Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part B

Mon 22 Aug 2016, 2:19 pm

First topic message reminder :

Alan

I asked before but got no response, so here goes again - is there any evidence that Buell came into money after the assassination? It has been raised before in situations like this that where someone who appears to be involved in a cover-up seems to come into a lot of money. Was there some carrot or was it all stick that is keeping him silent?

Thu 25 Jan 2018, 11:55 am

Mick Purdy wrote:Bart,

I had rquested this file twice sometime back. Posted in Rider A I think.
I have had no response to either request and no response to reminders.

I suspect that file will not be released, at least not to us mere mortals.

Mick, it will never see the light of day. Not because of dodgy answers, but because of the questions that were asked.

Fri 26 Jan 2018, 3:10 am

Oh I got it and it is worth shit. And that is because there is no actual poly, merely the request for the DPD/FBI to provide it and everyone pretends their noses are bleeding.

The only reason why that poly is nowhere to be seen is coz it would destroy the DPD's fairy tale.....and exonerate Leroy....simples.

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Fri 26 Jan 2018, 11:57 am

Thanks Barto,

Great stuff!

Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:16 pm

Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part B - Page 7 Frazie10

What a lying hound! There was never a sack, at least not the one described in this photo. Period!
Oswald and Frazier were never together in the parking lot that Friday morning.

It's all theatre on Fraziers part.
I don't know why he keeps the performance up.....

Sheilds and Givens were certain to have seen Oswald with a sack if he was actually with Frazier, the fact not one of them spoke of seeing Oswald with Frazier that morning is a clue to Frazier's deceit.

IMO the sack story was invented by the Randles aka Linnie Mae, possibly Ruth and even Bill before Friday.I'm not certain Frazier was in on it. ( certainly told to be in on it later that day though, maybe around 2.00pm when he went MIA) The fact that Linnie Mae approached the Paine's house at some time around 2.30pm-3.00pm and dumped on Lee and her own brother is enough for me to Call out Linnie Mae Randle as a witting participant in the frame of Lee Oswald.

IMO Frazier absolutely confirms Oswald is on those steps with him just after the shots were fired in the way he describes who it is not from the viewing of the Darnell PM pic. Not a stranger, not Lovelady (theres your answer right there). PM = Oswald. Frazier all but says so.

Frazier is hiding shit, He lied. I know he did, I've spent hundreds of hours going through his statements, his WC testimonies his Shaw Court appearance, his media interviews.....he's not a good liar. theirs more holes in his stuff than a piece of swiss cheese.

Food for thought, Linnie Mae and possibly Bill Randle were in on the framing of Oswald.... telescopic sights, missing all day Friday at least until 7.00pm, trips to Austin, Linnie Mae dumping on Lee (when clearly there was no sack) and in effect dumping on her own brother.....and ask yourself this, if there is no sack, why did/would she go to the Paine's house to lag on Lee, why? We know that answer. Those hours after the assassination Frazier was MIA. I believe shitting himself as Linnie Mae unfurled the story of the curtain rods, the sack and the ride into work that morning.

Speculation of course!

Sat 27 Jan 2018, 3:56 am

Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part B - Page 7 Img_0910

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Sat 27 Jan 2018, 3:47 pm

Mick Purdy wrote:

What a lying hound! There was never a sack, at least not the one described in this photo. Period!
Oswald and Frazier were never together in the parking lot that Friday morning.

It's all theatre on Fraziers part.
I don't know why he keeps the performance up.....

Sheilds and Givens were certain to have seen Oswald with a sack if he was actually with Frazier, the fact not one of them spoke of seeing Oswald with Frazier that morning is a clue to Frazier's deceit.

IMO the sack story was invented by the Randles aka Linnie Mae, possibly Ruth and even Bill before Friday.I'm not certain Frazier was in on it. ( certainly told to be in on it later that day though, maybe around 2.00pm when he went MIA) The fact that Linnie Mae approached the Paine's house at some time around 2.30pm-3.00pm and dumped on Lee and her own brother is enough for me to Call out Linnie Mae Randle as a witting participant in the frame of Lee Oswald.

IMO Frazier absolutely confirms Oswald is on those steps with him just after the shots were fired in the way he describes who it is not from the viewing of the Darnell PM pic. Not a stranger, not Lovelady (theres your answer right there). PM = Oswald. Frazier all but says so.

Frazier is hiding shit, He lied. I know he did, I've spent hundreds of hours going through his statements, his WC testimonies his Shaw Court appearance, his media interviews.....he's not a good liar. theirs more holes in his stuff than a piece of swiss cheese.

Food for thought, Linnie Mae and possibly Bill Randle were in on the framing of Oswald.... telescopic sights, missing all day Friday at least until 7.00pm, trips to Austin, Linnie Mae dumping on Lee (when clearly there was no sack) and in effect dumping on her own brother.....and ask yourself this, if there is no sack, why did/would she go to the Paine's house to lag on Lee, why? We know that answer. Those hours after the assassination Frazier was MIA. I believe shitting himself as Linnie Mae unfurled the story of the curtain rods, the sack and the ride into work that morning.

Speculation of course!

I agree with you, Mick. Wesley is a troubled man. He's carrying an enormous burden. You speculate, yes, but it's learned speculation based on hard facts. That's how solid forensic theories are developed that lead to solving crimes.

Sun 28 Jan 2018, 12:18 pm

"Dorothy Roberts, told them that "Willie Randle" had driven Oswald to work that morning. She apparently didn't know that it was Wesley Frazier who drove Oswald to work that morning."

As I keep rereading this, and ponder the Where's your rider thread and take on board the Shanklin Report which has a sighting of Lee Oswald at around 7.45-50 am (which I realise some may disregard) in the Domino room and Shield's testimony having Wesley Frazier on his own in the car parking lot at just after 8.00am, I cannot help but suppose this really does support the idea that some body other than Frazier drove Lee to work on Friday morning.

Unless I'm totally off base here, there really can only be 2 candidates to my way of thinking.

To my mind it could have only been two others who had an opportunity to drive Lee to work. To my mind it had to be either Bill "Willie" Randle or Ruth Paine.

It was Oswald's normal routine to wait at the Paine household for his lift to work and I believe this was no different that Friday morning.

As has been pointed out here on numerous occasions the official story created many firsts for Oswald on that Friday. With good cause in my opinion. The alleged trudging over to the Randle house , breaking routine and carrying a long sack long enough to carry a rifle, was an invention to cause maximum damage to Oswald's defence.

I believe Lee waited as normal for his lift and was told that Frazier was running very late and that either Bill Randle collected Lee from the Paine's house or Ruth Paine herself drove Oswald into work that morning.

Dorothy Roberts supports the idea that it may have been Randle whom drove Lee to work, while Oswald himself may have given us clue if his last words in the interrogations can be believed, when he's alleged to have said

"That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Ruth Paine. Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it. I told you people I did. . . .

Either way I believe very strongly that it's one of these two whom drove Oswald to work. The why is the intriguing part.

I've come full circle on this, the next question is why didn't / wouldn't / couldn't Frazier drive Oswald to work as per usual?

Of course Frazier could have overslept, simple enough. I suspect not though.

Tue 30 Jan 2018, 12:18 am

Mick, more than anything I wish I had a time machine to go back and check out that day. I have a feeling the reality does not in the least match the WC fiction... at ANY point.

I think we are closer to the truth than ever before. If we could only figure out the last few puzzle pieces.

Tue 30 Jan 2018, 9:32 am

Terry W. Martin wrote:Mick, more than anything I wish I had a time machine to go back and check out that day. I have a feeling the reality does not in the least match the WC fiction... at ANY point.

I think we are closer to the truth than ever before. If we could only figure out the last few puzzle pieces.

I'm with you Terry.

And yes, we are much closer to the truth than I think we imagine. It's just a few pesky little pieces of that puzzle left to be unravelled.

Tue 30 Jan 2018, 9:41 am

Thinking out loud, I have been trying to fathom why Buell seems so tormented, why has he constantly lied over the journey, why has his demeanour been so beaten. I've always suspected he was hiding something, but until quite recently always suspected he was involved in the framing of Lee Oswald wittingly.

Just recently I have been re reading the rider thread, and Linnie Mae Randles testimony and interviews have struck a chord for me.

Call it intuition or just gut feel, but I'm more than ever, convinced she was into the frame up to her neck. And possibly the husband too.

Maybe all of these years, Wesley has been protecting someone. Someone other than himself. I always had assumed the BS was to protect himself from what he'd done....but the more I ponder this the more I'm inclined to conclude he was protecting his sister and his Brother in law.

It fits like a glove for me and would explain an awful lot about his behaviour.

Just thinking out loud.

Wed 31 Jan 2018, 1:38 pm

Mick Purdy wrote:Thinking out loud, I have been trying to fathom why Buell seems so tormented, why has he constantly lied over the journey, why has his demeanour been so beaten. I've always suspected he was hiding something, but until quite recently always suspected he was involved in the framing of Lee Oswald wittingly.

Just recently I have been re reading the rider thread, and Linnie Mae Randles testimony and interviews have struck a chord for me.

Call it intuition or just gut feel, but I'm more than ever, convinced she was into the frame up to her neck. And possibly the husband too.

Maybe all of these years, Wesley has been protecting someone. Someone other than himself. I always had assumed the BS was to protect himself from what he'd done....but the more I ponder this the more I'm inclined to conclude he was protecting his sister and his Brother in law.

It fits like a glove for me and would explain an awful lot about his behaviour.

Just thinking out loud.

It's a fair point you raise Mick. And i would go along until........how did LHO get to the TT?. And why would he be worried about a long dead sibling who regarded him as an ass.

Wed 31 Jan 2018, 4:57 pm

steely dan wrote:

Mick Purdy wrote:Thinking out loud, I have been trying to fathom why Buell seems so tormented, why has he constantly lied over the journey, why has his demeanour been so beaten. I've always suspected he was hiding something, but until quite recently always suspected he was involved in the framing of Lee Oswald wittingly.

Just recently I have been re reading the rider thread, and Linnie Mae Randles testimony and interviews have struck a chord for me.

Call it intuition or just gut feel, but I'm more than ever, convinced she was into the frame up to her neck. And possibly the husband too.

Maybe all of these years, Wesley has been protecting someone. Someone other than himself. I always had assumed the BS was to protect himself from what he'd done....but the more I ponder this the more I'm inclined to conclude he was protecting his sister and his Brother in law.

It fits like a glove for me and would explain an awful lot about his behaviour.

Just thinking out loud.

It's a fair point you raise Mick. And i would go along until........how did LHO get to the TT?. And why would he be worried about a long dead sibling who regarded him as an ass.

You raise more than fair points Steely, and I don't know why Frazier behaves the way he does.

He hasn't as far as I can tell come into any substantial money after the assassination, so I don't think he's on the take. But I keep going over and over why has he lied, and so blatantly. And yes , why would he worry after Linnie passed? Good point.

And yes regarded him as an ass, and by my reckoning did not give a shite about him either. Linnie Mae dumped on Leroy for sure and IMO dumped on Wes at the same time, ("Oh look my brother took the Commie prick into the building with a package large enough to carry a rifle") and I'm certain that's what the MIA was all about with Wes after the event.....She was drivin' that bus (PTP) imo.

She was calling the shots Smile

she told Wesley what to say and what to think.....And I'm certain her relationship with Ruth was much more than an occasional coffee...just thinking out loud.

Linnie Mae would be IMO a key person of interest should ever this case be reinvestigated Pity she's dead though....Dead people don't talk but testimony says as much....hows this for sisterly love.....I don't believe for a second Wes drove Lee to work and there was never a sack.

So she says to the cops "oh look my brother took the commie bastard into work with a package which possibly could conceal a rifle, oh and by the way I can tell you where my suspicious brother might be too"...what a piece of work

Of course I could be wrong

Thu 26 Apr 2018, 11:49 am

SHIELDS: I think Charles Givens hollered out there and asked Frazier where was his rider and he told him: "I dropped him off at the building." Yeah, that was it...Well, I was down on the floor when they hollered out and said and the answer he gave them, I don't know, I think he said: "I dropped him off at the building." Now, whoever it was hollering asked him, I don't know.

DAY: This is the morning of the assassination?

SHIELDS: Mm-hmm.

DAY: Somebody hollered out the window and say: "Where is your rider?" And to your recollection, Frazier says, "I dropped him off at the building."

SHIELDS: Yes.

DAY: Alright. The day of the assassination, did you see Oswald come to work with Frazier?

SHIELDS: No, I didn’t.

In my opinion Wes is caught in another lie here. The Shanklin report of Givens whereabouts on Friday morning lines up perfectly with what I believe actually transpired in that parking lot Friday regarding Wes and Lee's separate arrival to work.In the Shanklin report Givens is said to be in the Domino room at 7.45-7.50am and has sighted lee Oswald in there at that time.

Then in the Shields interview for the HSCA it is claimed Shields and Given's are at the Northern warehouse at about 8.00am. This is where Shields remembers seeing Frazier on his own without Oswald.

In my opinion the timing does not compute for Frazier's claim that he dropped Oswald off at the building.

The timeline for Oswald sitting in the Domino Room well ahead of Fraziers arrival matches perfectly however with Shanklin's report and Shields interview in my opinion.

Think about that.

Thu 26 Apr 2018, 3:05 pm

Could Ruth have perhaps given Oswald to work a lift that day?

Thu 26 Apr 2018, 4:16 pm

Vinny wrote:Could Ruth have perhaps given Oswald to work a lift that day?

Hi Vinny,

If you subscribe to the idea, or at least are open to the notion that Oswald arrived separately to Frazier for work that Friday morning (as per Where's your rider thread) then I would agree that it could be a number of people whom could have taken Oswald to work that morning. I'm leaning toward Bill Randle. But of course it could've been Ruth Paine no doubt.
I'm relying on the Schneiders and Dorothy Roberts for my position on this. Remember the Schneiders told Postal inspector Holmes that Roberts had claimed she had seen Willie Randle driving Oswald that morning. Geographically that also makes sense, if as I believe Randle picked Oswald up from the Paines house that morning then that fits like a glove for Roberts to have sighted the pair from 2519 W 5th two doors up from the Paine residence. Of course this could be wrong, I'm convinced Frazier did not drive Oswald to work. As far as we know he did not get a cab, did not get to work by bus, did not walk, so we are left with the lift. If not Frazier then either Randle, Linnie Mae, or Ruth Paine are in my opinion candidates. Because of the above, I'm going with Bill Randle. There are black marks against him already and his wife Linnie Mae too. I think in time we will come to learn that it was not just the Paine's household which were involved in implicating Lee Oswald in the assassination. I'm not convinced in the slightest in the coincidence of Frazier coming to Irving and finding work at the TSBD just weeks ahead of Oswald finding employment there too. The word recruitment comes to mind.

Mon 30 Apr 2018, 2:50 am

Good points,Mick. i do hope that Frazier will come clean someday.

Mon 30 Apr 2018, 1:01 pm

Personally Vinny I believe Linnie Mae Randle is complicit in the framing of Oswald. Remember, she is the only person that we know of who puts a bag long enough to carry a rifle in Oswald's hands on the streets of Irving.

She alone is the only person to describe Oswald's movements as he came to their house, she alone is the only person to see Oswald at the carport placing the bag in the vehicle and she alone volunteered that information at around 2.30-2.40pm to the police at the Paine's house.

She had driven up to the Paines house to do this. As she lived about 3 houses away from that location- one has to wonder where she had driven from. Certainly not from her own residence. And remember to the best of my recollection,Frazier had been MIA since around 1.50pm

Where had Linnie Mae Randle been?

Where was Frazier?

Frazier was the only person we know of who placed Oswald in the parking lot with a bag in his hands large enough to carry a rifle. He describes the bag being carried vertically, the bottom cupped in his hand. He and Linnie Mae are the only people whom placed that bag in Frazier's car.

Bill Randle was placed in Austin Texas at 7.00pm but only because he'd checked into a Motel at that time. It's just over a 3 hour drive from Irving to Austin.
Randle could easily have left at anytime from Irving that Friday. As late as 3.30pm.

For mine, any trial which involved Oswald as the accused had he lived would have / should have included all three and I'm tipping they would have spent a very very long time in the witness box and faced ferocious cross examination.

Fri 28 Sep 2018, 11:30 pm

Thanks to Malcolm Blunt for the following set, the annotations are the nuggets here.

Buell Wesley Frazier: "Where’s your Rider?" Part B - Page 7 Doc12010

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Fri 05 Oct 2018, 9:46 am

Mr. FRAZIER: Usually, I usually leave not any later than 7:25. I usually try to leave about 7:20, and if you leave at 7:20 you usually get around there, by the time you get down to the parking lot now it is usually pretty close to 5 minutes to 8 and that gives you enough time to walk to the Book Depository, put up your lunch and take off your coat.

So Wesley carried his lunch into work and wore a coat. I wonder how large his lunch sack was which he most likely carried on 22nd November as he walked through the parking lot, and I'm wondering also how large his coat might have been too. I'm wondering if if he might have carried something other than his lunch into work that day. Just curious!

Tue 30 Jul 2019, 12:30 am

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