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Post by gerrrycam on Sat 12 Apr 2014, 4:13 pm

I'm curious to know why no one is interested in Boris Pash? A man who lied to Church Senate Committee about his retirement to cover up his knowledge of Oswald

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Post by Albert Rossi on Sun 13 Apr 2014, 2:27 am

I don't know all that much about him, but it is quite possible he was mixed up in this.  What makes it particularly suggestive is that if he was, he was probably working for Angleton.

Scepticism is perhaps called for only from the standpoint that the information about the assassination squad, which I believe comes from Joseph Trento (but as I said, I'm no expert here), may ultimately all trace back to E.H. Hunt (? don't quote me, though).  Which means we are on slippery ground.  Cum grano salis, as they say.

But I would certainly admit that as a possible accomplice he is worth investigating more.

I believe Jim Douglass devotes a few paragraphs to him, no?

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Post by gerrrycam on Sun 13 Apr 2014, 12:25 pm

The secret to White Russian Boris Pash is his last 5 years employment as Civilion Chief of Technological Intelligence for Eastern European and USSR 1958 to June 1963 He used all his skills and assets gained from 18 years of counter-intelligence. planning assassinasions and working with and recruiting war criminals. There was no one better to handle Lee Harvey Oswald
My Rockefeller Scenario would be David talking to John McCloy or Lewis Strauss, “Kennedy has become a big problem you have to get rid of him” John or Lewis reply “I have perfect man, got rid of Stalin, Dag Hammarskjold and pulled off U-2 WITHOUT A HITCH, BORIS PASH” David replied “Good Man if he needs any help he can call on Nelson’s cousin TRACY BARNES.
This was not first collaboration of Barnes and Pash in 1944 there goal was Nazi scientist Heisenberg. Barnes role as head of Clandestine Domestic Operations CIA and Pash role as Military Intelligence for USSR brought them together FOR LHO OVERSIGHT
I posted this athttp://jfkfacts.org/assassination/top-6-jfk-files-the-cia-still-keeps-secret/

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Post by gerrrycam on Sun 13 Apr 2014, 5:39 pm

My Life in My Words Lee Harvey Oswald Diane Holloway, Bob Cheney. letters in which Isaid “I do ... JAN.7 Diary Minsk Arrive in Minsk, met by 2 women Red Cross workers We go to Hotel “Minsk.” I take room, and ... Lee H. Oswald. Lee's diary ...

Boris T. Pash papers, Pash, Boris T., 1900-1995 Atomic bomb. .... 1920 Employed by the American Red Cross, South Russian Unit, Sevastopol and Theodosia

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Post by gerrrycam on Wed 16 Apr 2014, 2:06 pm

I would like to make one comment be for this tread is put into black hole of disinterest. I joined this sight after reading Greg Parkers chapter on Korean war and thought i could get some dialogue going on Pash and his collaborators involved in assassination..But it is very disappointing to see there is no interest.

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 16 Apr 2014, 3:48 pm

Albert Rossi wrote:I believe Jim Douglass devotes a few paragraphs to him, no?
Yes. Here's what Douglass has to say about Pash:
James W. Douglass, (The Unspeakable) wrote:Investigative journalist Joseph Trento testified in a 1984 court deposition that, according to CIA sources, James Angleton was the supervisor of a CIA assassination unit in the 1950s. The "small assassination team" was headed by Army colonel Boris Pash. At the end of World War II, Army Intelligence colonel Pash had rounded up Nazi scientists who could contribute their research skills to the development of U.S. nuclear and chemical weapons. The CIA’s E. Howard Hunt, while imprisoned for the Watergate break-in, told the New York Times that Pash’s CIA assassination unit was designed especially for the killing of suspected double agents. That placed Pash’s terminators under the authority of counterintelligence chief Angleton. Joseph Trento testified that his sources confirmed, "Pash’s assassination unit was assigned to Angleton."

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Post by Frankie Vegas on Wed 16 Apr 2014, 4:00 pm

I have zero knowledge about Pash and would appreciate any info. I hope this thread continues. Thanks.

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Post by Guest on Wed 16 Apr 2014, 4:20 pm

Im sure i read testimony from Hunt regarding Pash as a go to man for assassinations. IIRC Hunt gave the impression that Pash was drawing a wage, without actually offing anyone. I can't remember if his testimony was to the Church committee or the HSCA though.

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Post by gerrrycam on Wed 16 Apr 2014, 6:38 pm

Gerald Campeau
16 hours ago

"Colonel Pash retired from
the Army in 1957 but immediately embarked on a civilian career that
would use his science and technology intelligence background. His
first civilian job was Chief of the Eastern European and USSR Division,
Quartermaster Technological Intelligence Agency. He transferred
to the Armys Foreign Science and Technology Center, retiring
from the civil service in June 1963".
Pash's job from 58 to 63 was counter intelligence for Soviet Block including Cuba.His best intelligence tool was U2 over flights
 Oswald would have been on Pashs radar and it is posable Oswald was a MK-ULTRA  project with out his knowledge

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Post by gerrrycam on Thu 17 Apr 2014, 11:09 pm

Did Oswald meet the profle of MKULTRA Assassin
 Gerald Posner’s “Case Closed” (Random House, 1993), noted that when Oswald was tested by Dr. R. Hartog as a New York City delinquent, “Hartog’s diagnosis [of Oswald] was that of a ‘personality pattern disturbance….and passive-aggressive tendencies,” - just what the Navy psychs were looking for in potential assassins.  Oswald case worker Mrs Siegel said lee had fantasies  about been powerfull,hurting and killing people
 IN Russia  just before Kchrushcheve  was to visit Minsk it had been discovered that Oswald had made a pipe bomb which he discarded once he realised he was under surveillance
 Volkmar Schmidt at party in Dallas sugested to Oswald that Gen Walker was a Nazis and Walker had given a speech to the students at the Mississippi campus and those guys went off and killed a couple of journalists
 Oswalds wife said she locked Lee in bath room so he would not kill Richard Nixon
Robert Oswald testified to WC that lee was Manchurian Candidate

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Thu 17 Apr 2014, 11:53 pm

gerrrycam wrote:Did Oswald meet the profle of MKULTRA Assassin
 Gerald Posner’s “Case Closed” (Random House, 1993), noted that when Oswald was tested by Dr. R. Hartog as a New York City delinquent, “Hartog’s diagnosis [of Oswald] was that of a ‘personality pattern disturbance….and passive-aggressive tendencies,” - just what the Navy psychs were looking for in potential assassins.  Oswald case worker Mrs Siegel said lee had fantasies  about been powerfull,hurting and killing people
 IN Russia  just before Kchrushcheve  was to visit Minsk it had been discovered that Oswald had made a pipe bomb which he discarded once he realised he was under surveillance
 Volkmar Schmidt at party in Dallas sugested to Oswald that Gen Walker was a Nazis and Walker had given a speech to the students at the Mississippi campus and those guys went off and killed a couple of journalists
 Oswalds wife said she locked Lee in bath room so he would not kill Richard Nixon
Robert Oswald testified to WC that lee was Manchurian Candidate

I find a lot of that stuff written about Oswald a little hard to swallow.

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Post by Albert Rossi on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 12:20 am

I think you ought to look at what Greg has just written about Hartog.
The story about Nixon has been pretty much debunked.
I agree with Terlin that most of this stuff is apocryphal and/or highly suspicious/questionable.

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Post by gerrrycam on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 12:55 am

I to agree that it's hard to tell fake from truth but when they do things like giving Rudy a CIA Dr. you half to weigh it
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16455

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Post by Albert Rossi on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 1:01 am

I'm not questioning the Agency presence in this case.  I was merely being skeptical about Oswald's "killer" profile.  He was certainly maneuvered to take the fall, but I just don't buy his having anything to do with the Walker shooting or having fired any weapon on 11/22/63.  Dick Russell has been after the MK/ULTRA connection to Dallas, and there may well be something to it.  But I find it hard to believe Oswald was a Sirhan-Sirhan style Manchurian Candidate.

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Post by gerrrycam on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 11:53 am

I also don't buy OSWALD getting on local bus,making transfers with a 8lb rifle under his coat and returning same way. One more piece of frame up
i'm trying to make the point that Oswald was MKULTRA GUINEA PIG that went wrong

In 1952 Ruby stated that he had a "mental breakdown," and "hibernated" in the Cotton Bowl Hotel in Dallas for 3 or 4 months, declining to see his friends.
MY ? is was Jack Ruby Treated in Veterins hospital. DR  WEST had long career in Texas Military Hospitals


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Post by greg parker on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 12:32 pm

gerrrycam wrote:I to agree that it's hard to tell fake from truth but when they do things like giving Rudy a CIA Dr. you half to weigh it
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16455
Jolyon West was ostensibly brought in after the trial to help determine if further psychiatric testing would benefit either the probate hearings or appeals. 
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=370270
His recommendation was that Ruby was incapable of assisting in his own defense and should immediately be placed into a psychiatric institution. This of course, would have de-railed any re-trial.

Ruby acquired cancer when that gambit to neutralize him failed.


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Post by dwdunn(akaDan) on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 4:00 pm

Albert Rossi wrote:I'm not questioning the Agency presence in this case.  I was merely being skeptical about Oswald's "killer" profile.  He was certainly maneuvered to take the fall, but I just don't buy his having anything to do with the Walker shooting or having fired any weapon on 11/22/63.  Dick Russell has been after the MK/ULTRA connection to Dallas, and there may well be something to it.  But I find it hard to believe Oswald was a Sirhan-Sirhan style Manchurian Candidate.

gerrrycam wrote:I also don't buy OSWALD getting on local bus,making transfers with a 8lb rifle under his coat and returning same way. One more piece of frame up
i'm trying to make the point that Oswald was MKULTRA GUINEA PIG that went wrong

In 1952 Ruby stated that he had a "mental breakdown," and "hibernated" in the Cotton Bowl Hotel in Dallas for 3 or 4 months, declining to see his friends.
MY ? is was Jack Ruby Treated in Veterins hospital. DR  WEST had long career in Texas Military Hospitals
When we were working on research on Robert Kennedy's murder, Larry Hancock and I had a few discussions on the MK/ULTRA - Manchurian Candidate angle. Larry made some points that I agree with as to how the subject gets confused among people. Those being basically that there is a difference between having such a program (as obviously there was) and having success in that program (that is, being able to control people's minds); and yet a further difference between whatever level of success might have occurred and having a large-scale program in operation employing mind-controlled persons.

We both came down pretty strongly on the side of Sirhan being deceitful, manipulative, a willing accessory. For my part this is usually due to my reading of statements made by Sirhan regarding things like lack of memory about key points; what I see as probably a straight-up lie is seen by others as evidence of programming, memory-wipe, etc. I've also done some but not much looking into the whole issue of hypnosis and came away with the general conclusion that it seems most effective when the subject agrees with the objective (wants to quit smoking, lose weight, be more assertive, whatever; or is an extrovert who wants to "play for the audience" in stage hypnotist acts). So in other words, I long ago gave up even considering arguing with anyone on the subject, as there seems a general consensus in "the community" that not only were these depraved experiments successful in getting people's minds controlled but that there's been a virtual army of programmed zomboids running about under the direction of the CIA for decades.

But I did want to comment regarding gerrrycam's bolded point that it once occurred to me that Oswald could've been part of the "fake defector" program that went wrong; for instance, that he was rejected as a candidate and then went off on his own. It never made much sense that Oswald would not have been protected and otherwise taken care of had he been part of the Official fake defector program, or gotten such a "bad name" among "true patriots" (as a Commie Sympathizer, etc). It may only be that he -- and others similar -- were not "high status" recruits for the official program (and so got cast off to fend for themselves after use instead of becoming astronauts and US Senators, like John Glenn); but today it seems much clearer that he was being handled throughout (as in an Angleton vest pocket operation). I guess that would point to an Unofficial fake defector program.

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Post by greg parker on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 4:51 pm

Dan makes some points that are pretty close to the mark, imo.

To get to the bottom of the trip to Russia, you need to scout uncharted terrain by looking at what actually was happening in the fore and background at the time. There is more to it than a fake defector program. 

What were the main news stories of the period?
What tensions were there between US and USSR that were accentuated during this period?
What CIA operations were in play against Russia?
What efforts to thaw the Cold War were in play at that time?
Why couldn't Oswald wait a few lousy weeks for his time in the Marines to be up before leaving to the USSR?
Who do we know that may have been working on programs affecting some of the above and how does that person link to Oswald?

To get the full picture, you have to be able to answer and incorporate all those points.

Yes, I'm sorry -- a cheap plug for volume 2  What the? 
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On MKultra - the money shot from Dan is this: it seems most effective when the subject agrees with the objective. 


The very first principle of advertizing (and MKULTRA is just an extreme version of advertizing techniques mixed with a few other bits and pieces) is to convince someone they really really need that gadget that peels your potatoes, cures your hangover, cleans of that embarrassing stain from your collar, and scales your fish.
You can't live without the damn thing!


We concentrate on the wrong end. The real MKULTRA is convincing someone that e.g RFK must die! Getting them to "do" it is the easy part after that. You can learn it from any cult manual. And when I say "do" it, I mean actually fire the weapon. Since however, you're unlikely to be a crack shot, or in any way shape or form, know which part of the body to hit (if you can hit any part at all), there WILL be another shooter doing the real job. You're just there to take the fall. The MO with Juan Roa Sierra and Sirhan Sirhan. Can Sirhan remember? Is he faking not remembering? I don't know. I do know that regardless of what he remembers, he was indeed, a patsy. And there were elements of what may loosely be described as "MKultra" used. 

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 8:04 pm

Greg, Nice plug for volume two... but shameless!

When is it due out?

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Post by greg parker on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 8:14 pm

Was aiming for the 50th anniversary of the WCR being handed down. But then, I had also been aiming for the 50th anniversary for the first volume!

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 9:49 pm

Thanks!
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Post by greg parker on Fri 18 Apr 2014, 9:58 pm

terlin wrote:Thanks!
If you need any help proof-reading or such, I am available.
Thanks! Appreciate it.

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Don Richardson
 
Date and Place of Birth: 1917 Sears, Michigan
Died: 1996 Bay Pines VA Hospital, Florida
Baseball Experience: College
Military Service: 45th Infantry Division Div Arty, Field Operations Intelligence, Forward Observer;  5th Army CIC;  Special Services
Area Served: European, Mediterranean and Pacific Theater of Operations
 

Donald W "Doc" Richardson played baseball with his brother Dean "Boney" Richardson and the Bowersox boys in Sears, Michigan.  Dean was drafted as a left-handed pitcher by the Cleveland Indians - the brothers played for Evart High School and sandlot ball at Strawberry Lake. 
Graduating from high school in 1935, Don was cutting stencils in a loft full of ladies in Flint, Michigan - Fisher Body - when Moe Berg came recruiting (see entry).  Dad played for the Texas Land and Oil Company (probably the nickname of an Army Special Services team) after "a little light infantry training at Camp Meade." 
The team played in Central and South America, Tokyo, and Yokohama.  The catchers platooned (Morris Berg played on Army bases, Win Scott on Navy Bases).  Mo took Bell & Howell 8mm footage of Tokyo Bay from the fourth floor roof of a hospital while Win and Don played.  These films were later used for the Doolitle raid.  Don went on to work as a clerk/typist for the Company in Madrid, Spain for Colonel William McFadden.  Don could play baseball but couldn't type.  After tapping the Wehrmacht cable in Madrid and compiling tactics of German 88mm artillery, Stukas, and Panzers he spent two weeks having toenails pulled by the Gestapo.  Donald Richardson was exchanged for a single prisoner in December, 1938.
 

Volunteering for the Army in 1940, Don went to Fort Knox, OCS, Fort Sill, Artillery School, Fort Benning, Ranger training, and then Panama. The Special Observer Group had trained at Quantico, Virginia in 1941, Don came ashore ("It was hard to catch up to Patton in plain clothes.") from the HMS Seraph with Generals Mark Clark and Lyman Lemnitzer.  The generals almost drowned in the surf returning to the sub in rubber rafts.
Don was General Eisenhower's "eyes and ears" in OSS.  He made amphibious assaults in Sicily, Salerno and Anzio with the 45th Infantry in support of the 36th. 
After returning to Fort Meade from Anzio with German prisoners, Don is seen at Yalta, Teheran, Cairo, and latter Potsdam.


 
 

 


 
After Colonel Boris Pash, Morris Berg, Donald Richardson and 23 counterintelligence agents captured Werner Heisenberg and Otto Hahn and 136 pounds of weapons grade uranium at the Berlin Post Office, the atomic scientists were sent to London on a DC-4 (similar to the plane above which transported the President to Casablanca, Yalta, Teheran).  Don came back on a B-29 to Wendover Air Base in Utah with the uranium.  He then joined the composite bomb group as a security officer flying out of Batista Air Base in Cuba to Howard Field in Panama.  They "practiced dropping pumpkins" before Don came with the second bomb to Tinian.  He flew with General Sweeney over Hiroshima as an instrument plane, then Nagasaki in Bock's Car.
 
In fall, 1945, his mother met him at the train station, saying, "it's been decided, you'll go to Michigan State."  Joining Sigma Xi and the Spartan baseball team, Donald Richardson played college ball at first base with Robin Roberts, a left-handed pitcher, and Jack Breslin, probably at short or second base.  He married Phyllis Jean Rowe, married, moved to Wayne State University, completing his law degree.
 
Don served in Korea, 1951-1952 and when Ike was elected in 1952, he reported to Lemnitzer, Dulles, Nixon at the Executive Bldg.  Don trained the amphibious force for the Bay of Pigs in Louisiana and ran an airbase in Guatemala with B-26's that transited Davis-Montham in Tucson painted "Mid Mountain Air", swapping the markings for those of the Cuban Air Force on arrival in Nicaragua/Guatemala.
 
With civilian jobs as lobbyist, Michigan State Tuberculosis Association, Highway Department, Abrams Aircraft, and others he retired from Army Reserve in 1973 when the backup catcher, Win Scott shot himself in the sternum with "his own 45" as Mexico City Station Chief.
 
The old Scottish-American first baseman said before he died, "it would have been better to die in battle with my men."  On his Veterans' home wall were letters from General John Shalikashvili, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Bosnia) and General Sweeney, thanking him for his service.
 
Special thanks to John Richardson, MD, for this biography of his father.
 
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Post by Albert Rossi on Sat 19 Apr 2014, 12:15 am

Dan & Greg, interesting discussion here. As for the trip to Russia ... we await your volume, Greg!

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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sat 19 Apr 2014, 2:13 am

"Was aiming for the 50th anniversary of the WCR being handed down. But then, I had also been aiming for the 50th anniversary for the first volume!"

I only hope that it comes out by the 9th of November  Very Happy 

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