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Post by Guest on Sun 20 Jul 2014, 4:22 pm

Here's what Loran Hall told the FBI on Sept 16 1964:

"In September 1963 he was in Dallas, soliciting aid in connection with anti-Castro activities. He said he had visited Mrs Odio. He was accompanied by Laurence (sic) Howard, a Mexican-American from East Los Angeles, and one William Seymour from Arizona. He stated that Seymour is similar in appearance to Lee Harvey Oswald; he speaks only a few words of Spanish, as Mrs Odio had testified one of the men who visited her did."

That's from p.324 of the Warren Report.

The story of that visit, as told by Mrs Odio, is fascinating.

"One of the stories that greatly concerned the Warren Commission was that of Silvia Odio of Dallas, who said that in late September she had been visited by three men, one of whom was introduced as "Leon" Oswald. The three had been looking for her help regarding a letter soliticing funds for JURE, a Cuban exile organization (Mrs. Odio's father was a prominent political prisoner in Cuba, and thus her name was worth something). The visitors represented themselves as "working in the underground," and Oswald's companions used the "war names" Leopoldo and Angelo (or Angel).

The day following the visit Leopoldo phoned Mrs. Odio and discussed Oswald, saying that he was an excellent shot and that Oswald had said that President Kennedy should have been assassinated after the Bay of Pigs. When Kennedy was murdered in Dallas two months later, Silvia fainted upon hearing the news and recognizing Oswald. Her account of what had happened soon reached the FBI and later the Warren Commission. The story was corroborated by her sister Annie, who had briefly seen the visitors. "

This from the Mary Ferrell web site. https://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/The_Odio_Incident

Hall, Seymour, and Howard were all associated with an outfit called INTERPEN, which was Gerald Hemming's group, and it did mainly contract work for the CIA and whoever else would pay - and it was mostly overseas (although some it was domestic). When the CIA money got a little leaner (when the Kennedy's scaled back on the anti-Castro raids and began enforcing against the private gun-runners and private raids), INTERPEN turned to some of the more extreme elements to raise money, right-wing types mostly - and even in the past Hemming and Hall and others had had associations with the likes of Gen Walker and so on. "Whoever would pay", though - at some point it was all about the money. Had to be. There wasn't enough to go around, and most of the good stuff was coming from the private side.

Lawrence Howard died in 1998. Gerald Patrick Hemming passed away a few years later. Seymour... is an enigma. Is this Lee Harvey Oswald's impersonator?



Or one of 'em, anyway?

The Warren Commission never got to the bottom of this, and neither did the FBI or the HSCA or any other investigative body. This whole story stinks to high heaven, doesn't it? Wouldn't this have been a perfect and appropriate use of the subpoena power?

Two questions: IF let's say, this is the person who was mostly responsible for all the oddball "LHO" sightings, then how far back did it go? Is this the same person who wanted to buy jeeps for Cuba and all that? The maniac who test-drove the car? The one who was in possession of the fake Oswald ID at the time J Edgar Hoover became aware of its use, way back in '61? "While" LHO was in Russia?

Second question: How do we evaluate this? Was Silvia Odio lying? To protect someone, maybe? Mrs Odio told someone after the fact that she knew Oswald and had met him - was she talking about "this" incident, or another? What was it specifically that caused Silvia Odio to faint when she heard the news about JFK? Was it the picture of Oswald, or was it the mention of his name?

Both Mrs Odio and Mr Hall subsequently changed their stories. How do we evaluate that?

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Guest on Sun 20 Jul 2014, 6:12 pm

Brian,

Just a friendly shout out to you.

I speak for myself here, but I believe Stan was diplomatically alluding to the same issue earlier in the week.  

Many forums have rules set out to discourage members from flooding the board with multiple threads.  There are a few reasons for this.  The first is because it can, and does, put people off the forum who arrive here after clicking on the site from a listing in an Internet search.  Many people (even members) do not look beyond the first page of threads on a forum.  For non-members the first page of threads IS the forum.  It represents whether the forum is any good.  If new eyeballs visit here and see multiple threads (with very few replies) on the first page they will automatically assume the forum is not very good (rightly or wrongly). The other reason is it can annoy the other members who see their own threads disappear from the front page prematurely.

The threads that you have started over the last few days would be construed as 'flooding' the board on most Internet forums.

I don't know what Greg's thoughts are on the matter but I thought I'd come out and say what I believe is on the mind of some of the other members here.

I'm going to be bluntly honest with you.  Your recent multiple threads put me off replying.  Here's why; 

1.  Each thread contains dozens of questions that swamp my brain
2.  Each question you have asked has answers either on this forum or on other JFK related forums
3.  I am the case study for a male who cannot multi-task

I hope you take my comments in the spirit of honesty.  I simply do not personally have the time or resources to look into all of the questions that you have posed and many of them I have already written about on other threads (here and the Education Forum).  I have my own research to concentrate on, along with a full time job, international travel, plus a wife and two kids.  My time is limited.

There may be other members here who can help you concerning some of the questions you have but my gut instinct tells me that your exuberance and high octane method of posting multiple threads has probably swamped them too.

My advice would be to focus on one set of questions on one thread and you may begin to receive some valuable information but as it stands I wouldn't even know where to begin concerning your questions because I was still formulating a response to the specific one you asked me yesterday concerning Larry Crafard "working" at The Carousel Club.  In the meantime you have posted dozens more on several more threads.  I wish I had the time to even contemplate some of your questions.

I think an adjustment is needed.  I don't want to put your off posting -- not in the slightest -- I just want your threads to be received positively so you can get some valuable information.  As it stands I guarantee you probably won't.

Regards

Lee

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Hasan Yusuf on Sun 20 Jul 2014, 9:13 pm

I think Lee has made several excellent points.

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 3:21 am

All right, so, I'm all ears.

What should I be doing here?

"Reducing scope"? Trying to deal with very specific very small issues, one at a time?

I'm not sure exactly what I'm hearing from y'all. I get that my questions are "too much too quick", and y'all I'm sure are way ahead of me on all this stuff (like I keep saying, "I'm a n00b").

But, I'm not trying to flood the board or anything, and I'll certainly scale back if that's what you want me to do.

How can I say this though... isn't this what boards are for? I mean, sharing information, exchanging ideas, all that? I hope I'm not y'know... "hammering on a stupid model" or anything like that. I'm here to ask questions, not to be an arrogant no-it-all. And in the process of doing that.... I mean, how am I going to ask questions unless I can ask questions? Smile

Part of what I'm hearing is something along the lines of a "been-there-done-that" thing, am I right? It seems like maybe you don't want to cover territory that's already been covered, or something like that? And if that's the case, all I ask is a nice little link or something, and that'll keep me busy reading so I'll be able to shut up and stop asking stupid questions.

And also, I'm new TO THIS FORUM, and I just chose it out of the blue because it seemed like a nice place filled with nice people - so like, maybe there's something going on here that I don't know about, maybe you guys are on a collective research track already, and the stuff I'm asking you is "not on your path" at the moment (for instance, I've noticed the "new leads" link and all that) - and if THIS is happening, it's something I'm currently unaware of, and maybe you could make me aware of it so I can be more respectful of it.

I'm not here to be a pest folks, I'm here to learn. If I'm being a pest by asking too many questions, I can just shut up and read some more.

Part of why I'm posting at "this" time is I need some help with the timeline thing, and I'd like to get people engaged. But once again, I can do all that work myself if no one's interested - some of these high level sweeping questions are coming directly from me looking at timelines. I'd like to share that stuff with you, I think it's valuable. I don't know if you do or not - but see the thing is, if I want to do a timeline on Odio, I'm going to need some help! Exactly for the reason(s) you're suggesting - because I'm a n00b and right at the moment I'm where ALL n00bs probably are when they start out, which is sifting through the world of high level models (including all the way-out bizarre stuff), trying to make sense of it all.

All right well, that's "my" context, and now please if you wouldn't mind taking another moment, please explain this to me in a little more detail, I'm all ears. And, I'll cooperate, in every way I can! I'd just like to understand where the ... um... negative perceptions are coming from. Thanks. Smile

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Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 3:29 am

Colonel Von Hello wrote:Brian,

1.  Each thread contains dozens of questions that swamp my brain
2.  Each question you have asked has answers either on this forum or on other JFK related forums
3.  I am the case study for a male who cannot multi-task

I think an adjustment is needed.  I don't want to put your off posting -- not in the slightest -- I just want your threads to be received positively so you can get some valuable information.  As it stands I guarantee you probably won't.

Regards

Lee

This, specifically.

Point number 2, especially.

Point # 2 is why I'm here.

WHILE I'm asking these apparently idiotic questions, I'm doing research. For instance, at the point when I posted the OP above, I had already surfed through the first 20 pages of Google links, so I "thought" I already had read most of the "answers on the forums", and none of them seemed satisfactory.

Also, if y'all have done research on this issue BEFORE, and you already have a collection of LINKS to all this wonderful data you're alluding to, how about sharing them with me? Please? That will CERTAINLY make me shut up and go away for a while, 'cause it'll give me stuff to enter into my database! Smile

As near as I can figure, point #1 is about "scope", it seems to be suggesting that I should only ask "one" question instead of "dozens".

Seriously folks, I'd like to understand, I'd like to remain on your good side and not be a pest!

(After all, I'm going to need your help, big-time! Now and in the future. I don't want to alienate anyone). Smile

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Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 3:38 am

Oh - so maybe I've found an example of what you're talking about.

In the Carlin thread I posted, I smelled narcotics, and then AFTERWARDS I found a link (from Greg, actually - small world!) from way back in 2006 that covered all that stuff pretty well.

But see, I didn't know about that, I had to dig for it. It was buried on page 19 of my Google search, and at the moment that's right about at the end where I stop (I figure if it ain't in the first 20 pages then I'll catch it in the next round) - so like, yeah, the information is out there, but dang man, if I have to do this every single time I need information on "any issue", I'm gonna be old and gray before getting to end of this (or any place useful in the middle).

This is precisely why I started the database. It's "model-based", right? It's not just a re-hash of the WC evidence. I need to get the models in there, that's SPECIFICALLY the purpose of it. The Carlin narcotics thing, that's a "model", it's a theory. It's perfectly suited for my database! The system will make mincemeat out of that particular issue once I get the darn thing running, and I mean, I "just" replaced two thirds of the AI stuff last night, it's actually working now so "this is the time" when we might considering stuff like "Carlin narcotics" and "William Seymour incidents" and stuff like that. I'm ready, that's why I'm asking all these broad and seemingly disconnected questions.

Let me rephrase this question: How should I proceed? What should I be doing at this point? (You already know what I'm doing, I'm entering data into a database, so like... how am I gonna do this?)

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Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 3:50 am

Hasan Yusuf wrote:I think Lee has made several excellent points.

Hi Hasan - I think so too!

I'd like to be a value-add, not a pest.

Amplified: when I come to this forum I would like to add value. At the moment I have "nothing to offer" probably, because I'm a n00b. At this particular moment in time I'm more of a taker and less of a giver. I'm sucking time and knowledge from y'all, and I depend on your graciousness 'cause you're doing it for free.

I'm trying to give back, the best way I know how is through the computer stuff. Right now, in addition to being a pest asking n00b questions and "flooding the board" with them, I'm actually showing you that my system works. Yesterday it kicked out this thing about the Carlin narcotics, I did a little research on it, and then "afterwards" I found a post from Greg that confirmed both my research and the system's initial suggestion. I'm not pulling this stuff out my butt, each and every single one of my questions is coming directly out of the timeline work. In some cases it's just me lookin' at it, and in other cases it's already the computer kicking out specific ideas.

But as a n00b coming to the board with an "exciting new discovery", I really have NO IDEA whether you guys have been all over it already. So, I apologize. I don't know what to do, so I'll follow your guidance and what I'd really like is to find a nice mutually agreeable equilibrium where we can help each other. Y'know, you can be very efficient about it: "Brian - been there done that, here's the link: xyz". And then maybe a couple weeks later I can come back with "Hasan - found something new - here's the timeline: xyz". And, I want to put that timeline into an INSTANTLY USABLE form, so when you look at it, even for the very first time, you're going to be able to instantly see the whole story right in front of you.

I'm not there yet, and I need your help. This is somewhat difficult and frustrating...

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 4:00 am

nonsqtr wrote:All right, so, I'm all ears.

What should I be doing here?

"Reducing scope"? Trying to deal with very specific very small issues, one at a time?

I'm not sure exactly what I'm hearing from y'all. I get that my questions are "too much too quick", and y'all I'm sure are way ahead of me on all this stuff (like I keep saying, "I'm a n00b").

But, I'm not trying to flood the board or anything, and I'll certainly scale back if that's what you want me to do.

How can I say this though... isn't this what boards are for? I mean, sharing information, exchanging ideas, all that? I hope I'm not y'know... "hammering on a stupid model" or anything like that. I'm here to ask questions, not to be an arrogant no-it-all. And in the process of doing that.... I mean, how am I going to ask questions unless I can ask questions? Smile

Part of what I'm hearing is something along the lines of a "been-there-done-that" thing, am I right? It seems like maybe you don't want to cover territory that's already been covered, or something like that? And if that's the case, all I ask is a nice little link or something, and that'll keep me busy reading so I'll be able to shut up and stop asking stupid questions.

And also, I'm new TO THIS FORUM, and I just chose it out of the blue because it seemed like a nice place filled with nice people - so like, maybe there's something going on here that I don't know about, maybe you guys are on a collective research track already, and the stuff I'm asking you is "not on your path" at the moment (for instance, I've noticed the "new leads" link and all that) - and if THIS is happening, it's something I'm currently unaware of, and maybe you could make me aware of it so I can be more respectful of it.

I'm not here to be a pest folks, I'm here to learn. If I'm being a pest by asking too many questions, I can just shut up and read some more.

Part of why I'm posting at "this" time is I need some help with the timeline thing, and I'd like to get people engaged. But once again, I can do all that work myself if no one's interested - some of these high level sweeping questions are coming directly from me looking at timelines. I'd like to share that stuff with you, I think it's valuable. I don't know if you do or not - but see the thing is, if I want to do a timeline on Odio, I'm going to need some help! Exactly for the reason(s) you're suggesting - because I'm a n00b and right at the moment I'm where ALL n00bs probably are when they start out, which is sifting through the world of high level models (including all the way-out bizarre stuff), trying to make sense of it all.

All right well, that's "my" context, and now please if you wouldn't mind taking another moment, please explain this to me in a little more detail, I'm all ears. And, I'll cooperate, in every way I can! I'd just like to understand where the ... um... negative perceptions are coming from. Thanks. Smile
You're not a pest, bro. Far from it. I think the suggestion is too much overload. More than the forum is use to. Enthusiasm is a good thing to have around in any forum discussion and you bring plenty of it, Brian. I think what Lee is saying (and I hope he corrects me if I am wrong) is that this forum works better at a more sedate pace and I tend to agree with that. Its pretty cruisy here but you'd be surprised of how much gets done. But not all your questions you may have can be answered so easily or readily. A few questions at a time creates a better structure for the forum. Most can cope with that.
You're not a pest Brian and your questions are not idiotic and I am sure we don't want you to shut up. I for one enjoy having you around. There is something excitable about you that is contagious.

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 4:16 am

Paul Klein wrote:
nonsqtr wrote:All right, so, I'm all ears.

What should I be doing here?

"Reducing scope"? Trying to deal with very specific very small issues, one at a time?

I'm not sure exactly what I'm hearing from y'all. I get that my questions are "too much too quick", and y'all I'm sure are way ahead of me on all this stuff (like I keep saying, "I'm a n00b").

But, I'm not trying to flood the board or anything, and I'll certainly scale back if that's what you want me to do.

How can I say this though... isn't this what boards are for? I mean, sharing information, exchanging ideas, all that? I hope I'm not y'know... "hammering on a stupid model" or anything like that. I'm here to ask questions, not to be an arrogant no-it-all. And in the process of doing that.... I mean, how am I going to ask questions unless I can ask questions? Smile

Part of what I'm hearing is something along the lines of a "been-there-done-that" thing, am I right? It seems like maybe you don't want to cover territory that's already been covered, or something like that? And if that's the case, all I ask is a nice little link or something, and that'll keep me busy reading so I'll be able to shut up and stop asking stupid questions.

And also, I'm new TO THIS FORUM, and I just chose it out of the blue because it seemed like a nice place filled with nice people - so like, maybe there's something going on here that I don't know about, maybe you guys are on a collective research track already, and the stuff I'm asking you is "not on your path" at the moment (for instance, I've noticed the "new leads" link and all that) - and if THIS is happening, it's something I'm currently unaware of, and maybe you could make me aware of it so I can be more respectful of it.

I'm not here to be a pest folks, I'm here to learn. If I'm being a pest by asking too many questions, I can just shut up and read some more.

Part of why I'm posting at "this" time is I need some help with the timeline thing, and I'd like to get people engaged. But once again, I can do all that work myself if no one's interested - some of these high level sweeping questions are coming directly from me looking at timelines. I'd like to share that stuff with you, I think it's valuable. I don't know if you do or not - but see the thing is, if I want to do a timeline on Odio, I'm going to need some help! Exactly for the reason(s) you're suggesting - because I'm a n00b and right at the moment I'm where ALL n00bs probably are when they start out, which is sifting through the world of high level models (including all the way-out bizarre stuff), trying to make sense of it all.

All right well, that's "my" context, and now please if you wouldn't mind taking another moment, please explain this to me in a little more detail, I'm all ears. And, I'll cooperate, in every way I can! I'd just like to understand where the ... um... negative perceptions are coming from. Thanks. Smile
You're not a pest, bro. Far from it. I think the suggestion is too much overload. More than the forum is use to. Enthusiasm is a good thing to have around in any forum discussion and you bring plenty of it, Brian. I think what Lee is saying (and I hope he corrects me if I am wrong) is that this forum works better at a more sedate pace and I tend to agree with that. Its pretty cruisy here but you'd be surprised of how much gets done. But not all your questions you may have can be answered so easily or readily. A few questions at a time creates a better structure for the forum. Most can cope with that.
You're not a pest Brian and your questions are not idiotic and I am sure we don't want you to shut up. I for one enjoy having you around. There is something excitable about you that is contagious.

Okay, understood. Thank you Paul.

So, how about this - this thread was about the Silvia Odio visit, so how about I just shut up and SHOW you what I'm going to do with this.

You can check the state of the data "right now" on the system, about this particular visit - like, you can check the Person records for Silvia Odio and William Seymour and so on - they're in a pretty miserable state. The information is just.... not there yet.

So, I'm going to build it out. Check it today, and then I'll come back in seven days and show you what I did with it. I'm going to use this exact event here, the Odio visit, to show you what the system can do. First, I'm going to build it out in terms of a data structure - I'll go end to end from the ground up, starting with the evidence (beginning with the testimony and all the non-testimonial evidence I can find), and linking it all the way through the Persons and the Events.

Somewhere in the middle of this effort, maybe in three days or so, I'll have timelines for Odio, Seymour, Hall, and the event itself (including all its related events like Loran Hall offering testimony on Sept 16 and Sept 20 1964, who the testimony went to, what it was about, etc etc).

So then, at THAT point, I'll post the links and maybe you could take a look at them and see if what you see THEN is reasonably comprehensive in terms of what you already know.

THEN it'll take me another three or four days to put together the next piece, which is to show you how after "we're" done with entering all the best information we know about, the system can take it from there and take us to the next level.

Then I'll post another link. So that's two posts in seven days.

How's that? Smile

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 4:36 am

nonsqtr wrote:
Paul Klein wrote:
nonsqtr wrote:All right, so, I'm all ears.

What should I be doing here?

"Reducing scope"? Trying to deal with very specific very small issues, one at a time?

I'm not sure exactly what I'm hearing from y'all. I get that my questions are "too much too quick", and y'all I'm sure are way ahead of me on all this stuff (like I keep saying, "I'm a n00b").

But, I'm not trying to flood the board or anything, and I'll certainly scale back if that's what you want me to do.

How can I say this though... isn't this what boards are for? I mean, sharing information, exchanging ideas, all that? I hope I'm not y'know... "hammering on a stupid model" or anything like that. I'm here to ask questions, not to be an arrogant no-it-all. And in the process of doing that.... I mean, how am I going to ask questions unless I can ask questions? Smile

Part of what I'm hearing is something along the lines of a "been-there-done-that" thing, am I right? It seems like maybe you don't want to cover territory that's already been covered, or something like that? And if that's the case, all I ask is a nice little link or something, and that'll keep me busy reading so I'll be able to shut up and stop asking stupid questions.

And also, I'm new TO THIS FORUM, and I just chose it out of the blue because it seemed like a nice place filled with nice people - so like, maybe there's something going on here that I don't know about, maybe you guys are on a collective research track already, and the stuff I'm asking you is "not on your path" at the moment (for instance, I've noticed the "new leads" link and all that) - and if THIS is happening, it's something I'm currently unaware of, and maybe you could make me aware of it so I can be more respectful of it.

I'm not here to be a pest folks, I'm here to learn. If I'm being a pest by asking too many questions, I can just shut up and read some more.

Part of why I'm posting at "this" time is I need some help with the timeline thing, and I'd like to get people engaged. But once again, I can do all that work myself if no one's interested - some of these high level sweeping questions are coming directly from me looking at timelines. I'd like to share that stuff with you, I think it's valuable. I don't know if you do or not - but see the thing is, if I want to do a timeline on Odio, I'm going to need some help! Exactly for the reason(s) you're suggesting - because I'm a n00b and right at the moment I'm where ALL n00bs probably are when they start out, which is sifting through the world of high level models (including all the way-out bizarre stuff), trying to make sense of it all.

All right well, that's "my" context, and now please if you wouldn't mind taking another moment, please explain this to me in a little more detail, I'm all ears. And, I'll cooperate, in every way I can! I'd just like to understand where the ... um... negative perceptions are coming from. Thanks. Smile
You're not a pest, bro. Far from it. I think the suggestion is too much overload. More than the forum is use to. Enthusiasm is a good thing to have around in any forum discussion and you bring plenty of it, Brian. I think what Lee is saying (and I hope he corrects me if I am wrong) is that this forum works better at a more sedate pace and I tend to agree with that. Its pretty cruisy here but you'd be surprised of how much gets done. But not all your questions you may have can be answered so easily or readily. A few questions at a time creates a better structure for the forum. Most can cope with that.
You're not a pest Brian and your questions are not idiotic and I am sure we don't want you to shut up. I for one enjoy having you around. There is something excitable about you that is contagious.

Okay, understood. Thank you Paul.

So, how about this - this thread was about the Silvia Odio visit, so how about I just shut up and SHOW you what I'm going to do with this.

You can check the state of the data "right now" on the system, about this particular visit - like, you can check the Person records for Silvia Odio and William Seymour and so on - they're in a pretty miserable state. The information is just.... not there yet.

So, I'm going to build it out. Check it today, and then I'll come back in seven days and show you what I did with it. I'm going to use this exact event here, the Odio visit, to show you what the system can do. First, I'm going to build it out in terms of a data structure - I'll go end to end from the ground up, starting with the evidence (beginning with the testimony and all the non-testimonial evidence I can find), and linking it all the way through the Persons and the Events.

Somewhere in the middle of this effort, maybe in three days or so, I'll have timelines for Odio, Seymour, Hall, and the event itself (including all its related events like Loran Hall offering testimony on Sept 16 and Sept 20 1964, who the testimony went to, what it was about, etc etc).

So then, at THAT point, I'll post the links and maybe you could take a look at them and see if what you see THEN is reasonably comprehensive in terms of what you already know.

THEN it'll take me another three or four days to put together the next piece, which is to show you how after "we're" done with entering all the best information we know about, the system can take it from there and take us to the next level.

Then I'll post another link. So that's two posts in seven days.

How's that? Smile
That sounds way cool, Brian. Very Happy See the beast in action.
I had a little play on your website yesterday and it looks like its going to be awesome. I typed in "Imperial Reflex" and got real excited about it all. I only spent about 15 minutes there cause I am pretty stupid with most things computer. I still don't understand it all but when I get brave enough I'll go in for some more.
Mate I hope you don't think I am trying to advise you to minimse your postings. That is not what I intended. I was just trying to convey to you how I feel the forum works in my short experience. You'll get use to the place and the place will get use to you I am sure. The guys here are fantastic. They've put up with me and my ignorance so far and they're especially good for a laugh. I have a lot of fun here.

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 4:46 am

Brian,

A long time ago, and on many occasions, I gave feedback to Tom Scully that his posts hurt my brain.  I meant it.  Tom being Tom took this as being some sort of personal attack rather than feedback from someone who 99% of the time found his posts as useful as a chocolate teapot.  My advice for him to alter the way he structures his posts fell on deaf ears and he still posts exactly the same as he always has.  Now, that doesn't mean his posts are "crap" or "idiotic" or "worthless" -- they most certainly are not.  How do I know this?  Well other people find them useful when they reply.  Most of the time I don't know what they mean but they must understand and grasp what is contained within them.  I don't.  Never have -- never will -- as long he keeps putting them together the way he does. 

This says more about me and the way my mind is structured but if someone wants me personally to get something from their comments or information then it has to be structured a certain way.

Simple.  Flow.  Paragraphs.  Documents linked.  Linear.  An introduction.  Questions.

Your threads and posts have most of the above.  At this moment in time - - there's just too many.  For me -- personally.

I'm not saying your posts are idiotic.  I thought I made myself clear but will take responsibility if I was not.

Regarding "flooding the board" if you look at page one of the JFK forum here there are nine threads.  You are the author of four of them.  So you currently own nearly 45% of the front page.  On page 2 you are the author of 5 of the threads out of 15 so you own 33%.

Now the vast majority of those threads that have already fallen over onto page two will more than likely not get resurrected to the front page of threads unless you *bump* then by posting to them.  They are, for all intents and purposes, forgotten about by the members here.  If they fall to page three then there is even less chance of them jumping back into our consciousness.  Your Westbrook thread is already there and I did have something to post concerning it but the only reason I know it exists is because I've just gone to page three to see what was there in relation to writing this post.  

I said in my earlier post that I am speaking on behalf of myself and no one else.  They can pitch in and tell me I'm talking shit or if they agree with me or not, but if you want good information then it has to be collected in a new way rather than you creating new thread after new thread (posts are completely different to threads BTW - please post as regularly as you like).

Question:  would Greg be willing to create a "JFK timeline" section within this forum for you to post all of your questions so they don't get lost further down the pages and somewhere I can go to to help in a more structured manner?  Don't know whether he'll go for that but figured I'd pitch it.

The work you are doing is important and I'm trying to be helpful here and not be a arsehole.

Ta

Lee

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Stan Dane on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 5:44 am

I agree.

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Re: Silvia Odio visit

Post by Guest on Mon 21 Jul 2014, 1:06 pm

Colonel Von Hello wrote:Brian,

Question:  would Greg be willing to create a "JFK timeline" section within this forum for you to post all of your questions so they don't get lost further down the pages and somewhere I can go to to help in a more structured manner?  Don't know whether he'll go for that but figured I'd pitch it.

The work you are doing is important and I'm trying to be helpful here and not be a arsehole.

Ta

Lee

Hi Lee - listen man, you're not an arse, you're helping me a lot! Really, thank you.

We already did the "forum section" bit - look, I'll back off, 'kay? I'm not tryin' to take over the forum or anything. Just tryin' to get involved a little, touch bases for a coupla days. I have "more than enough" work with the data on the web site, and... how can I say this... as a n00b this is the first time I'm seeing a lot of this stuff, and I'm trying to wrap my mind around it. It's not easy, there's a lot of stuff that's attention-worthy.

I just need to know what we know and what we don't know. In other words, I'm not trying to re-hash old material when I raise the Silvia Odio visit or the Carlin narcotics thing - what I'm really asking is, "where do we stand with this?" What's the "current state of the art" in term of our understanding? 99% of the stuff I'm finding on the internet is "not current". There's the "official record", which is WAY not current, and then there's still a bunch of argument about it, and there's really just a very few unofficial bits of new information that come up from time to time, and many of those are "obscured" somehow, either behind the veil of CIA secrecy, or by someone who's trying to write a book, or even by sheer volume of related information (much of which is probably "mis"information or even "dis"information). I figure it's just a heckuva lot easier to ask you guys the simple question.

But I'll be respectful, and I'm not trying to abuse you guys as resources or anything. I need you, I'd like to keep you on my good side! Smile Listen, I'll just shut up for a while and do what I said, come back in a few days. Meanwhile please go ahead and bump those other threads as you see fit, mine are not that important anyway, and I really didn't mean to push anything down on the list or squash any ongoing discussions.

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