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Post by greg parker on Sun 05 Feb 2017, 3:39 pm

John Mytton wrote:The Kooks will run like hell from this, the President of the United States has his brains blown out right in front of the place you work and Oswald who has a passion for politics and stuff, has no interest in hanging around and asking what happened and of course we know why Oswald had no need to ask because he saw Kennedy's head blow up while looking down the rifle he ordered from Kleins.


This was Mytton's circular reasoning in response to Hess's question about why Oswald had no interest in finding out what happened.

Has "Mytton" ever contemplated why Frazier not only showed no interest, but actually made sure no one was gonna tell him anything because by his own testimony, he went to the basement to each lunch after watching the show?

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Post by greg parker on Sun 05 Feb 2017, 3:53 pm

Hess's video on the subject:

Norman and Jarman confirm talking to Oswald earlier in the morning about the motorcade with a few un-named others. 

I believe this is where an agreement  was struck as to where they would go to watch per Williams testimony:

Mr. BALL. Why did you go to the sixth floor? 
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time everybody was talking like they was going to watch from the sixth floor. I think Billy Lovelady said he wanted to watch from up there. And also my friend; this Spanish boy, by the name of Danny Arce, we had agreed at first to come back up to the sixth floor. So I thought everybody was going to be on the sixth floor. 
Mr. BALL. Did anybody go back? 
Mr. WILLIAMS. Nobody came back up. So I just left. 



So looks like Lovelady and Arce were two of the other involved in that discussion. I believe Piper had just arrived at work (he started at 10 am and he also claimed to speak to Oswald around this time. 

But I don't believe the agreement was to go up the 6th at all. The 5th had the flooring completed and provided a better spot imo. In any case, the fist day statements show that it was the 5th that Jarman, Norman and Williams went to, We know Lovelady and Arce had a change of heart altogether and went outside. That leaves Piper who claimed not to go to any upper floors, and instead watched alone from the 1st floor. But we also know a story quickly surfaced that someone who sounds a lot like Piper "escorted" "Oswald" up to the 6th. We know Dougherty was on the 5th and/or 6th.  

If you watch this video, Norman and Jarman come across as completely believable. Then we get to Givens and his eyes are darting everywhere. He is lying through his teeth. If he saw anyone up there, it was Dougherty.


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Post by Stan Dane on Sun 05 Feb 2017, 6:58 pm

What I don't understand is why the well-known LNs still hang around the forums. If the case is so goddamned airtight against Oswald (i.e. Bug's 53 pieces of shit evidence), why waste your time with us kooks? (Unless that's what gets you off.) That would be like hanging around a forum of flat-earthers. Who would give a damn what people like that think? Would you be worried that they are going to screw up science with their flat-earth ideas? Of course not.   
 
I tell you what. If/when this case gets reopened and Oswald is exonerated by the facts and evidence, I won't be hanging around to hear what the LNs have to say. They can congregate wherever they choose and talk about whatever they want because I could give a flying fuck. They can have a ball and claim anything they want.
 
Actually, I do understand the LNs. The reason the DVPs, the Stinkys and the Myttons of the world hang out where they do and are always lurking is because things are NOT resolved and they have a narrative to defend by hook or by crook. And they know it and we know it.

PS: When Oswald gets exonerated, I won't care what many fucked up CTs have to say either. I'll just party with my ROKC mates.
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Post by greg parker on Sun 05 Feb 2017, 7:27 pm

stan wrote:PS: When Oswald gets exonerated, I won't care what many fucked up CTs have to say either. I'll just party with my ROKC mates.

We'll have to organize a virtual party. Whatever happens, I'll be raising one or two for the crew here.

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Post by Ed. Ledoux on Mon 06 Feb 2017, 9:27 am

Right... go up to six to watch my ass!

Boxes moved in the way, flooring being laid-back down...
What a shitty spot for them to watch from
Seems 5th would be closer to parade as its first non office floor...
Sorry I have to call bullshit on anyone saying 6th floor would be a good place to watch from.
If it was why were they not up there?

I also take umbrage with the idea the American people need anyone to tell them Oswald was not guilty, or there is a conspiracy.
To make it "official" history yes a government body needs to proclaim it so.
The American peolpe just need to see our evidence in a news special.
Then 90% will know for a fact the case against Lee was unfounded.
It would need to air on a major network.
They unfortunately are corporate entities tied to the government.
That would not happen in a million years.

Ralph Cinque has a greater chance at an NBC ABC or CBS special report than we do. And that is their game.
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Post by greg parker on Mon 06 Feb 2017, 10:15 am

Ed. Ledoux wrote:Right... go up to six to watch my ass!

Boxes moved in the way, flooring being laid-back down...
What a shitty spot for them to watch from
Seems 5th would be closer to parade as its first non office floor...  
Sorry I have to call bullshit on anyone saying 6th floor would be a good place to watch from.
If it was why were they not up there?

Thanks ed, wasn't sure how much agreement I would get on that.

I also take umbrage with the idea the American people need anyone to tell them Oswald was not guilty, or there is a conspiracy.
To make it "official" history yes a government body needs to proclaim it so.
The American peolpe just need to see our evidence in a news special.
Then 90% will know for a fact the case against Lee was unfounded.

The majority already know - but most would "know" based on what little they've read and seen - some of it not much better in laying out facts than the WC. The official history does need to be updated. Then everyone is on the same page. Sure, people can still dissent from that - but then they will be the fringe-dwellers. Getting the official verdict change may also result in an apology and compensation for the remaining members of Oswald's family. Also having the real perps exposed to the light of day may embolden more "outsiders" to enter politics.


It would need to air on a major network.
They unfortunately are corporate entities tied to the government.
That would not happen in a million years.  

Ralph Cinque has a greater chance at an NBC ABC or CBS special report than we do. And that is their game.

You're probably right about Ralph having more chance. The networks love the wacky stuff. But it is something like that which could turn the tide for us if it could be done. The majority believing in conspiracy when asked in a passive survey is not enough. We need a good proportion of those people to be even better informed AND angry about it - angry enough to stop being passive and make some noise.

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Post by Mick Purdy on Mon 06 Feb 2017, 11:25 pm

Ed. Ledoux wrote:Right... go up to six to watch my ass!

Boxes moved in the way, flooring being laid-back down...
What a shitty spot for them to watch from
Seems 5th would be closer to parade as its first non office floor...  
Sorry I have to call bullshit on anyone saying 6th floor would be a good place to watch from.
If it was why were they not up there?

I also take umbrage with the idea the American people need anyone to tell them Oswald was not guilty, or there is a conspiracy.
To make it "official" history yes a government body needs to proclaim it so.
The American peolpe just need to see our evidence in a news special.
Then 90% will know for a fact the case against Lee was unfounded.
It would need to air on a major network.
They unfortunately are corporate entities tied to the government.
That would not happen in a million years.  

Ralph Cinque has a greater chance at an NBC ABC or CBS special report than we do. And that is their game.
You are dead right Ed and a shit spot to take aim from also.  Laughing
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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 7:02 am

Everyone I speak to doesn't believe the official line even though they are not familiar with the evidence. The LNs did a good job after Stone's film pushing the official line and pointing out the films deficiencies. I must admit when I first started researching this case in earnest I considered a lot I knew nothing about that LNs bought up. It was only when I really got stuck into it that I realised the true inconsistency of their claims. The shot sequence for me first raised alarms. After that Lee and Greg's research at ROKC. Then PM. Ed's stuff I was familiar with. His Technicolor Shirt article was memorable because he tore the official story to bits and I couldn't argue against it. When I joined ROKC I was comfortable but not as confident with my knowledge of the case. A lot of it went over my head and I had to readjust what I thought I knew about this case for starters. I threw everything out the 6th floor window and regathered it. It was a process that made me rethink this case in a different light. I agree we have more than enough evidence to convince the general public. Getting heard is the problem as well as support from the research community. I am not suggesting amnesty with our adversaries that also claim conspiracy and cover ups. This has been difficult when attempted and IMO a waste of time and effort. Barto has done tremendous work with PM and Stan's book has cleared it up. I reckon we should ride that wave as much as we can and build on it. PM for me is what the general public will adopt. The 2FE is the myth we should expose as one and continue to do so. If we've learned anything about trying to re educate anybody its the 2FE. Not for the sake of PM but it would help tremendously. Most people still believe that garbage.
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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 7:19 am

Paul Francisco Paso wrote:Everyone I speak to doesn't believe the official line even though they are not familiar with the evidence. The LNs did a good job after Stone's film pushing the official line and pointing out the films deficiencies. I must admit when I first started researching this case in earnest I considered a lot I knew nothing about that LNs bought up. It was only when I really got stuck into it that I realised the true inconsistency of their claims. The shot sequence for me first raised alarms. After that Lee and Greg's research at ROKC. Then PM. Ed's stuff I was familiar with. His Technicolor Shirt article was memorable because he tore the official story to bits and I couldn't argue against it. When I joined ROKC I was comfortable but not as confident with my knowledge of the case. A lot of it went over my head and I had to readjust what I thought I knew about this case for starters. I threw everything out the 6th floor window and regathered it. It was a process that made me rethink this case in a different light. I agree we have more than enough evidence to convince the general public. Getting heard is the problem as well as support from the research community. I am not suggesting amnesty with our adversaries that also claim conspiracy and cover ups. This has been difficult when attempted and IMO a waste of time and effort. Barto has done tremendous work with PM and Stan's book has cleared it up. I reckon we should ride that wave as much as we can and build on it. PM for me is what the general public will adopt. The 2FE is the myth we should expose as one and continue to do so. If we've learned anything about trying to re educate anybody its the 2FE. Not for the sake of PM but it would help tremendously. Most people still believe that garbage.
Paul, what has been obvious in politics for quite some time is that most people are fed up with the system and the players. But for years, those same players refused to heed the signs - as did the media.

Brexit and Trump, among others internationally and locally, has finally shaken the lethargy. It's almost impossible now to watch the news or current affairs type shows without some talking head or other wondering if this is the end of the system as we know it. Why is everyone suddenly wide awake? Because things reach a critical mass and take on an energy and momentum all their own. That's not me taken sides with it. It's me pointing out reality. Length, depth and breadth are key. Wide coverage of important key info in easily digested bites over a long period. Momentum. We have at least some within the community, and thanks to Stan and Bart, a little even outside of it. But we are still a long way from the critical mass needed.


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Post by Stan Dane on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 7:24 am

A mentor of mine once told me that facts mean nothing unless they evoke feelings and emotions. That's what drives people to take action. We have to present the facts—an asset that we own—in such a way that strong feelings are stirred in people so that they want to do something about it. The more people that want to do something the closer we get to critical mass. Let's figure out how.
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Post by greg parker on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 7:40 am

Stan Dane wrote:A mentor of mine once told me that facts mean nothing unless they evoke feelings and emotions. That's what drives people to take action. We have to present the facts—an asset that we own—in such a way that strong feelings are stirred in people so that they want to do something about it. The more people that want to do something the closer we get to critical mass. Let's figure out how.
I think your mentor was right. I can't think of anyone who ever made an impact who did it without evoking some emotion.

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Meanwhile at Stinky's House of Stoush, the geese continue laying turkeys.
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From one of the interchangeable Nutters:

He left nearly all his cash on a day when he ended up in police custody. What foresight.

But here are the facts... every pay day he left whatever spare money he had in that wallet at the Paines.  He did not, as McAdams tried to sell and every Nutter since has repeated... suddenly leave all of his cash for Marina because he was going off to shoot the President. It was savings accumulated over a period of time. It was not money he carried around, but rather, left with Marina.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you usually keep a wallet with money in it at the Paines?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, in my room at Ruth Paine's there was a black wallet in a wardrobe. Whenever Lee would come he would put money in there, but I never counted it.
Mr. RANKIN. On the evening of November 21st, do you know how much was in the wallet?
Mrs. OSWALD. No. One detail that I remember was that he had asked me whether I had bought some shoes for myself, and 1 said no, that I hadn't had any time. He asked me whether June needed anything and told me to buy everything that I needed for myself and for June and for the children. This was rather unusual for him, that he would mention that first.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he take the money from the wallet from time to time?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, he generally kept the amount that he needed and put the rest in the wallet.
I know that the money that was found there, that you think this was not Lee's money. But I know for sure that this was money that he had earned. He had some money left after his trip to Mexico. Then we received an unemployment compensation check for $33. And then Lee paid only $7 or $8 for his room. And I know how he eats, very little.

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Post by Paul Francisco Paso on Tue 07 Feb 2017, 8:05 am

greg parker wrote:
Paul Francisco Paso wrote:Everyone I speak to doesn't believe the official line even though they are not familiar with the evidence. The LNs did a good job after Stone's film pushing the official line and pointing out the films deficiencies. I must admit when I first started researching this case in earnest I considered a lot I knew nothing about that LNs bought up. It was only when I really got stuck into it that I realised the true inconsistency of their claims. The shot sequence for me first raised alarms. After that Lee and Greg's research at ROKC. Then PM. Ed's stuff I was familiar with. His Technicolor Shirt article was memorable because he tore the official story to bits and I couldn't argue against it. When I joined ROKC I was comfortable but not as confident with my knowledge of the case. A lot of it went over my head and I had to readjust what I thought I knew about this case for starters. I threw everything out the 6th floor window and regathered it. It was a process that made me rethink this case in a different light. I agree we have more than enough evidence to convince the general public. Getting heard is the problem as well as support from the research community. I am not suggesting amnesty with our adversaries that also claim conspiracy and cover ups. This has been difficult when attempted and IMO a waste of time and effort. Barto has done tremendous work with PM and Stan's book has cleared it up. I reckon we should ride that wave as much as we can and build on it. PM for me is what the general public will adopt. The 2FE is the myth we should expose as one and continue to do so. If we've learned anything about trying to re educate anybody its the 2FE. Not for the sake of PM but it would help tremendously. Most people still believe that garbage.
Paul, what has been obvious in politics for quite some time is that most people are fed up with the system and the players. But for years, those same players refused to heed the signs - as did the media.

Brexit and Trump, among others internationally and locally, has finally shaken the lethargy. It's almost impossible now to watch the news or current affairs type shows without some talking head or other wondering if this is the end of the system as we know it. Why is everyone suddenly wide awake? Because things reach a critical mass and take on an energy and momentum all their own. That's not me taken sides with it. It's me pointing out reality. Length, depth and breadth are key. Wide coverage of important key info in easily digested bites over a long period. Momentum. We have at least some within the community, and thanks to Stan and Bart, a little even outside of it. But we are still a long way from the critical mass needed.
Most are fed up with the system but what else do they have to feed up on? Trump and Brexit just proved frustration. I don't see anything unusual about it. How the fuck is Trump president? How did that happen? Because of the system we are fed up with. It doesn't change the system it just makes it look ridiculous that a reality tv clown is now ruling the world via Twitter. The thing is enough people don't give a shit. This evidence has to be served up with a clearer scan I fear. We can break down the myths and argue our evidence as a starting point but we're going to need that scan to exonerate Oswald. Let's go after that fucker and destroy the 2FE while we do it. We have to gather support I agree. A short film on a crowdfund sourcing website might do the trick in gaining funds to get NBC to release that film. Fuck the MSM.
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Paul wrote:This evidence has to be served up with a clearer scan I fear. We can break down the myths and argue our evidence as a starting point but we're going to need that scan to exonerate Oswald. Let's go after that fucker and destroy the 2FE while we do it. We have to gather support I agree. A short film on a crowdfund sourcing website might do the trick in gaining funds to get NBC to release that film. Fuck the MSM.

Shit yeah mate. We need the films.

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