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Hasan Yusuf's review of Dale Myers/Asperger's Syndrome

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Post by AllenLowe on Mon 31 Mar 2014, 11:06 pm

I want to say I admire the review, but I do want to offer one corrective, however  - he writes:
 
"The murderer of a disorganized crime scene was likely below average intelligence and a high school dropout. If he served in the armed forces he may have been discharged within a few months. He has a menial job and a poor work record. He does not own a car and may be unable to drive, so he rides a bicycle or relies on public transportation. He is a sloppy dresser and a loner of solitary interests such as watching television or reading books. He lives alone or with his parents. He may have a physical handicap or a speech impediment and has a poor self- image" (ibid).
  
In yet another attempt to link Oswald to Tippit's murder, Myers writes that like the above character profile, Oswald was a high school dropout, with an employment history of menial jobs " ... none of which lasted long", who didn't own a car and instead used public transportation "religiously", had a small number of friends and was living alone at the time of the assassination (ibid). He also writes that Oswald took a hardship discharge from the U.S. Marines, had a "voracious appetite for reading", but allegedly suffered from Dyslexia; which Myers believes was the cause of his reading, writing, and spelling problems (ibid). However, much of the above can be accounted for by Asperger's syndrome”
 
   
This is not really accurate and is missing the point about Aspergers syndrome by associating it with “below average intelligence… menial job and a poor work record. a sloppy dresser and a loner of solitary interests such as watching television or reading books. He lives alone or with his parents. He may have a physical handicap or a speech impediment and has a poor self- image.” 
 
 Not of these are really prime or even secondary indicators of Aspergers, which really is more complex (though they may ultimately end up as end-stage social characteristics of the person with Aspergers). But for Oswald, I think we should, more pertinently, look at the complex interaction of learning disability and above-average accomplishment (his learning of Russian, most particularly, and DeMohrenschlldst’ accounts of him in his post-Warrren Commision book “I Am a Patsy” as not only  smart but  ‘the first hippy.’). Oswald’s learning disability – which is common in Asperger’s people – combined with a certain social awkwardness (also characteristic, based on difficulty processing not only information but social cues provided by others) are really more to the Asperger’s point.  I’ve always thought that this was the key to the conspirator’s  decision to use Oswald – a certain contempt for his apparent lack of people skills and an assumption that this meant he was stupid and easy to manipulate – and he was, I think, east to manipulate, and naive about it, based on what we know about how Nagell tried to warn him.

I also, btw, find indications for this in his speech, his slight and apparent impediment, and what appears, at least to me, as a very deliberative self-consciousnee.

Other than that, the truth is that many (though of course far from all) Asperger’s people are high functioning and extremely successful, which is why I think we need to clarify our view of it. Oswald’s was also, by the way, a classically mixed intellect – in the Aspergers world we often describe someone as like ‘Swiss cheese,’ meaning that they are incredibly smart in some areas, and shockingly clueless in other (btw, I will add that my 26-year-old son has Aspergers; given him a complex computer game and he will master it in a day; ask him to add 5 and 5 and he will be at a complete loss).

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Re: Hasan Yusuf's review of Dale Myers/Asperger's Syndrome

Post by greg parker on Tue 01 Apr 2014, 7:36 am

Allen, I cited Tony Attwood in my book, but wrote to him first telling why I wanted to and to make sure he was okay with it.

I don't think he'd mind if I posted his reply. 


Dear Greg,

What a fascinating suggestion regarding lee Harvey Oswald. Other aspects of Asperger’s syndrome to examine are friendships, recognising social conventions and  boundaries and reading body language, as well as sensory sensitivity, special interests and routines and rituals.

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Post by AllenLowe on Tue 01 Apr 2014, 7:49 am

at this vantage point, of course, it's hard to know for certain exactly what was going on with Oswald; though I have always felt very protective of him, strangely enough (or not); they (from the Warren Commission to Gus Russo) have tried to portray him as a flailing idiot, basically taking advantage of that classic American xenophobia; he's different, he's gullible, and over-trusting. All of which are common denominators with a lot of learning disabled people.

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Post by Guest on Tue 01 Apr 2014, 10:37 am

I agree Oswald had many traits that would be useful as an expendable "fanatic". It was possibly done by the book, the CIA Assassination Guide.

"He ( the Assassin) should have an absolute minimum of contact with the rest of the organization and is instructions should be given orally by one person only...It is preferable that the person issuing instructions also conduct any withdrawal or covering actions which may be necessary... In lost assassination, the assassin must be a fanatic of some sort. Politics, religion, and revenge are about the only feasible motives. Since a fanatic is unstable psychologically, he must be handled with extreme care. He must not know the identities of the other members of the organization, for although it is intended that he die in the act, something may go wrong." i


i. The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 4, Document 2: "A Study of Assassination" unsigned, undated, George Washington University, Document 2, p. 3.

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Re: Hasan Yusuf's review of Dale Myers/Asperger's Syndrome

Post by greg parker on Tue 01 Apr 2014, 10:40 am

greg parker wrote:Allen, I cited Tony Attwood in my book, but wrote to him first telling why I wanted to and to make sure he was okay with it.

I don't think he'd mind if I posted his reply. 


Dear Greg,

What a fascinating suggestion regarding lee Harvey Oswald. Other aspects of Asperger’s syndrome to examine are friendships, recognising social conventions and  boundaries and reading body language, as well as sensory sensitivity, special interests and routines and rituals.

Best wishes,

 

Tony
Forgot to mention that Tony is a leading expert on Asperger's.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 02 Apr 2014, 1:43 am

Allen,

I'll try and respond to what you wrote when I am able to think more clearly. There is something else which suggests to me that Oswald had Asperger's, which I don't think has been discussed before, but I'll try to get back to that tomorrow.

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Re: Hasan Yusuf's review of Dale Myers/Asperger's Syndrome

Post by AllenLowe on Wed 02 Apr 2014, 1:49 am

that's fine; I just wanted to clarify a few things about it; bear in mind, as well, that the term represents a very broad spectrum of conditions, from classic autism to some very high-functioning people; I think  everyone knows of someone who is incredibly smart yet shockingly obtuse (particularly socially); that is one particualr characteristic. Of course it is difficult to diagnose a dead man 50 years after the fact; at the least, I've always felt that Oswald was learning disabled, and so held up, both contemporaneously and historically, as a figure of some contempt.

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Post by Mark Valenti on Thu 03 Apr 2014, 6:05 am

I think the Asperger's idea is worth considering, given LHO's isolation, his outbursts, etc. I've also considered the notion that he may have had disassociative identity disorder, commonly known as multiple personalities. Of course this has been floated before, and a quick Google of the idea will lead back to Harvey and Lee types of programming during Lee or "Harvey's" early years.

But beyond that non-starter, those with D.I.D. can have vastly different physical appearances, from one personality to the next. They can carry themselves differently, speak with variable intellectual prowess, and a multiple can even learn to drive a car when another personality can't. FWIW.

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Re: Hasan Yusuf's review of Dale Myers/Asperger's Syndrome

Post by AllenLowe on Thu 03 Apr 2014, 10:35 am

I always love it when people like Bugliosi say that the CIA would never use anyone as 'unstable' as Oswald; when about half of their agents seem to have personality disorders, and the other half are like members of Alpha 66 who would blow up their grandma if she said a good word about Castro.

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Fri 04 Apr 2014, 7:21 am

With apologies for the delay in getting back to you Allen, what I'm gonna do is email Jim Di to add a link in part 2 of my review to what you wrote above. I think that's the best thing for me to do. I will have something else to add to this discussion re Oswald and Asperger's (hopefully) tomorrow.

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