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the Mary Bledsoe report, and Eva Grant's son

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Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 3:30 am

All right, well, this one deserves a thread of its own. I was trying to track down "Eva Grant's son" from the other thread.

And guess what I ran into?


Details of Offense Mrs. Bledsoe, owner of rooming house, reported a scuffle going on in one of her rooms, one she just rented earlier in the week to a w/m O.H. Lee. After the arrest one of the suspects below Mrs. Bledsoe identified one of the men as her roomer, Mr. Lee. His name was actually Alek Hidel. When confronted with his identification cards and mail addressed to him, Mrs. Bledsoe said she was not sure if he was the roomer or not. When brought into police headquarters, the complainant again changed her story concerning how the fight began and so all suspects were released pending further investigation.

Damage Done (Breakage?) to bed, chairs, TV set Suspects Name -Address J.R. Rubenstein 1203 1/2 Commerce Alek Hidel 621 N. Marsalis

Date of Occurrence: 10-11-63 Time of Day 11:30 PM Date Reported: 10-11-63 Time Reported 11:40 PM Typed: 12:20 AM



Here's the more interesting part though: the report (which may be a fabrication - see below) identifies one HH Grant as a witness. This person would allegedly be about the right age, a Dallas resident, etc. 32 years old at the time, apparently.

However Jack White apparently spent some time on this issue and couldn't find a son named HH, and elsewhere Eva Grant's son is listed as one Ronald Dennis Magid. (So, I'm thinking, there's "more than one" son).

Eva is certainly no saint. Seems like an extraordinarily cagey woman.

Perry also concludes the report is a fabrication, for the following reason:



Jack White reveals in his report (Item 11) that Officers J.C. White and B.W. Hargis responded to the Bledsoe incident. Since they both testified before the Warren Commission he wants to know "Why didn't they tell of the fight?" In the same paragraph "Researchers Armstrong and White speculate . . . that friendly policemen may have put down the slightly altered versions as a favor to Ruby." Later Jack White concludes "It seems to be a document that has been deliberately suppressed by the Dallas police and certainly knowledge of the Ruby/Oswald altercation was known by at least the two arresting officers, yet they kept quiet about it."

Warren Commission volume 19 between pages 132 and 134 (Batchelor exhibit 5002) describes both Hargis and White's assignments while on DPD duty. B. Hargis worked the traffic division assigned to solo motorcycle and special enforcement. Hargis worked the 7AM to 3PM shift and his superior was Sgt. R. Smart. White worked 4PM until midnight in the accident prevention division. He reported to Sgt. B.F. Rodgers. When I spoke to Bobby Hargis on the evening of March 20, 1994 he was confused. He told me he knew Jack Ruby before the assassination and could recognize him on sight. "If I was ever called to anything involving Jack, I would certainly be able to identify him." Hargis stated he never worked with J.C. White and didn't remember him. Additionally, he was never, ever assigned to anything but a motorcycle division. "No, I wouldn't respond to anything in a squad car." was his answer.




Mary Bledsoe did kick LHO out of the rooming house on the 12th, which would have been the day after this incident allegedly occurred. The most common story we hear about that, is that she kicked him out because he was "speaking in a foreign language on the telephone", and "keeping odd hours".

Here's a link: http://dperry1943.com/ctkastory.html

Now, I'm trying to track down Eva Grant's son(s), if any - so all this is kinda peripheral to the search. My question is: why would someone forge a report like this? What is this, disinformation? Misinformation? What's your take, what is this, a deliberate plant to throw people off the trail? Or just some kid with too much time on his hands?

My real question is, does anyone know who Eva Grant's real children are, and what their real names are? I seem to be a victim of misinformation and disinformation at this point...

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Re: the Mary Bledsoe report, and Eva Grant's son

Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 5:21 am

All right, I think I've pinpointed the source of the problem.

The phone call from Eva to CJ Hirsch actually occurred at 12:49 pm on the 23rd, just after noon.

That's why the computer was kicking it out - in one of my source timelines it had been erroneously listed as 00:49 (quarter to one in the morning).

I'm starting to think there's a lot more to Eva than meets the eye.

Smells like she's running interference for her brother.

Other brother Hyman says "Jack was never in trouble with the law", when in fact he was first arrested for truancy at age 11, and then arrested 8 times in Dallas prior to the assassination. Eva says of the mob figures, "they used to come into Jack's club and you had to be nice to them", .... um....

I'm keeping my eyes open for the New York connection. Something important went on in New York, something was being organized from there. There are several reports of Ruby waiting anxiously for information from New York. (As an aside on this point, Joseph Civello was at the Appalachin meeting, where Carlo Gambino was installed as the "head" of the families... I figure, if the families had anything to do with this then Gamino had to at least approve it).

Anyway, I still can't find anything on Eva's kids. Anyone know what the family tree looks like on this one?

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Re: the Mary Bledsoe report, and Eva Grant's son

Post by greg parker on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 5:47 am

Brian, the report of the fight is, as you seem to realize, a fraud.

As for Eva --- you may be onto something suggesting she ran interference. It may be telling also that she preceded Jack into Dallas.

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Re: the Mary Bledsoe report, and Eva Grant's son

Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 12:19 pm

greg parker wrote:Brian, the report of the fight is, as you seem to realize, a fraud.

As for Eva --- you may be onto something suggesting she ran interference. It may be telling also that she preceded Jack into Dallas.

Yes - Eva ran a nightclub that was by many accounts even more raucous than the Carousel. And, one which the girls (strippers) seemed to prefer - rumor is they even went there after hours.

And, there seems to be "enough" evidence of hooking (among other things) going on out of the Carousel club - but these very same girls were hanging out at the Vegas. Maybe Eva was doing double duty as a part-time madam?

And keeping a somewhat lower profile than Jack - this piece is pretty good: [url=http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/R Disk/Ruby Jack Associates/Item 05.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/R%20Disk/Ruby%20Jack%20Associates/Item%2005.pdf[/url]

(Tessie Aline Axenfield - do we agree that's a typo and it should read 1960?)

The interesting thing is, a couple of paragraphs farther down - where it talks about Eva Grant and the Vegas Club. It specifically singles out Eva (not Jack) as having been associated with the Capone gang - something about the sale of illegal sugar stamps. And the part that leaps out at me is right after that - "leading to the conviction of a man named Jones". That sounds like something worth checking into.

James Robert Todd. Fascinating, eh? A safecracker? It's not every day you hear about freelance safecrackers, right? Smile

Well, the more interesting piece to me, is the piece about the ID. They're going to Ruby for ID - to turn a 17-year-old into a 21-year-old.

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Re: the Mary Bledsoe report, and Eva Grant's son

Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 12:25 pm

Eureka!

Eva Grant had a son named Ronnie.

Bingo.

Here it is: "draftsman in the Los Angeles area".

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI Records Files/44-24016/44-24016 Volume 11/44-24016-11b.pdf]http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/44-24016/44-24016%20Volume%2011/44-24016-11b.pdf 

(not sure why these links aren't coming out right)


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Re: the Mary Bledsoe report, and Eva Grant's son

Post by greg parker on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 12:42 pm

For some reason, the only way to get pdf links to work is to paste in as "plain text only".

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Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 12:51 pm

Better and better. Ralph Paul's testimony contains a very brief snippet on brother Sam. Vol 14 p145 has Paul admitting he was business partners with Sam Ruby for 3 or 4 months. Then there's this interesting exchange:

Mr. Hubert: You never met any of the other brothers and sisters?
Mr. Paul: Yes; Sam and his wife, and Eva and Earl, that's all.
Mr. Hubert: And then Hyman?
Mr. Paul: Yes.
Mr. Hubert: Sam, of course, you have seen more often than any of them?
Mr. Paul: Oh yes; Sam - well, we were partners for about 3 or 4 months.
Mr. Hubert: Yes; but you had no other business relations after that.
Mr. Paul: No.

So far I can't find a picture of Sam Ruby.

Story I'm hearing is he owned a couple of Laundromats in Dallas.

Does anyone have a picture of Sam?

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Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 12:53 pm

greg parker wrote:For some reason, the only way to get pdf links to work is to paste in as "plain text only".

'Kay, thanks. Let's try a regular link - this is good: http://www.jfk-assassination.de/warren/wch/vol14/page503.php

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Post by greg parker on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 1:06 pm

nonsqtr wrote:Better and better. Ralph Paul's testimony contains a very brief snippet on brother Sam. Vol 14 p145 has Paul admitting he was business partners with Sam Ruby for 3 or 4 months. Then there's this interesting exchange:

Mr. Hubert: You never met any of the other brothers and sisters?
Mr. Paul: Yes; Sam and his wife, and Eva and Earl, that's all.
Mr. Hubert: And then Hyman?
Mr. Paul: Yes.
Mr. Hubert: Sam, of course, you have seen more often than any of them?
Mr. Paul: Oh yes; Sam - well, we were partners for about 3 or 4 months.
Mr. Hubert: Yes; but you had no other business relations after that.
Mr. Paul: No.

So far I can't find a picture of Sam Ruby.

Story I'm hearing is he owned a couple of Laundromats in Dallas.

Does anyone have a picture of Sam?
Almost a dead-ringer
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U1541410/jack-rubys-siblings-attending-funeral

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Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 4:22 pm

Ha ha - here's another gem:

Joe Campisi says: "The receipts from Ruby's (Carousel) club would easily total over 2,000 dollars in any one week".

Oops.

"See Ruby tax returns". Smile

Ruby's business peaked in 1959, when he did just under a thousand a week gross.

He was losing money - every year since 1959. He only made 5000 dollars in all of 1962.

Now... anytime anyone associated in any way with the mob starts losing money, they call it "skimming" and maybe they bring in someone from the outside to poke around. (Chauncey Holt tells an interesting story about doing something like that - being the accountant sent in to figure out what was happening to the rest of the money).

And, it looks like I was right about Eva. She might be in this thing up to her eyebrows. Apparently she was recruiting others to run illegal sugar stamps from Chicago to Dallas in the 50's, and that sounds like "classic mob". She's an instigator, an organizer, a prominent no-nonsense personality. Whereas Jack... y'know... runs a little gambling on the side. Oh - and Eva has an "aunt" she admires who runs a house of prostitution in Chicago. And she knows people in Dallas, too... maybe almost as many people as Jack does. Except most of 'em seem to be "dark" in some way, underworld types and like that.

Sam, the other brother, has a Military intelligence background - which he completely trivializes in his testimony. I posted the link to the pic of him at age 70-ish, and even then he looks a lot like Jack. I'd like to see his pic when he was Jack's age, back in '63. Earl looks different, squarer set of jaw, somewhat larger face. I don't think he could be mistaken for Jack (although anything seems possible in this mess).

So now - on the 19th we have three women who say they saw two men in the lot right next to the TSBD - one of whom matches closely the description of Jack Ruby (and in fact the women say it "looks exactly like" Jack). The two men are handling a rifle with a telescopic sight. The larger stouter man gives the smaller thinner man the rifle, he puts it in the trunk, they get in the car and drive away. Three women corroborate this, they all say the same thing, they saw the same thing.

And then we also have the "mock target practice" which took place at the fence right on top of the grassy knoll, which was seen by cops but by the time they got there the men had gone.

So, we'd probably like to know Jack Ruby's whereabouts around those events. I personally don't think he instigated a conspiracy, if anything he had a very minor role. An "important", but minor, role. He seems like kind of a sad desperate character.  There's logic in his behavior though. For instance - let's say my nose is good, and what happened is Jack Ruby got paid, and spent some of the money right away, and then someone told him "the job isn't done yet". He says "I can't do anything about it", and the voice on the other end of the phone says "then give back the money". And now Jack's in real trouble - because he can't. So maybe his choice was between a nice peaceful death in jail, and a very violent death at the hands of some mafia enforcer whose job was to show everyone how mean the mob could be, and how much they meant business.

I don't know, I'm just a n00b. But that bit about Eva was pretty revealing. If Jack is only half the man Eva is, then he has to be in pretty deep. I'm thinking, that if the mob was already suspecting Jack of skimming, then the perception of trying to take more money from them would have been disastrous. It should be very easy to understand the fear level around that one, right? (And the Preludin wouldn't help, a sudden burst of fear-based adrenaline would be more than enough to get someone sick to their stomach).

And this of context, would put Jack's AGVA issues in their proper perspective, yes? You can imagine his anger at the people he feels are treating him unfairly - on the one hand they're suggesting he's skimming, and on the other hand they're making it impossible for him to hire any amateurs, and therefore impossible to make any decent money. So, he "escalates", like any good businessman would do - he calls higher and higher up the food chain, eventually getting to some of the second lieutenants of people like Hoffa. Who happens to own a half interest in the Cabana Motel.

It looks to me that if there was a conspiracy, it was vast, and Jack Ruby was just a bit player. He just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and had some really bad luck. That's my expert opinion as a n00b. Yuk. Smile

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Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 4:30 pm

greg parker wrote:
nonsqtr wrote:Better and better. Ralph Paul's testimony contains a very brief snippet on brother Sam. Vol 14 p145 has Paul admitting he was business partners with Sam Ruby for 3 or 4 months. Then there's this interesting exchange:

Mr. Hubert: You never met any of the other brothers and sisters?
Mr. Paul: Yes; Sam and his wife, and Eva and Earl, that's all.
Mr. Hubert: And then Hyman?
Mr. Paul: Yes.
Mr. Hubert: Sam, of course, you have seen more often than any of them?
Mr. Paul: Oh yes; Sam - well, we were partners for about 3 or 4 months.
Mr. Hubert: Yes; but you had no other business relations after that.
Mr. Paul: No.

So far I can't find a picture of Sam Ruby.

Story I'm hearing is he owned a couple of Laundromats in Dallas.

Does anyone have a picture of Sam?
Almost a dead-ringer
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U1541410/jack-rubys-siblings-attending-funeral

Wow, awesome! Thanks Greg. That's a great shot too. Yes, definitely looks like Jack, kind of the same build.

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Post by Guest on Wed 16 Jul 2014, 8:14 pm

Ruby's phone records triggered an investigation of his call on a July day in 1963 to Joe "the Wop" Cataldo at a Gloversville, NY tel. number.:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13357&p=183807

Some background on Cataldo.:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=125372&relPageId=3

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=128493&relPageId=4

When the FBI questioned Cataldo he claimed Ruby was asking him for leads on entertainers for the Carousel Club.

Cataldo was married to Albert Anastasia's niece and his brother was also connected with the Anastasias. Gloversville is a town of 15,000 in upstate, NY. It "produced" George Senator, Edgar Hoover's host each winter in Miami, J. Myer Schine, Schine's son and best friend of Roy Cohn, G. David Schine, and G. David's sister, married to Henry Crown's son, Lester.

The work I've down moves me to strongly suspect the Crown and Schine empires were a mob money laundry. The names in this chart indicate the Crown's swallowed the Schine's, two of the lawyers have obits extolling their long relationships with Crown. Spy magazine did a 1991 article on this subject.:

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_fl/814252

Atty Byron S. Miller: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=byron+miller+henry+crown

Loop Lawyer Benjamin Z. Gould - Chicago Tribune
articles.chicagotribune.com › ... › Henry Crown
Chicago Tribune
May 16, 1986 - Mr. Gould had served as secretary, general counsel and director of Henry Crown & Co.; Universal Exchange Corp.; Century-Am Corp.; CHF


Chicago lawyer, Crown family adviser Gerald Ratner dies ...
www.chicagobusiness.com › ... › Law
Crain's Chicago Business
Jun 20, 2014 - Lawyer Gerald Ratner dies at 100; Crown family adviser, U of C donor ... Lester Crown, chairman of Henry Crown & Co., told Crain's in August 2013. ... Mr. Ratner partnered with U of C law school classmate Benjamin Gould to ...

Spy - Jun 1991 - Page 17

books.google.com/books?id=RX5DAD9yV7IC
Magazine - ‎Full view
Other voices, other Letters George Rush's report on G. David Schine's path from Somebody to Nobody to Wanna-be ["The Red-Baiter and the Billionaire," March] was fascinating. However, it was just too short, and America wants to know more.

G David Schine was GM at the Ambassador Hotel in L.A. in early
June, 1968 and it was one of the few Schine family assets the Crown's did not liquidate.

In November, 1963, Joe Cataldo was fronting for the actual owners of the Camelot Club in midtown, NYC. An investigator for the NYC D.A.'s office tailed William Morris talent agent George Wood as he arrived at Idewild airport on a flight from France and was picked up by two FBI agents who transported Wood through or around customs.


http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17286&p=218699

http://www.google.co...nG=Search Books
The Agency: William Morris and the Hidden History of Show Business - Page 239

Frank Rose - 1996 - 532 pages - Preview
... Joe Cataldo, AKA Joe the Wop, owner of the Camelot Supper Club, wiseguy hangout at Forty-ninth and Third; ... Meanwhile, Nicholson started a background check on George Wood. A visit to St. Malachy's netted the info that Jimmy Alo .

http://www.google.co...dde7568afd2b943
Miami Herald, The : VINCENT ALO, PARTNER OF MEYER LANSKY

$2.95 - Miami Herald - Mar 13, 2001
VincentJimmy Blue Eyes Alo once the righthand man of South Florida's most ... of Miamibased Scopitone Inc Miami Beach lawyer Alvin Malnik held exclusive US

http://www.google.co...dde7568afd2b943
Ruby Bail Ruling Off Until Jan. 10 as Lawyers Spar; Ruby...

$3.95 - New York Times - Dec 24, 1963
George Senator, Ruby's 50-yearold roommate; Miss Berinett, who had asked Ruby to wire her a $25 ... Mr. Senator, a native of Gloversville, NY, said that he; ...





http://www.google.co...dde7568afd2b943
GD Shine Plans to Keep Post

$3.95 - New York Times - Jul 23, 1965
i G. David Schine, president of the Ambassador Hotel in LosI Angeles, ... J, Meyer Schine, but that "present management will continue to direct the hotel s ...

http://www.google.co...ded8f20a6bb9442
I'll see you in court

Godfrey Isaac - 1979 - 262 pages - Snippet view
The tapes he played included an interview he had had with a man named Thane Eugene Cesar. Cesar had been a part-time security guard, hired to be at the Ambassador Hotel on the night of June 4, 1968, to help protect the person of Senator

http://www.google.co...e541dc7eaf46b78
Bobby and J. Edgar: the historic face-off between the Kennedys and ...

Burton Hersh - 2007 - 612 pages - Snippet view
Before long, Hoover and the unavoidable Tolson were basking in Meyer's generosity at the Gulfstream Apartments on Miami Beach and the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. As the Kefauver Committee discovered, part of Schine's cash flow ...

NYC D.A.'s investigator Nicholson tailed George Wood and his FBI escorts and observed Wood entering Cataldo's club later in the day. Nicholson waited but Wood never came out. Wood had come out in an amublance and died a few days later in the hospital. Nicholson reported that Wood had been severely beaten in the Camelot Club but was reported to have died from a heart ailment. Withtin months, Al Malnik owned the exclusive U.S.. marketing rights of the French invention, Scopitone, that Wood had owned when he died. This "investment" made Malnik a millionaire at age 31. Scopitone was leveraged into a stock pyramid scam and Malnik's mentor, Jimmy "blue eyes" Alo was prosecuted for that crime and did a couple of years in prison.

The man the WC (Warren and Rankin) "assigned" to investigate any connection between Ruby and Oswald and organized crime was an excellent choice, IMO.:


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Pearson_%28journalist%29#Integrity_of_Warren_Commission_Investigation_of_Lee_Harvey_Oswald
.....Tom Clark withdrew Ragen's FBI protection for lack of federal jurisdiction to prosecute the suspects Ragen named. Almost immediately, Ragen was seriously wounded by gunfire. Several suspects were arrested, but no one was prosecuted due to the disappearance of some witnesses and the lack of cooperation of others. Ragen's condition was improving after the shooting, but he died suddenly in the hospital of mercury poisoning.
Pearson hinted in his syndicated column in October 1963 that Clark had told him that the FBI confirmed Ragen's accusations of Chicago mob control by leading businessmen and politicians. This was confirmed in the posthumous publication, 11 years later, of Drew Pearson's Diaries, 1949–1959;[46] Tom Clark had told Pearson that Ragen stated that Henry Crown, the Hilton Hotels chain, and Walter Annenberg controlled the mob.[46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53][54]
Despite the disturbing information about Henry Crown, et al., Drew Pearson claimed was provided to him by Clark in 1946, Justice Tom Clark appointed Crown's son, John, as one of two of his 1956 Supreme Court session law clerks.[55]
In December 1963, Chief Justice Earl Warren, acting as head of the newly formed Presidential Commission investigating the death of President Kennedy, suggested that Henry Crown's attorney, Albert E. Jenner, Jr., who also, at that time employed Crown's son, John at Jenner's Chicago law firm, be appointed as a senior assistant Warren Commission counsel. Warren gave his fellow commissioners the names of two men who approved of Jenner's appointment, Tom C Clark and Dean Acheson.[56]
The appointment of Jenner to investigate[57] whether either Oswald or Ruby acted alone or conspired with others remains
  controversial.[58][59]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_E._Jenner,_Jr.#Controversy
[size=35][b][b]“[/b][/b][/size]THE ORDEAL OF LESTER CROWN - The New York Times
New York Times - Dec 7, 1986 "Meanwhile, seven officers and employees of Material Service were padding their expense accounts -at the direction of Crown, according to the Government report - and reimbursing their boss. The project was cut short when Material Service was subpoenaed by a Federal grand jury investigating corruption in the industry. The family turned to Albert E. Jenner Jr., a lawyer and longtime friend who is on the board of General Dynamics. Whenever the kids got into trouble, Jenner says, they never bothered the old man. They talked to me, and I got them out of trouble. In return for his cooperation with the grand jury, Lester Crown was granted immunity from prosecution."[3]
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Jenner's most prominent client was Henry Crown, and U.S. Supreme Court Justice and former U.S. Attorney General, Tom C. Clark and Dean Acheson were the two men Earl Warren named as supporting the selection of Jenner as a Senior Assistant Investigative Counsel of the Warren Commission investigation.[4] Jenner was appointed and performed the "Area III" assignment, "Lee Harvey Oswald's Background."[5]
The appointment of Jenner to investigate whether Oswald, and by extension, also Oswald's murderer, Jack Ruby, acted alone or conspired with others remains controversial.[6][7]





Henry Crown and his close friend, Sam Nanini, were reported in March 1977 to have had relationships with organized crime.[25][26]
As Attorney General, Tom Clark was accused of impropriety in the early parole of convicted Chicago crime boss, Louis Campagna and three others.[27] Sam Nanini wrote a letter in 1947 to the federal bureau of prisons advocating parole for Campagna. [28][29]






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The wikiipedia minder who removed my revision of the Earl Warren shrine arrived two hours after I posted this and removed all of it. Here is an excerpt. The minders are nice enough to leave the revisions I shared from my wikipedia edits of the Pearson and Jenner bio artiticles. The minder who deleted all of this had recently complained in the talk section of the wikipedia bio of JFK that there was not enough lurid, poorly supported sex gossip in the JFK bio.


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..... eleven years later, of Drew Pearson's Diaries, 1949–1959 edited by Tyler Abell.[46]; Tom Clark had told Pearson that Ragen stated that Henry Crown, the Hilton Hotels chain, and Walter Annenberg controlled the mob.[47][48][46][49][50][51][52][53][54]
Earl Warren and his family were close friends of Henry Crown's investment partner, Conrad Hilton, and Warren's daughter, Virginia was formerly involved in a close relationship with Conrad Hilton.[55][56][57][58] The year following the publication of the Warren Report, Earl Warren selected[59] as his Supreme Court law clerk, the son of Paul Ziffren,[60]former California state Democratic party chairman, forced to resign after allegations of Ziffren's organized crime connections were leveled by Earl Warren's friend,[61] Senator William F. Knowland.[62][63][64][65]
"One of the things that was embarrassing and got national coverage was the Reader's Digest article of July, 1960. It was written by Lester Velie and is called, "Paul Ziffren, The Democrats' Man of Mystery." (The author sets forth a very detailed account of "Ziffren 's connections with the underworld and gambling figures of the period,") "[66]
Despite the disturbing information about Henry Crown, et al., Drew Pearson claimed was provided to him by Clark in 1946, Justice Tom Clark appointed Crown's son, John, as one of two of his 1956 Supreme Court session law clerks.[67] In December 1963, Chief Justice Earl Warren, acting as head of the newly formed Presidential Commission investigating the death of President Kennedy, suggested that Henry Crown's attorney, Albert E. Jenner, Jr., who also, at that time employed Crown's son, John at Jenner's Chicago law firm, be appointed as a senior assistant Warren Commission counsel. Warren gave his fellow commissioners the names of two men who approved of Jenner's appointment, Tom C Clark and Dean Acheson. [68]
The appointment of Albert Jenner to investigate[69] whether either Oswald or Ruby acted alone or conspired with others remains controversial.[70][71] In 1953, Albert E. Jenner, Jr. had represented Michael Frank Darling when he was investigated by the House Committee on Education and Labor.[72]Darling was business manager of IBEW union Chicago local 1031, the first and largest union organization to contract insurance coverage with Allen Dorfman and his father, Paul, an associate of Jack Ruby. [73][74][75]

Here is that impartial wiki censor, in his own words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_F._Kennedy/Archive_5#Family_Life
As an encyclopedia this article fails badly. EVERY serious biographer and scholar has dealt with the topic as a major factor in understanding JFK--it is being covered up here simply for POV reasons. Rjensen (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
"Covered up?" This isn't Watergate. But I leave it to others to further comment and I stand by my points made as to how these subject matters should be handled as far as consideration to all who are featured herein (see examples I name above).Kierzek (talk) 20:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Peter Janney has not shown the slightest interest in commenting or writing about his uncle Frank Pace's transfer of control of General Dynamics, when Pace was Chairman of Gen. Dyn., to the control of Henry Crown. Crown promptly hired the close friend of Sidney Korshak and errand boy for Gus Alex to assist him in managing his new financial empire.:


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A Many-Faceted and Affectionate Portrait of Chicago Irv Kupcinet. gone big-game hunting on ... Yielding to Crown's persuasion, Hoy began a new career at the age of forty-six, and made a success of it from the start. Another Chicago sandman ..

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...The offer came from Frank Pace, then Secretary of the Army, former Budget Bureau Director, and later the young president of General Dynamics. He had never heard of me, but he was married to Wistar Janney's sister, and one night at the Janneys' he mentioned he was
 
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Frank Pace Jr. Joins Time Inc. Directors
‎Hartford Courant - Apr 25, 1960
Frank Pace Jr., chairman ot the board and chief executive officer ot General Dynamics ... A joint announcement from Time Inc. Editor-in-Chief Henry R. Luce and. ......
 
Evidence Implies Order Expected by Dynamics
‎Hartford Courant - Nov 21, 1963
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senate probers produced evidence Wednesday that a top executive of the General Dynamics Corp., claimed "reasonably strong indications" far in advance that the firm would win the huge, disputed TFX warplane... tract. Frank Pace, who has since resigned, was named as the . Deputy Secretary of Defense Roswell L. Gilpatric, testifying before the Senate Investigations subcommittee, swor he had no idea where Pace could have received such information.
Former Legal Adviser
Gilpatric is a former legal adviser to General Dynamics whose role in the TFX contract negotiations is under senatorial fire. He described Pacej as his close friend. Earlier in the day. Chairman John L. McClellan. D-Ark., told Gilpatric that he should have disqualified himself from having anything to do with the contract award, to avoid any possible allegations of conflict of in-i terest. I The subcommittee is investi-. gation whether favoritism' steered the contract to General Dynamics last December. Gilpatric and others in the Defense Department's civilian command overruled military I evaluations that a rival design and bid by the Boeing Co. of Seattle promised a better, cheaper version. Costly Project
The Pentagon estimates the TFX project will cost between $5 billion and $7.5 billion. This would make it the largest in Pentagon history .
I The subcommittee produced a! document dated "July 1961" in! which Pace, top official of Gen-; eral Dynamics' Fort Worth, \ Tex., division, told its top management: "There are reasonably strong indications that Fort Worth's proposed -: ration offers the only approach] that can satisfy both Air Force and Navy requirements" for (or the TFX. ! McClellan said this was "a, month and seven days" before the Pentagon had even complet-1 ed a statement of design re-! " Where," he demanded, "was the source of these reasonably strong indications?
 
New York Times - Nov 19, 1963
...The session brought out that ,Mr. Gilpatric was influential in j Continued on Page 17, Column 3 GILPATRIC S ROLE ON TFX QUERIED Continued From Page 1, Col. 2 bringing the General Dynamics account to his law firm, that Maurice Moore, senior partner of the firm, was named to the General Dynamics board of directors one month after the TFX contract was awarded to the company. -Gilpatric's former law firm was named counsel for General Dynamics at the same time. -Gilpatric acknowledged that he spent about onefourth of his time as a lawyer during 2i4 years in the late 1950's handling General Dynamics matters, and GD paid his firm $111000 in legal fees during this same period....."
 
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Luce Aides: 'No Drastic Changes'; 3 He Picked to Run Empire...
‎New York Times - Mar 6, 1967
Luce last Monday, the day before he died in Phoenix, Ariz. ... Paul G. Hoffman, Samuel Meek, Maurice T. Moore and Frank Pace Jr. ' Mr. Luce, who was also on ....

I wondered how Pace and Gilpatric got security clearances for Crown and Hoy to own and manage so much of one of the top three defense contractors during the cold war....oh...that's right...I forgot, Pace had been secretary of the army in the Eisenhower Admin and Gilpatric grew up with John D. III and Nelson and Laurence in Northeast Harbor, Maine. McCloy's mother was only their hairdresser during those Maine summers.

Forgive me for this outburst. Money talked, Ruby walked....down the ramp into the DPD basement...

"They" never left a man behind, if he was still breathing.:


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[size=undefined]B[/size]orn in Chicago in 1906, Elmer Gertz enjoyed a law career that spanned over seven decades. Growing up in the big city, a "famous son" of Maxwell Street, Gertz dealt with nearly every aspect of his profession including corporate cases and murders, the most notable being Jack Ruby and Nathan Leopold. He is best known for his long career as a defender of civil liberties.

Elmer Gertz gained fame when he won parole for Nathan Leopold, who was convicted of slaying fourteen-year-old Bobby Franks.
........His years at the University of Chicago Law School helped shape the philosophy that ultimately led to his preference for taking up unpopular cases and protecting the underdog. After graduating, one of his first jobs was with the law firm of Jacob Arvey, where he worked for fourteen years.

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Wow, superb Tom! Thank you. Smile

You're way ahead of me. But yeah, I'm thinking along these same lines. The defense industry is a big one, and the sugar industry is another big one (which cover liquor, soda pop, even chocolate and such - and y'know... here I am reading about Eva last night and her involvement with "sugar stamps" - yuk Smile ).

One character I'd like to check into is Robert Mahue. He's on the record saying all kinds of bizarre stuff about the Kennedys. And Hughes owned "more than one" of those offshore islands (Cays or whatever) that housed training camps on and off (and served as launch points for periodic attacks, it seems).

Yeah, that's a big one if you start lookin' at things this way... it's the stuff of nightmares. But I mean, if this is the reality then it helps explain why I wake up every morning and there seems to be a ten dollar bill missing from my wallet. I can't account for it... it's just the "vig" I guess, y'know... the cost of staying alive. Smile

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