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The Voice Of Buell Frazier

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Sun 14 Mar 2021, 11:08 am
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A time stamp for the apprehension of Frazier at the hospital.
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Sun 14 Mar 2021, 11:28 am
Mick I believe the time LMR arrived was later then 3pm. Frazier let slip in his HSCA interview that Linnie and his mother were home when he arrived after leaving the TSBD. I believe when Oswald was named they took off and eventually Buell (or both) went to the hospital. Buell also said in his HSCA interview that the cops visited his mother after he left. He claimed there that she told them he was at the hospital.

As for Adamcik below is the relevant page of his report of the day. Strangely no mention of LMR. That encounter appears in the joint report that I believe was written by Rose and Stovall.

When you read that report it seems like they frame shifted an hour or so to all the times. Who think that when LMR rolled up she had just left Buell? My point in this is, who mentioned the package first? The existence of CE142 as a possible gun wrapper was known sometime between 2pm and 3pm. Was that information passed through to the Paine's? Were the women asked about a package at that time?

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Sun 14 Mar 2021, 11:55 am
The relevant section from the Rose Stovall Adamcik Report.

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Seems LMR was suspicious, strange as she was aware that Lee was supposedly on an unusual mission to pick up curtain rods. Seems like both brother and sister had memory loss that morning.
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Sun 14 Mar 2021, 3:12 pm
Colin_Crow wrote:Mick I believe the time LMR arrived was later then 3pm. Frazier let slip in his HSCA interview that Linnie and his mother were home when he arrived after leaving the TSBD. I believe when Oswald was named they took off and eventually Buell (or both) went to the hospital. Buell also said in his HSCA interview that the cops visited his mother after he left. He claimed there that she told them he was at the hospital.

As for Adamcik below is the relevant page of his report of the day. Strangely no mention of LMR. That encounter appears in the joint report that I believe was written by Rose and Stovall.

When you read that report it seems like they frame shifted an hour or so to all the times. Who think that when LMR rolled up she had just left Buell? My point in this is, who mentioned the package first? The existence of CE142 as a possible gun wrapper was known sometime between 2pm and 3pm. Was that information passed through to the Paine's? Were the women asked about a package at that time?

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Thanks for this Colin,

I'll have to go back and have a re-read of the Where's your Rider thread. That has all of the relevant docs in the thread.
I do remember finding something which supported the scenario of LMR meeting with Police earlier than Adamcik suggests in his report. I'll try and dig all those docs up and post here.

Why would Wesley be confused about what he did after leaving the TSBD? Why would he misremember what he did immediately after the assassination? Why would LMR confuse the hospital when she informed Police where Buell was located?

As I have said before why would she insist on a large sack, carton or package carried by Oswald when the evidence points to him not having done that.
Is it merely CYA or something else?


If Linnie Mae went to the Hospital to visit the Stepfather, did she end up going to Parkland by mistake? I find it inconceivable that LMR would not know which hospital the stepfather was in. He'd been in there for about a week if memory serves. 
You raise valid points Colin and I'll see if I can't get to the bottom of most of them. I'm curious again.

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Tue 16 Mar 2021, 10:17 am
Part of that video was an excerpt from the 1964 documentary “Four Days in November” which shows the view the assassin had of Elm St. and described it as “excellent”.

However, the view presented was filmed from ... the Dal-Tex building.
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Tue 23 Mar 2021, 10:24 am
Excerpt: Voice of Buell Frazier. Credit Vinny




In Frazier’s opinion, his childhood had ended at age ten, when his stepfather put him to work doing whatever it took to pay his room and board —twenty dollars a week. Occasionally, Frazier’s mother managed to persuade her husband to give her son a quarter from what he had earned. The boy knew that if he did not have the twenty dollars at the end of the week, he
would have no place to sleep. At such a young age, he was limited in the types of jobs he could do. So, Frazier performed odd jobs around town and mowed lawns from dawn to dusk, no matter how hot it was.


“I remember a nice lady offering me a Mason jar of sweet tea one hot afternoon,” he said quietly, “but my stepfather happened to walk around the corner of her house as she was handing it to me.” He berated the boy for stopping long enough to drink a glass of tea, and when the woman told him of her insistence, the stepfather made it clear that his stepson was to do only what his stepfather told him to do.


This wasn’t the first time neighbors objected to the way the stepfather treated Frazier; another man gave the stepfather a piece of his mind on finding out that the boy kept only fifty cents from what he was paid for mowing the large lawn. Once again, the stepfather was adamant that he controlled his household. Frazier finally convinced the people trying to help him that it would be worse for him at home if they said anything in his defense.


School was not a priority to Frazier’s stepfather, but it was to his stepson.As soon as Buell Wesley Frazier left school each day, he was expected to work at a diner near Sam Houston State University. The grill did not close until midnight, so that is when the boy headed home each evening, knowing he had homework that needed to be completed. He also knew that he dare not turn on a single light in the house because it would awaken his stepfather. 



He did as much homework as he could by moonlight. “I might be able to stay awake thirty minutes or so, but then I would just fall asleep and I had to get up at 6:00 in the morning to feed the animals and help with chores around the house.” Frazier lived in fear of his stepfather’s temper and what would happen to him if he crossed him. Sleeping late was never an option.


Frazier’s stepfather was not the only frightening individual in the young man’s life. He also knew “Pete” Kay, who was, along with his father, an important figure in the Dixie Mafia. According to Frazier, they offered him the chance to become a member of the “family.” By then, Frazier had already met one group member, a man so heartless that locking eyes with him made his blood run cold. Frazier identified this man as Charles Harrelson; others who knew Harrelson also commented on how coldly he could stare down someone. Frazier decided to take his sister’s advice and not take up the offer.



This would the same man - the stepfather who Frazier claims he rushed off to visit in hospital immediately after the assassination. 
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Tue 23 Mar 2021, 12:17 pm
Something wrong with that picture eh Mick?

He was a kid who understood mob mentality and how to keep his mouth shut. I think he still does.

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Wed 24 Mar 2021, 7:42 pm
Exactly Mick. He seems to have no love lost for his step father. Quite a miserable childhood he seems to have had.

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Tue 10 Aug 2021, 7:17 pm
This would the same man - the stepfather who Frazier claims he rushed off to visit in hospital immediately after the assassination.


Here is how he explains it in his book.


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Tue 10 Aug 2021, 9:08 pm
I wonder if anyone from the hospital has ever confirmed any of that happened.

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 Frazier lived in fear of his stepfather’s temper and what would happen to him if he crossed him. 



Frazier’s stepfather was not the only frightening individual in the young man’s life. He also knew “Pete” Kay, who was, along with his father, an important figure in the Dixie Mafia. According to Frazier, they offered him the chance to become a member of the “family.” 



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Let this sink in.

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Wed 11 Aug 2021, 11:16 pm
Exactly Mick. Something quite fishy.

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Thu 12 Aug 2021, 1:11 pm
Most people in cars had the radio on and were in a mad rush to get to a place they could watch TV. But Buel decided to go out of his way to make his mom happy. Maybe on a different day.

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Thu 12 Aug 2021, 7:32 pm
For his own peace of mind, Frazier located a rifle with a serial number only a few digits off from the serial number on the rifle Oswald was accused of using to kill the President. He dismantled it and wrapped it in brown paper so he and his sister could compare the size with the way they remembered Oswald’s package looking on that Friday.


“It was obviously still too long,” he said. “Lee could not have carried even a dismantled rifle like that one under his arm.” Frazier’s sister agreed.



SO... begs the questions did this happen on 11/22 with a Enfield of Buells... so Buell was off the hook if they agreed on a too short size for the Enfield


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