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Frazier And PSE
Wed 12 Apr 2017, 1:53 amVinny
This is from the book The Assassination Tapes by George O'Toole.




After a couple of anxious hours, Pellicano called me back. He told me to get ready to tape record from the phone. I set up my machine, and Pellicano transmitted the tape of his interview with Buell Wesley Frazier. It was solid gold.
Tony Pellicano grew up in Cicero, Illinois, and he sounds like Chicago —except when he chooses to adopt a different personality. In the interview with Frazier, Pellicano was "Tom MacSwade," a freelance Texas newspaperman. With amazing ease and authenticity, he switched to the accents and idiom of Texas-Arkansas.


Pellicano: I am a freelance reporter, and I have been working on a story about the effect that the death of John F. Kennedy had on certain people in the Dallas area, and I have been talking to some folks—a lot of folks with the Dallas Police Department— and, you know, some of the people around whose lives were definitely affected by the serious thing that happened.
Frazier: Yes.
Pellicano: And I come across your name, and I thought ' would give you a call.
Frazier: I see.
Pellicano: Would you mind answering a few questions for me?
Frazier: I guess not.
Pellicano was trying to relax Frazier and get a few irrelevant responses.

There was moderate-to-good stress in "I guess not." Pellicano asked whether Frazier could remember the details of what happened on the day of the assassination. His reply, "Yes I can, showed moderate-to good stress.

Pellicano: Ok, now, you know, some of the police officers that I talked to over at the Dallas Police Department, they said that, oh, on the date, the twenty-second, you know, when you were arrested, you were brought up there to the Dallas Police Department, you know?
Frazier: Yes.
Pellicano: And, I guess you didn't know what was going on, you know,what was happening with Oswald,did you?
Frazier: Well, they told me.
Now the stress had become good.

Pellicano changed the subject and asked what sort of person Oswald had seemed to be. Frazier said he was a quiet sort of person, and he only knew him as a fellow employee. The stress dropped back to the moderate-to-good level.

Pellicano: Did you know he was a Communist or anything like that?
Frazier: No, not until after all this, you know. After it happened, you know, lots of things came out, youknow.

The stress climbed to good-to-hard.Pellicano got to the subject of November 21, the day before the

assassination.
Pellicano: He asked you, he said,"Wes, I want to go home, and I want to bring out some curtain rods for my room?"
Frazier; That is true. Because, you know, he had an apartment, you know, over at Dallas, you know.The stress hit maximum hard on
"That is true," but dropped down to moderate-to-good on the rest of the statement.
Pellicano: He said, "I want to pick up some curtain rods," and what did you do, drive him on home?
Frazier: No, what he did, you know,Thursday he came out. His wife lives out there in Irving, you know,and so, you know, he told me he wanted a ride home out to Irving to see his wife.
I said, "Very well."
So, you know, he did, and he said,you know, on the way out, he said the next morning he is going to bring in some curtain rods, you know, for his apartment over at Dallas. I said, "Very well," you know, so I didn't think anything else about it, you know.
The stress was nearly maximum hard during the entire statement.

Pellicano: What happened then? What did you do? You picked him up the next morning?

Frazier: You know, he come down to where I live, you know, and he got out and walked in, you know, sit down in the car, you know, so, you know, when I got in the car, I glanced at the package, and I didn't think anything about it, and I asked him, I said, "What is that?" And he said, you know, "That is some curtain rods I told you I was going to bring," you know, so I just dropped the subject right there, you know, because I didn't think anything more about it, you know.

The statement began at moderateto- good stress and stayed at that level until "And he said, you know.That is some curtain rods . . .' " at which point it hit maximum hard.

The stress then dropped to the good-to-hard level and remained there for the rest of the statement.
Pellicano: Did he tell you they were curtain rods? Frazier: Right.
Pellicano: I mean, did it look to you like it was a package of curtain rods.
Frazier: Yes, it did.

There was good-to-hard stress in "Right" and hard stress in "Yes, it did." Pellicano led the conversation into a discussion of curtain rods by saying his wife had just bought some the other day. The stress dropped to moderate. Then there was more talk of Oswald, and Frazier offered the view that he had been more intelligent than most people thought. This produced moderate stress. Then Pellicano got back to the subject of the package of curtain rods.
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