best, the book would have contained both numbers. Why would she write the Elm St address down if she believed her worked in the other building? When she first inquired about a job for Oswald, she phoned the Elm St building - not the other one. 

And why, if she thought he worked at the other warehouse, would she greet cops with the words, "I've been expecting you"?

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Post by WM63 on Mon 10 Mar 2014, 4:37 pm

Hi Greg,

I am quite sure you are aware of this but, I am posting it for the readers of this forum. The following is a link to Marina Oswald's affidavit of 11/22/1963:
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337387/
This was taken on the evening of the 22nd. About half way through, Marina says "Lee went to work for a book company. Mrs. Paine pointed out the place on Hines that Lee worked for. "

However, the word "Hines" is a hand edited correction of the original typed word, which on close examination appears to be "Elm"......sounds like a case of oops, that should not be on there.

IMO, Ruth Paine knew exactly where LHO worked.

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Post by ianlloyd on Mon 10 Mar 2014, 6:50 pm

An obviously deliberate change - why "Hines" - Does Hines exist? Where is it? Is there any link between Hines and Oswald?

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Post by greg parker on Mon 10 Mar 2014, 8:57 pm

WM63 wrote:Hi Greg,

I am quite sure you are aware of this but, I am posting it for the readers of this forum. The following is a link to Marina Oswald's affidavit of 11/22/1963:
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337387/
This was taken on the evening of the 22nd. About half way through, Marina says "Lee went to work for a book company. Mrs. Paine pointed out the place on Hines that Lee worked for. "

However, the word "Hines" is a hand edited correction of the original typed word, which on close examination appears to be "Elm"......sounds like a case of oops, that should not be on there.

IMO, Ruth Paine knew exactly where LHO worked.
Actually I wasn't aware of it - thanks. It just about seals it.

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Post by greg parker on Mon 10 Mar 2014, 8:58 pm

ianlloyd wrote:An obviously deliberate change - why "Hines" - Does Hines exist? Where is it? Is there any link between Hines and Oswald?
Harry Hines Boulevard.

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Post by Guest on Tue 11 Mar 2014, 3:54 pm

Ruth Paine's psychology is fairly easy to understand, isn't it? I know a lot of people like that (women, especially). You can see it in her writings, and it really shows in some of the film interviews. She's.... "proper" in a way, it's like, she never questioned what her father told her, it's just the way things are done. (Replace "father" with minister, or whatever authority figure exists there). Some little girls find a system that lets them tread water, and they continue to use it their whole lives. What is "right" always plays prominently in the value system. That kind of thing. Justifies some oddball behavior, at times. IMO, I'm sure. Smile

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Post by greg parker on Tue 11 Mar 2014, 4:05 pm

nonsqtr wrote:Ruth Paine's psychology is fairly easy to understand, isn't it? I know a lot of people like that (women, especially). You can see it in her writings, and it really shows in some of the film interviews. She's.... "proper" in a way, it's like, she never questioned what her father told her, it's just the way things are done. (Replace "father" with minister, or whatever authority figure exists there). Some little girls find a system that lets them tread water, and they continue to use it their whole lives. What is "right" always plays prominently in the value system. That kind of thing. Justifies some oddball behavior, at times. IMO, I'm sure. Smile
Generally speaking, it may hold. But I would have thought it was more a "Southern" thing?

Since she claims to have had zero interest in his politics, I'm not sure how much you can apply it to Ruth. You have to take into account her Quaker faith when assessing her behavior in some instances - and then bear in mind, the times she lived in, her innate anti-Communism and how religions like the Society of Friends were used by intelligence agencies.  

She is one who needs to be put under cross examination by someone who knows the right questions.

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