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Post by greg parker on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 7:08 pm

the independent wrote:

Intelligent people use more curse words

You always hear, that people who swear have a “limited vocabulary”. But if you think about it, those who don't use any swear words are the ones who limit their own vocabulary, because they intentionally use fewer words than others.
In fact, there is a study deconstructing that myth about curse words. The result showed that people who could name the most swear words within a minute also tend to score higher on an IQ test. The study concludes that a rich vocabulary of swear words is a sign of rhetorical strength rather than the attempt to hide verbal deficits.
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Checkmate.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 7:44 pm

greg parker wrote:
the independent wrote:

Intelligent people use more curse words



You always hear, that people who swear have a “limited vocabulary”. But if you think about it, those who don't use any swear words are the ones who limit their own vocabulary, because they intentionally use fewer words than others.
In fact, there is a study deconstructing that myth about curse words. The result showed that people who could name the most swear words within a minute also tend to score higher on an IQ test. The study concludes that a rich vocabulary of swear words is a sign of rhetorical strength rather than the attempt to hide verbal deficits.
 the independent

Checkmate.
Well that must make me a fucking genius! Shove that up your arseholes you detracting pricks. You only fault our colourful language never our logic or reasoning. Go fuck yourselves you worthless and spineless pieces of shit. All we ever ask of any of you is to support us getting a clearer scan of Prayer Man and to get on board with at the very least the concept of Oswald on the steps of the TSBD. But no. That's too much to ask for from all you JFK connoisseurs. You'd rather discuss whether JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam or not. No wonder the younger generation doesn't give a shit what you dickheads are on about. And then you wonder why we swear, fuckwits. It's like the so called JFK research community have enjoyed this 53 year wilderness and wish to continue for another 53 years of the same bullshit. Too much wanking will make you go blind so that's my guess why you pricks can't see or even imagine Oswald as Prayer Man. One more time, go fuck yourselves.
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Post by greg parker on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 10:19 pm


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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 10:48 pm

Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, anti-Nazi dissident, and key founding member of the Confessing Church. 
Born: February 4, 1906, Wrocław, Poland
Died: April 9, 1945, Flossenbürg concentration camp, Germany
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Post by greg parker on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 11:32 pm

Ed. Ledoux wrote:Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor, theologian, anti-Nazi dissident, and key founding member of the Confessing Church. 
Born: February 4, 1906, Wrocław, Poland
Died: April 9, 1945, Flossenbürg concentration camp, Germany
PROTESTANT CHURCHES IN NAZI GERMANY 
 
The largest Protestant church in Germany in the 1930s was the German Evangelical Church, comprised of 28 regional churches orLandeskirchen that included the three major theological traditions that had emerged from the Reformation: Lutheran, Reformed, and United. Most of Germany's 40 million Protestants were members of this church, although there were smaller so-called "free" Protestant churches, such as Methodist and Baptist churches.

Historically the German Evangelical Church viewed itself as one of the pillars of German culture and society, with a theologically grounded tradition of loyalty to the state. During the 1920s, a movement emerged within the German Evangelical Church called the Deutsche Christen, or "German Christians." The "German Christians" embraced many of the nationalistic and racial aspects of Nazi ideology. Once the Nazis came to power, this group sought the creation of a national "Reich Church" and supported a "nazified" version of Christianity.
The Bekennende Kirche—the "Confessing Church"—emerged in opposition to the “German Christians.” Its founding document, the Barmen Confession of Faith, declared that the church's allegiance was to God and scripture, not a worldly Führer. Both the Confessing Church and the "German Christians" remained part of the German Evangelical Church, and the result was a Kirchenkampf, or "church struggle" within German Protestantism—an ongoing debate and struggle for control between those who sought a "nazified" church, those who opposed it, and the so-called "neutral" church leaders whose priority was the avoidance both of church schism and any kind of conflict with the Nazi state.
The most famous members of the Confessing Church were the theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, executed for his role in the conspiracy to overthrow the regime, and Pastor Martin Niemöller, who spent seven years in concentration camps for his criticisms of Hitler. Yet these clergymen were not typical of the Confessing Church; despite their examples, the Protestant Kirchenkampf was mostly an internal church matter, not a fight against National Socialism. Even in the Confessing Church, most church leaders were primarily concerned with blocking state and ideological interference in church affairs. Yet there were certainly members of the clergy and laity who opposed and resisted the regime, including some who aided and hid Jews.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
Interestingly both Oswald and Sirhan attended Lutheran (German) Evangelical schools, with Oswald applying to go to a Swiss College whose US intake Officer had been a member of a Lutheran Evangelical Church which had been a meeting place for US Nazis.


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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Tue 27 Dec 2016, 11:36 pm

Paul Francisco Paso wrote:Well that must make me a fucking genius! Shove that up your arseholes you detracting pricks. You only fault our colourful language never our logic or reasoning. Go fuck yourselves you worthless and spineless pieces of shit. All we ever ask of any of you is to support us getting a clearer scan of Prayer Man and to get on board with at the very least the concept of Oswald on the steps of the TSBD. But no. That's too much to ask for from all you JFK connoisseurs. You'd rather discuss whether JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam or not. No wonder the younger generation doesn't give a shit what you dickheads are on about. And then you wonder why we swear, fuckwits. It's like the so called JFK research community have enjoyed this 53 year wilderness and wish to continue for another 53 years of the same bullshit. Too much wanking will make you go blind so that's my guess why you pricks can't see or even imagine Oswald as Prayer Man. One more time, go fuck yourselves.

What Paul said, you utter gonads. We've got more brains than all of you fuckwits.
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Post by Terry W. Martin on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 2:05 am

I have not been to any of the other forums since the blitzkrieg against The Gilbride at ED and that was a year ago. Recently, someone on Facebook (on the JFK Forum Trolls page) asked if anyone had read Foibles and Follies and was it any good.

I said I had read it and it was about how useless most of the forums were. After going into a great deal of depth about the forums for that book, I saw what an utter cesspool all the other ones were. Useless, completely, or even more so.

Like someone else here mentioned, I think it's time we start expending more effort into reaching OTHER people about the case. The White House petition drew minimal response and that was because it was promoted within the JFK "research" (for want of a better [non-vulgar] term) community.

We have to get the word out to a larger segment of the population. If another petition is attempted, it should be linked from Stan's book and Bart's articles and anything else we can think of, but the word has to be spread beyond the pathetically useless, time-wasting, mind-numbing of the forums.

I second the notion from Bart and Stan to stop wasting time on the other forums. Sure, some casual reader may come across the erroneous data and they should be given the better data but that said, how long can you keep trying to battle against the dishonest forum mods and forum owners? They can and do alter postings to keep the ROKC message disappeared.

Rather than waste our energies fighting the losers on their own turf, do it elsewhere. I do not have to defend my work in their tosspot havens.

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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 5:54 am

Well said, Terry.
 
I think it is a huge waste of time and energy to try to persuade the willfully ignorant and the happily stupid with facts and reason.
 
Recent case in point.  Andrej Stancak made a wonderfully concise and logical response to Bill Miller this morning at the ED Forum. Miller shrugs it off and continues like a beast plodding through a china shop with whatever it is he is saying (and I don't know what that is—after a certain point, I don't read what people like him and Doyle post. I only scan for key words to gauge emotion and attitude. I value my sanity and I won't read gobbledygook).
 
People like Miller and Doyle are a waste. Don't have anything to do with the likes of them unless it is unavoidable, and then, treat them with the contempt these clowns deserve.
 
We must appeal to those with open minds and focus on them—pretty much anyone not in the mainstream JFK research community. I can't begin to tell you how rewarding it is to have someone tell me how blown away they were by reading Prayer Man: Out of the Shadows and Into the Light. (A well-known celebrity comes to mind here.) Hell, Bart is breaking records for views of his video and blogs. These folks are not the brain dead scum that flourish in the forums.
 
Greg says we need to back off on the research in 2017 and focus more on our many projects. I agree. We have enough facts and evidence now. We need to start making the case to new people. 

If there is hope it lies with the proles.
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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 7:39 am

Stan Dane wrote:Well said, Terry.
 
I think it is a huge waste of time and energy to try to persuade the willfully ignorant and the happily stupid with facts and reason.
 
Recent case in point.  Andrej Stancak made a wonderfully concise and logical response to Bill Miller this morning at the ED Forum. Miller shrugs it off and continues like a beast plodding through a china shop with whatever it is he is saying (and I don't know what that is—after a certain point, I don't read what people like him and Doyle post. I only scan for key words to gauge emotion and attitude. I value my sanity and I won't read gobbledygook).
 
People like Miller and Doyle are a waste. Don't have anything to do with the likes of them unless it is unavoidable, and then, treat them with the contempt these clowns deserve.
 
We must appeal to those with open minds and focus on them—pretty much anyone not in the mainstream JFK research community. I can't begin to tell you how rewarding it is to have someone tell me how blown away they were by reading Prayer Man: Out of the Shadows and Into the Light. (A well-known celebrity comes to mind here.) Hell, Bart is breaking records for views of his video and blogs. These folks are not the brain dead scum that flourish in the forums.
 
Greg says we need to back off on the research in 2017 and focus more on our many projects. I agree. We have enough facts and evidence now. We need to start making the case to new people. 

If there is hope it lies with the proles.
It's a pity Andrej doesn't post here anymore. He's been a champion of Prayer Man and doing the hard yards over at the EF.
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Post by steely dan on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 11:25 am

Just wondering what Mingus makes of his "serious researcher", Billy Ray Mullet. He's yet to comment. On PM or Yeti sightings.
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Post by Stan Dane on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 11:42 am

steely dan wrote:Just wondering what Mingus makes of his "serious researcher", Billy Ray Mullet. He's yet to comment. On PM or Yeti sightings.
I think Mingus is too busy arranging deck chairs on the SS Education Forum.
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Post by Jake Sykes on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 3:32 pm

What we have proven is the true power of the PM hypothesis. Until Prayer Man, WC defenders of all stripes were able to defend all objections to it, or if playing the opposite side of the fence, count on their "objections" to be "defeated".  What the WCR does is to not bother proving Oswald guilty and instead makes it impossible to prove anyone else was involved, then simply asserts Oswald's guilt, which Dulles essentially said out loud. 

The backstops provided by the WCR did not require overt ignorant, stupid, or deceptive behavior on the part of those defending it. While those traits were implicit in their behavior, they could at least pretend they were behaving intelligently while they stuck to the script. 
 
This also allowed forums capitalizing on controversy to carry on as though there was equanimity between two sides racking up clicks.

Then Prayer Man showed up on the door step. Now there remains that same prime imperative to discount one more gaping hole in the official story but this hole was not anticipated by the WCR. Without that backstop behind them, we see the forced farce of those who try and fail to stand up against the PM hypothesis. 

To briefly review: There is a man on the steps who is wholly and completely undocumented and unidentified in the WCR. A carefully researched list of all possible men on steps sorts to but one, LH Oswald, with nary a word in the WC to dispute it, that leaves nothing for the defenders to use. So the fools must make it up, which puts them on thin ice, then falling through it. The man is a woman. Oops. It's a man. Do they look stupid or do they look stupid? It can't be Oswald because then there would have to be a conspiracy, and we don't believe in conspiracies. Do they ever look ignorant and naive or do they look ignorant and naive. There is a clear scan of Prayer Man out there somewhere but they don't want to know about it or talk about it. They instead opt for being ostriches with their heads in the sand and their asses in the air blowing gas. Do they stink or do they stink?

Prayer man has really messed up everything, sort of.
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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 4:10 pm

Jake Sykes wrote:What we have proven is the true power of the PM hypothesis. Until Prayer Man, WC defenders of all stripes were able to defend all objections to it, or if playing the opposite side of the fence, count on their "objections" to be "defeated".  What the WCR does is to not bother proving Oswald guilty and instead makes it impossible to prove anyone else was involved, then simply asserts Oswald's guilt, which Dulles essentially said out loud. 

The backstops provided by the WCR did not require overt ignorant, stupid, or deceptive behavior on the part of those defending it. While those traits were implicit in their behavior, they could at least pretend they were behaving intelligently while they stuck to the script. 
 
This also allowed forums capitalizing on controversy to carry on as though there was equanimity between two sides racking up clicks.

Then Prayer Man showed up on the door step. Now there remains that same prime imperative to discount one more gaping hole in the official story but this hole was not anticipated by the WCR. Without that backstop behind them, we see the forced farce of those who try and fail to stand up against the PM hypothesis. 

To briefly review: There is a man on the steps who is wholly and completely undocumented and unidentified in the WCR. A carefully researched list of all possible men on steps sorts to but one, LH Oswald, with nary a word in the WC to dispute it, that leaves nothing for the defenders to use. So the fools must make it up, which puts them on thin ice, then falling through it. The man is a woman. Oops. It's a man. Do they look stupid or do they look stupid? It can't be Oswald because then there would have to be a conspiracy, and we don't believe in conspiracies. Do they ever look ignorant and naive or do they look ignorant and naive. There is a clear scan of Prayer Man out there somewhere but they don't want to know about it or talk about it. They instead opt for being ostriches with their heads in the sand and their asses in the air blowing gas. Do they stink or do they stink?

Prayer man has really messed up everything, sort of.
Well said, Jake. I dare say even those who believe in a conspiracy are actually fuciking scared of it. The thought of Oswald on the steps of the TSBD horrifies them to the point of nightmares. Especially those delicate 2FE culties. No cojones. Nada. Jellybacks the lot of them. At least I can understand the reticence from those LN zealots. Those guys are WC zombies but the others (and they know who they are) it is inexcusable. Like Terry said so eloquently and without cussing which is something foreign to my approach. He says we don't need them while I say fuck em. Same thing really. We'll appeal where common sense prevails not to those that have been tainted by there own sense of self importance. They're utterly useless to the cause.
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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 5:20 pm

steely dan wrote:Just wondering what Mingus makes of his "serious researcher", Billy Ray Mullet. He's yet to comment. On PM or Yeti sightings.
I reckon Mingus should go and get some trekking boots and a goretex jacket along with a 20 x 50 set of binoculars plus a handicam and sign up to a Billy Ray Mullet Sasquatch tour to see how serious he is. I doubt he'll bother to get off his arse.
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Post by Hasan Yusuf on Wed 28 Dec 2016, 11:37 pm

Stan Dane wrote:
steely dan wrote:Just wondering what Mingus makes of his "serious researcher", Billy Ray Mullet. He's yet to comment. On PM or Yeti sightings.
I think Mingus is too busy arranging deck chairs on the SS Education Forum.

The SS Education Forum is sinking due to the weight of all the bullshit being spouted there, but Mingus is too fucked up to realise it.
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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Thu 29 Dec 2016, 12:10 am

The most famous members of the Confessing Church were the theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, executed for his role in the conspiracy to overthrow the regime, and Pastor Martin Niemöller, who spent seven years in concentration camps for his criticisms of Hitler. Yet these clergymen were not typical of the Confessing Church; despite their examples, the Protestant Kirchenkampf was mostly an internal church matter, not a fight against National Socialism. Even in the Confessing Church, most church leaders were primarily concerned with blocking state and ideological interference in church affairs. Yet there were certainly members of the clergy and laity who opposed and resisted the regime, including some who aided and hid Jews.
Interestingly both Oswald and Sirhan attended Lutheran (German) Evangelical schools, with Oswald applying to go to a Swiss College whose US intake Officer had been a member of a Lutheran Evangelical Church which had been a meeting place for US Nazis
....founding of the German Evangelical Lutheran Bethlehem Orphan Asylum Association.... where all three Pic/Oswald children were entered.

The Early Years
The seeds for Lutheran Social Services of the South were sown in the early 1860s in Louisiana, with the origination of the Bethlehem Children’s Center in New Orleans.
In 1866, a Louisiana society that raised money to support needy orphans tried to build an orphanage, but failed, due to poor economic conditions following the Civil War.
The German Evangelical Lutheran Bethlehem Orphan Asylum Association was incorporated to the society in 1881, and in 1883 a plantation house became the first orphanage for Bethlehem. A new building capable of housing 80 to 100 children was constructed in 1886.
Texas’ Lutheran charitable work started when a pastor set up a Widows’ Aid Fund in 1867. But the agency officially began in 1881 to help those in need.
Trinity Lutheran Home, a haven for orphans and elderly that opened in November 1929. Due to a decline in the number of children cared for (from 33 a year to only 17 a year), the program for children ended in 1958. In its place, the Society decided to help unwed mothers and their infants.


Lutheran Social Services of New York celebrates its 130th           continuous year of service in 2016.
In 1886, 11 Lutheran congregations in the metropolitan New York area created the Bethlehem Orphan and Half-Orphan Asylum, to take care of children who were orphaned primarily due to a severe outbreak of influenza within the German communities of New York City. The first permanent Bethlehem “Asylum” was in College Point, Queens.
Throughout the first half of the 20th century, many Lutheran mission societies existed to meet a wide variety of social and community needs among Lutherans immigrating to New York. As the century progressed, small-community, church-based societies formed larger organizations. These organizations were linked either to the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS) or to predecessor bodies of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).
The roots of The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod trace back to 1847, when Saxon and other German immigrants established a new church body in America,
Originally named The German Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Missouri, Ohio and Other States, the name was shortened to The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod in 1947 on the occasion of our 100th anniversary.

http://www.cph.org/p-286-zion-on-the-mississippi-the-settlement-of-the-saxon-lutherans-in-missouri-1839-1841.aspx?SearchTerm=Zion%20on%20the%20Mississippi
 

Interesting fact is that Marguerite would not take Lee to any church services, like mass while in New York.

RELIGIOUS AFFILIATIONS: Lee is a Lutheran. He was baptized at the Trinity Lutheran Church at New Orleans, La., in Nov. 1939. They has not made his Communion nor Confirmation. Mrs. Oswald indicated that she and Lee do not go to Sunday Service, as they have been in N.Y. a short time and do not known any churches or congregations nearby.


Would it be too hard to find one, as the NY area was literally crawling with Lutherans?
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Post by greg parker on Thu 29 Dec 2016, 8:17 am

Ed. Ledoux wrote:
The most famous members of the Confessing Church were the theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, executed for his role in the conspiracy to overthrow the regime, and Pastor Martin Niemöller, who spent seven years in concentration camps for his criticisms of Hitler. Yet these clergymen were not typical of the Confessing Church; despite their examples, the Protestant Kirchenkampf was mostly an internal church matter, not a fight against National Socialism. Even in the Confessing Church, most church leaders were primarily concerned with blocking state and ideological interference in church affairs. Yet there were certainly members of the clergy and laity who opposed and resisted the regime, including some who aided and hid Jews.
Interestingly both Oswald and Sirhan attended Lutheran (German) Evangelical schools, with Oswald applying to go to a Swiss College whose US intake Officer had been a member of a Lutheran Evangelical Church which had been a meeting place for US Nazis
....founding of the German Evangelical Lutheran Bethlehem Orphan Asylum Association.... where all three Pic/Oswald children were entered.

The Early Years
The seeds for Lutheran Social Services of the South were sown in the early 1860s in Louisiana, with the origination of the Bethlehem Children’s Center in New Orleans.
In 1866, a Louisiana society that raised money to support needy orphans tried to build an orphanage, but failed, due to poor economic conditions following the Civil War.
The German Evangelical Lutheran Bethlehem Orphan Asylum Association was incorporated to the society in 1881, and in 1883 a plantation house became the first orphanage for Bethlehem. A new building capable of housing 80 to 100 children was constructed in 1886.
Texas’ Lutheran charitable work started when a pastor set up a Widows’ Aid Fund in 1867. But the agency officially began in 1881 to help those in need.
Trinity Lutheran Home, a haven for orphans and elderly that opened in November 1929. Due to a decline in the number of children cared for (from 33 a year to only 17 a year), the program for children ended in 1958. In its place, the Society decided to help unwed mothers and their infants.


Lutheran Social Services of New York celebrates its 130th           continuous year of service in 2016.
In 1886, 11 Lutheran congregations in the metropolitan New York area created the Bethlehem Orphan and Half-Orphan Asylum, to take care of children who were orphaned primarily due to a severe outbreak of influenza within the German communities of New York City. The first permanent Bethlehem “Asylum” was in College Point, Queens.
Throughout the first half of the 20th century, many Lutheran mission societies existed to meet a wide variety of social and community needs among Lutherans immigrating to New York. As the century progressed, small-community, church-based societies formed larger organizations. These organizations were linked either to the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS) or to predecessor bodies of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).
The roots of The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod trace back to 1847, when Saxon and other German immigrants established a new church body in America,
Originally named The German Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Missouri, Ohio and Other States, the name was shortened to The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod in 1947 on the occasion of our 100th anniversary.

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Interesting fact is that Marguerite would not take Lee to any church services, like mass while in New York.

RELIGIOUS AFFILIATIONS: Lee is a Lutheran. He was baptized at the Trinity Lutheran Church at New Orleans, La., in Nov. 1939. They has not made his Communion nor Confirmation. Mrs. Oswald indicated that she and Lee do not go to Sunday Service, as they have been in N.Y. a short time and do not known any churches or congregations nearby.


Would it be too hard to find one, as the NY area was literally crawling with Lutherans?
Nice work, Ed. This will come in handy as I'm re-editing the first two books. The quote about religious affiliations I'm guessing either came from the probation officer or Youth House. Either way, it would be AFTER Lee attended the Lutheran Evangelical School, so she had to have some idea... I also strongly suspect she was in touch with Ekdahl up until his death.  Ekdahl, as I showed in the 1st book, was a Lutheran who had volunteered in NY Lutheran orphan charities as a young man. That said, I'm not sure why she would hide church attendance in NY - unless it had been with her ex-husband.

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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Thu 29 Dec 2016, 7:43 pm

Why yes, his P.O. John Carro.

"....Hostility towards father figures."
What?
JC (john carro) has said words like 'dangerous situation' etc to convince

While hunting around about the Bureau of Attendance officer Brennan, whom had seen the apartment supposedly lived in by Marguerite in NY....as the PO Carro did not see it, I came across this:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/1953/02/25/archives/legal-guide-urged-for-teen-sitters-school-aid-is-advocated-for.html

Pending laws, testing the system perhaps,

It is documented in Carro's statement she spent little time at the apartment, he could never make a call there.
Do you think Ekdahl rented Marguerite a place, like he did before, when he was divorcing her.
Could it be she shacked up w/Edwin, got Lee sent to YH.
So she could try to give Edwin a heart attack?? wink wink
I mean Lee not showing up to court...really... Or was that Marguerite not informing Lee of the proceedings? Or, her taking care of business
Carro noted later, "She may have been just as disturbed as the boy."
Did she play off her kids so they could save their mom's... job/marriage/money/? IDK what the children of MO thought about her game.
So Lee said he liked YH and did not care where he had to go to school.
"does it matter"
now that is one cool cucumber.


Thomas Hepworth Oswald, b. Liberty Co., Ga., 13 Feb. 1790, d. Gulfport, Harrison Co., Miss., 13 Jan. 1877 [bur. Naval Retirement Home, Gulfport, Miss.]


So Margueite gets married, to Edwin, in the place where Lee's great grandparent died?


Yet here is Lee, on his own, in bloody New York, seeing museums and zoos.. well he had a Pic taken at the zoo..  
anyways. his life is that of a child god, who the fuck wouldn't want to be free to visit historical and interesting buildings all day. Ferris Bueller's Day Off indeed.

To quote from a New Republic hit piece intended to make Lee appear troubled,
In the mornings after Marguerite left for work, Lee would often stay in bed until eleven or twelve, then fix something to eat, watch TV, listen to the radio, read magazines. He preferred this easy isolation to the difficulties of school. Some days he would head to the subway, riding from the Bronx to Queens and Brooklyn, back and forth, all day long. He almost never talked to anyone, just like his mother taught him, leaving him to drift and fantasize about the big life he would have one day. On other days he would go to the library, maybe an art museum, or, best of all—he loved to see the animals—the Bronx Zoo.

https://newrepublic.com/article/115536/lee-harvey-oswalds-new-york-city-life-was-brief-and-troubled


Yet again we see Lee has adept at retaining knowledge from what he saw and read.


Dr. Renatus Hartogs, the German-born chief psychiatrist at Youth House, interviewed Lee for about an hour. Hartogs found him a bright boy, possessing "superior mental resources"


Marguerite blamed her son’s troubles on New York laws and how the Bureau of Attendance was making a "criminal out of him."

Right because summer school didn't exist, or make up days... Straight to criminal training camp,
step one pack the tobacco into a ball silent

Murders and freaks mixed in with a truant. I hope they didn't learn how to read or chill out from the absentee.

The state law for truancy and, education department receiving money based on attendance are hand in hand, its all about getting funding.

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