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Post by greg parker on Fri 20 Jun 2014, 10:17 pm

I mentioned in another thread how some of Oswald's seemed to coincide with other events of some note.

Here are examples:
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March 1961: JFK orders PO and Customs to cease withholding foreign mail deemed to be Communist propaganda.

August 10, 1962: Lee and Marina move to 2703 Mercades St, Fort Worth.

October, 1962: Marina moves in with Elana Hall. Lee moves to YMCA in Dallas.

October 9, 1962: Lee rents PO box.

October 10, 1962: Lee fills out change of mail address form giving new PO box as address.

October 12, 1962: Lee starts work at JCS.

November 4, 1962: Oswalds move to Elspeth St, Dallas

January 7, 1963: New law takes affect requiring PO to hold foreign Communist propaganda for 20 days while addressee completes and returns form confirming they want the material forwarded to them.

January ? 1963: Oswald subscribes to 3 Russian publications. (CE 1117)

January, 1963: Publications posted to Oswald, triggering PO action per new law.

January, 1963: PO inspector visits last known address for Oswald in relation to Russian newspapers. Last known address by PO would be Mercades.

January, 1963: PO Form 2153-X is left in Lee's PO box for him to complete and return advising whether or not he wishes to receive the Russian publications. Oswald completes and returns form, adding "I protest this intimidation".

April, 1963: Corliss Lamont launches legal action challenging the new law.

1965: The law is found by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional and is repealed.

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What I want to draw attention to is the timing of Oswald buying the subscriptions - at exactly the time a law was introduced which would guarantee his name would be listed as a potential subversive. 

The law, btw, was an amendment to the Postal Rate bill. If it can be discovered who introduced said amendment, I think those running Oswald may well be found among friends and supporters of this Congressman. 

It is not the only instance where timing of Oswald mail coincides with actions of others.

His ordering of weapons via mail coincides with the Dodd subcommittee investigation of that very thing. Moreover, the choice of weapons and companies from which to purchase said weapons coincides with the very weapons and companies of interest to that subcommittee.

Then on May 26, he writes the FPCC requesting a charter and follows that up with a series of letters and actions which link the FPCC to the CPUSA and SWP, and "expose" his past as a "defector".

The timing coincidence here is that on May 16 and May 20, the FBI received information from informants that the FPCC had cleansed itself of CP and SWP influence. Oswald's actions then, can be seen as an attempt to reestablish the SWP-CP-FPCC ménage à trois, if only through a paper trail.

We have already seen how his truancy as a kid coincided with subcommittee work on "delinquency" (including truancy) and how his attendance in NY public schools coincided with 3 investigations into communist subversion in the NY school system.

LHOCW will spell out all the coincidence surrounding his trip to Russia, his time in Minsk and the timing of his commencing efforts to return. There are other types of coincidences that will also be looked at...

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Fri 20 Jun 2014, 11:01 pm

greg parker wrote:I mentioned in another thread how some of Oswald's seemed to coincide with other events of some note.
...

LHOCW will spell out all the coincidence surrounding his trip to Russia, his time in Minsk and the timing of his commencing efforts to return. There are other types of coincidences that will also be looked at...

Breath still baited...

It might be interesting to look at other things happening at the same time. If the CIA was always expecting two (or more) results from any action, what are the secondary (and tertiary) effects of these actions?

I mean, if there are any such. Just wondering.

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Post by Terry W. Martin on Sat 21 Jun 2014, 1:26 am

Timing may be serendipity or contrived.

November 1963 was an interesting month:
02NV63 - South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem, 62, assassinated following a military coup.
03NV63 - Frederick Barghoorn arrested on espionage charges, placed in Lubyanka - 1949-51 he headed a Federal project interviewing 200 Soviet defectors (Barghoorn died 20NV91, a later November)
06NV63 - Laura Welch (later Bush) - killed a fellow student in driving accident, Midland, Texas
14NV63 - JFK's last press conference dealt with Barghoorn's arrest and detainment
18NV63 - Barghoorn released from Lubyanka
20NV63 - death of Nikolay Baransky, russian economic geographer
21NV63 - death of Robert Stroud, the Birdman of Alcatraz
22NV63 - death of JFK, Aldous Huxley, C. S. Lewis
23NV63 - first episode of Doctor Who aired
24NV63 - death of Lee Harvey Oswald

Interesting trio that died 22 November. Quite the serendipitous moment.

A mystic in California - attached to the Self Realization Fellowship, I believe - told me that serendipidity works only if you are open to it. He said to pose a question that vexes you, then walk through a crowd, like that at a cocktail or dinner party, and the snippets of conversation will reveal the answer to your question.

That was rather far out stuff. But others claim that the answers are all around us anyway, merely waiting for us to be receptive to them. Both Buddha and Jesus said the same.

Astrology has been used for decades to reveal patterns in cyclical events. Gurdjieff, Wilber, and Richard Tarnas agree, the latter explained the scientific foundations for such in Cosmos and Psyche.

Or course the timing you are discussing is more causitive in nature, directed events by human agents (like the CIA), but one should not discount serendipity occurring as well. Patterns reveal more about what is going on than those human actions we can see.

The answers are all around us and wait only for the searcher to reach the state of awareness to understand that eureka moment. The answers were always there, waiting for the connections to be made.

Still, there can be quite a divide between the "Eureka" and the "evidence".

Whoa... what a load of psychobabble!

I really should have a second cup of coffee before I write these things, huh?

I mean, where was I going with all that?

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Re: Timing

Post by Guest on Sat 21 Jun 2014, 1:42 am

Nothing beats Oswald's timing of his gig at the TSBD with the motorcade.

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Re: Timing

Post by greg parker on Sat 21 Jun 2014, 9:34 pm

Paul Klein wrote:Nothing beats Oswald's timing of his gig at the TSBD with the motorcade.
Well, that was the final one in a lifelong series of them.

The first one was being placed in a Lutheran Orphanage in NO and his step-father-to-be having worked in Lutheran Orphanages in NY. 

Or maybe the first one was his father dying so that could happen. 

For no particular reason except that I have it, here is his father's first wife and mother-in-law. 


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Post by greg parker on Sat 21 Jun 2014, 10:03 pm

terlin wrote:Timing may be serendipity or contrived.

November 1963 was an interesting month:
02NV63 - South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem, 62, assassinated following a military coup.
03NV63 - Frederick Barghoorn arrested on espionage charges, placed in Lubyanka - 1949-51 he headed a Federal project interviewing 200 Soviet defectors (Barghoorn died 20NV91, a later November)
06NV63 - Laura Welch (later Bush) - killed a fellow student in driving accident, Midland, Texas
14NV63 - JFK's last press conference dealt with Barghoorn's arrest and detainment
18NV63 - Barghoorn released from Lubyanka
20NV63 - death of Nikolay Baransky, russian economic geographer
21NV63 - death of Robert Stroud, the Birdman of Alcatraz
22NV63 - death of JFK, Aldous Huxley, C. S. Lewis
23NV63 - first episode of Doctor Who aired
24NV63 - death of Lee Harvey Oswald

Interesting trio that died 22 November. Quite the serendipitous moment.

A mystic in California - attached to the Self Realization Fellowship, I believe - told me that serendipidity works only if you are open to it. He said to pose a question that vexes you, then walk through a crowd, like that at a cocktail or dinner party, and the snippets of conversation will reveal the answer to your question.

That was rather far out stuff. But others claim that the answers are all around us anyway, merely waiting for us to be receptive to them. Both Buddha and Jesus said the same.

Astrology has been used for decades to reveal patterns in cyclical events. Gurdjieff, Wilber, and Richard Tarnas agree, the latter explained the scientific foundations for such in Cosmos and Psyche.

Or course the timing you are discussing is more causitive in nature, directed events by human agents (like the CIA), but one should not discount serendipity occurring as well. Patterns reveal more about what is going on than those human actions we can see.

The answers are all around us and wait only for the searcher to reach the state of awareness to understand that eureka moment. The answers were always there, waiting for the connections to be made.

Still, there can be quite a divide between the "Eureka" and the "evidence".

Whoa... what a load of psychobabble!

I really should have a second cup of coffee before I write these things, huh?

I mean, where was I going with all that?
Terry,

there are plenty of signposts pointing to those into metaphysics, alternative religions and the occult in all of these cases. And in each case, it has to be addressed (in some instances more than others). The problem is having a serious look at these issues without looking as kooky as some of the proponents.

The Oxnard Call is a classic example. The whole story has been so misrepresented that it's almost as tough getting the facts out as it was with the 2nd floor lunch encounter.

Among the falsehoods told about this story: 

she was talking to someone and warning them that JFK would be assassinated

she was hysterical

she was crazy

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But here are the facts

she was not connected to anyone

she was calm

she was reciting a series of phrases over and over in a whisper

when interrupted by the operator for any assistance, she spoke in a normal voice and stated she didn't need help, that she was using the phone and then resumed her rhythmic whispers

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Controversy also surrounds her prediction. She predicted JFK would be killed at 12:10 and when that time passed without incident, she immediately amended it to 12:30 and got it 100% right the second time... thereafter, her voice trailed off and the call ended.

Do I believe she was psychic? No. The only explanation (apart from what I consider the ludicrous proposition that she was a crazy person who got lucky with a wild guess - the actual LN position) is that she was in radio contact with someone in Dallas. The operators claimed that the phone sounded as if it had been put down while she was talking/chanting. In short, she was hands-free, so it is possible she was operating a radio, as well. As for what she was doing with the phone - what was described by the operators is some type of remote "magic" used by various occult groups to affect a remote event. In short, I believe that she believed she was ensuring the success of the hit. 

On the issue of genuine coincidence vs contrivance, all I can say is, I believe I can accurately pick which is which with varying degrees of confidence.

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