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on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 10:52 pm
Westbrook was a burly man with broad shoulders whose ruddy complexion earned him the nickname "Pinky" from his fellow officers. He was an Arkansas native who moved to Dallas in 1937 and joined the DPD in 1941.
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on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 11:15 pm
Richard Gilbride wrote:Westbrook was a burly man with broad shoulders whose ruddy complexion earned him the nickname "Pinky" from his fellow officers. He was an Arkansas native who moved to Dallas in 1937 and joined the DPD in 1941.
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on Sat 01 Mar 2014, 11:23 pm
"subsequently became an advisor to the Saigon police"

I thought this merited further checking out.


It seems this service was provided through USAID. 


Which translates as CIA. 


 one of many sources:
Foreign assistance authorization: hearings before the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate, Ninety-third Congress, second session...



.. the U.S. Agency for International Development was requesting 815.2 million for continued funding of the GVN's police and prison ... Under the Paris Agreement, the Administration was required to withdraw all advisors to Saigon's police force. ... (Vietnamese police) officers said they and their staffs met frequently with the Saigon station chief of the CIA and his staff . . . Police officials confirmed that in some provinces American 'liaison' men who work with the police remain on the job .

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on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:23 am
Bill Simpich wrote:I'm glad so many people are focusing on Westbrook.

I think he was involved in framing Oswald for the  assassination.  My book State Secret has a lot more on Westbrook at Chapters 6-7, but here's a quick round-up...

That wallet came out of nowhere into Croy's hands, and then Westbrook.  Westbrook wrote no memo about the mysteriously-appearing wallet.

That wallet, with the ID of both Oswald and Hidell, tied LHO not just to the Tippit crime scene (I don't think he was even there), but to the Carcano rifle found on the sixth floor.

Another thing about Westbrook - he worked in his shirt sleeves at Personnel.  He didn't wear a uniform, what was he doing out there giving orders that day?

He was more of a spook than anything else - he had access to all the officers' personnel files, he could make someone or break someone, and had a pretty good  read on them from his access to the files.  I think of him as similar to Angleton's analyst Ann Egerter.

If memory serves me right, Gerald Hill worked in the Personnel office with him.

I agree that Westbrook is a suspicious character.

Chauncey Holt tells a very interesting (and very detailed) story about the identification he was asked to generate, prior to the JFK assassination.

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009/12/chauncey-holts-execution-of-oswald.html

As you know Bill, I've begun work with a computer system that's going to help fill in some of the missing links with this stuff. The real question (I think) is the path of the ID, between Holt and Westbrook (or, I'm using this as an example - let's say, between "the forgers" and wherever the ID was used).

The key corroborative evidence that leaps out at me, is that Holt claims he generated multiple sets of ID's, and we have in fact discovered multiple sets of ID's. The real question is how these ID's got from Holt's hands into Westbrook's hands - and when we research that piece, we're in a different world, we're in the world of people like Phillip A Twombly and so on. Speaking of which - what do we really know about Twombly, anything?
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on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:28 am
greg parker wrote:
"subsequently became an advisor to the Saigon police"

I thought this merited further checking out.


It seems this service was provided through USAID. 


Which translates as CIA. 


 one of many sources:
Foreign assistance authorization: hearings before the Committee on Foreign Relations, United States Senate, Ninety-third Congress, second session...



.. the U.S. Agency for International Development was requesting 815.2 million for continued funding of the GVN's police and prison ... Under the Paris Agreement, the Administration was required to withdraw all advisors to Saigon's police force. ... (Vietnamese police) officers said they and their staffs met frequently with the Saigon station chief of the CIA and his staff . . . Police officials confirmed that in some provinces American 'liaison' men who work with the police remain on the job .

Greg, are you aware of any source documents on the Saigon assignment? I haven't been able to find any.

However, it is true that David Sanchez Morales and David Atlee Phillips and a lot of other JFK personalities ended up in Vietnam (or Laos or Cambodia or close by). Sam Kail is another interesting character along those lines, he's the "ear guy", the guy who was rumored to collect Vietnamese childrens' ears.

The thing is - the CIA had a whole ton of what you'd call "contractors" - people who were officially off the record and had no accountability. This is why the CIA can say things like "we never had any association with David Ferrie" - because he wasn't an actual employee, he was just a contractor. And it occurs to me that all the US-AID personnel were the same way - not official employees, but just contractors.

We'd like to know the actual chain of operational command, and that's one of the things the CIA doesn't seem to want to reveal to us.
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on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:31 am
Tom Scully wrote:I'll share that seemingly so many posting anonymously is a concern.

From Newsbank, U.S. Obits:

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - February 21, 1996
Deceased Name: Rites set for William Ralph Westbrook
Services for William Ralph "Pinky" Westbrook , a retired Dallas Police Department captain, will be at 1:30 p.m. Wednesday at Go Ye Village in Tahlequah, Okla. Mr. Westbrook , 78, died Monday of cancer at his home in Tahlequah. He worked for the Dallas Police Department from 1940 to 1965. He also worked as a special investigator for the Dallas County district attorney's office from 1970 to 1983. His wife, Anna Fern Westbrook , said he liked his job but he did not talk about it to his family. She said Mr. Westbrook wanted to do something that would benefit all the people of Dallas. "He would do just about anything for anybody because he was a very generous person," she said. "He also liked working back in the early days because he said it was not as dangerous as it is today." Mr. Westbrook is also survived by his son, Ralph Westbrook Jr. of Dallas; three grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren

William Ralph Westbrook, Jr. is a participant in the World Series of Poker and recent results indicate he can make a living at it.

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Mom's 2010 obit.:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dallasmorningnews/obituary.aspx?n=anna-westbrook&pid=147163200

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my baseball coach (captain pinkie westbrook) was the arresting officer of lee harvey oswald, at the theatre, in oak cliff and also carried oswalds gun back to headquarters in dallas.

Tom, thank you! I'm adding the Investors Hub link to my database. Baseball coach is a great lead, you never know what might be on the other side of that one. Smile
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on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 10:38 am
You should follow up with bill Kelly on twombly he is the expert on him.

I think one big question is whether hill and Westbrook were part of the anting of evidence or not. I have read Hassan's articles n hill which are quite good . I can't publish this but I gave a source who says that hill grew to not trust Westbrook after 11/22. That could be true or disinformation. I do know that we would learn more from westbrooks contemporaries. Do we know any dallas researchers working on Westbrook?
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on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 7:41 pm
Bill Simpich wrote:You should follow up with bill Kelly on twombly he is the expert on him.  

I think one big question is whether hill and Westbrook were part of the anting of evidence or not.  I have read Hassan's articles n hill which are quite good .  I can't publish this but I gave a source who says that hill grew to not trust Westbrook after 11/22.  That could be true or disinformation.  I do know that we would learn more from westbrooks contemporaries.  Do we know any dallas researchers working on Westbrook?

ROFL! I just read a whole long thing by Bill where he consistently calls Twombly "George". Smile

Ha ha - and I say that with hoof firmly planted in mouth, since I myself have made many much worse mistakes. Seriously, I have the utmost respect for Bill and his writings. I do wish he could post more source links sometimes.

I have to tell you though, this computer system is great! I found a really good one yesterday - there's a whole long section of the Mary Ferrell chronology where Joyce McDonald (no "a") is confused with Betty MacDonald (with an "a"). The computer picked that up in a micro-second, it spit out an Irreconcilable Evidence warning on the very first validation. Ferrell has "Betty MacDonald" as the person who worked at the State Fair and who received the check from Lawrence Meyers. And regarding Betty I also found an oddball assertion of a marriage to a "Dr Miller", which can't possibly be correct because Betty died in jail a year earlier. And on this latter one, it doesn't look like a typo because Joyce hasn't married a "Dr Miller" either (that I'm aware of - I seem to recall there was a "Singer" somewhere in the picture, so I'll have to follow up and nail down that information).

People do get tired, yes? After five or six hours of looking at the sea of names, I get tired too. Smile

Regarding Twombly, we need to know the chain of command, and I don't know if that's something Bill can tell us. The type of thing that Chauncey Holt was involved in would be classified as "Operational Support", and at least on paper (and likely in the actual reporting chain) it wouldn't have had anything to do with JM/, it would gone through a whole different division of the CIA. I've long suspected that Richard Helms is one of the people we should be looking at, and at a high level this would fallen into his basket. The Joannides money came from Helms' budget, right? And support requests would have had to have been approved by someone with the money to pay for them. John McCone told DCI Stansfield Turner that the CIA actions in Chile were the work of Richard Helms, who didn't tell McCone what he was doing. Helms was just "that kind of a guy" - he didn't tell anyone what he was doing. Not even his boss. Hm.
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on Mon 14 Jul 2014, 9:06 pm
Bill Simpich wrote:You should follow up with bill Kelly on twombly he is the expert on him.  

I think one big question is whether hill and Westbrook were part of the anting of evidence or not.  I have read Hassan's articles n hill which are quite good .  I can't publish this but I gave a source who says that hill grew to not trust Westbrook after 11/22.  That could be true or disinformation.  I do know that we would learn more from westbrooks contemporaries.  Do we know any dallas researchers working on Westbrook?


Thank you for your compliment about my articles on Hill, Mr. Simpich. I firmly believe Hill framed Oswald inside the Theater by pretending to remove the revolver (WCE 143) from Oswald's person. Everything Hill had to say should be taken with a truck load of salt.
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on Thu 11 Aug 2016, 3:36 pm
Hey, Brian/nonsqtr. It's been eight months since I asked you about Westbrook and the 488th MID at the Webs ROKC forum. Instead of answering the question, you've run away. What are you afraid of, Mr. n00b?
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on Wed 17 Aug 2016, 3:59 pm
Oh, Brian/nonsqtr/n00b/ballantine. I wouldn't come back here if I were you. If you do, you will be dealt with. 

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on Sun 19 Mar 2017, 10:09 pm
greg parker wrote:Well summarized, Richard. I've been trying to obtain info on Westbrook from outside the usual places. No luck. 

Does anyone know if there was a William, Jr? I did find something on a crooked cop in a different state who had the same name and would be the right age to be a son of...
This supposedly is a photo of Westbrook on page 26 of this book.
The Missing Chapter. by Jack Swike

I am not vouching for the author or his book. It's just something I ran across.

https://books.google.com/books?id=64ji-mF2oaAC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq="William+R.+Westbrook"&source=bl&ots=0xdb2t1bTz&sig=YT8bpNEzyNXWrzg4hG-pY_ooQI0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAu-KAtOLSAhWB6oMKHR-JADY4ChDoAQgmMAQ#v=onepage&q=%22William%20R.%20Westbrook%22&f=false

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on Fri 30 Nov 2018, 3:38 pm
According to Ian Griggs' good article on Westbrook written sometime ago:

p2 When the Warren Commission published its 26 Volumes of Hearings, he even appeared in one of the Oswald arrest photographs! (6)

6 Warren Commission Hearings (26 Volumes), Hill (Gerald) Exhibit A (Photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald being subdued in the Texas Theatre). (20H 156)

(souce: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/D%20Disk/Dallas%20Police/Item%2010.pdf)

Does anyone have access to this photograph? I've included the relevant quote as well as the "6" footnote.
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on Wed 20 Feb 2019, 5:21 am
I don't have page one,once I do I will add.

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Westbrook HSCA interview
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I have a photo of Westbrook standing together with David S Morales and 3 other unidentified individuals while in their Viet Nam assignment. Westbrook is on the far right. Morales is wearing the white shirt with a hat of some type. It is interesting to note how many key players in the JFK assassination were whisked away out of country after it was all over. Westbrook-Morales-Charles Frederick Rogers aka Frenchy. Can't help but to think it was planned like that to keep civilians and press people away from some of the actors involved and out of ear and eyesight of the general public. Like they were hiding them out until things died down. Source for image: https://tangodown63.com/u-s-intelligence-officers/Capt William R Westbrook - Page 2 David_10


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