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Tue 25 May 2021, 7:38 pm
After spending the best part of the year cruising Middle Earth's swingingest hotspots, breaking many a lady Hobbit's heart( and a lot of wind too...Cousin Jemima will persist in adding extra cabbage and roughage to her famous homemade goulash), and if the undercover operatives of the Shire's controversial  fundamentalist anti elf Family Values cooperative society Keep Our Kountry Klean, or K.O.K.K, as it's better known, amongst the radical " Hobbit's Only" underground, are to be believed, our goateed chum spent a lot of his time with his big furry Hobbity arse warming the waiting room chairs and consulting couches of the Shire's leading venereal disease specialists....after that unfortunate encounter with a half orc prostitute , outside HARVEY'S Rest... An infamous strip club in Middle Earth's red light district...everyone's favourite hobbity huckster is back in town!!!

That's right!! Jimbo Baggins is back...

The greatest comeback since his great uncle Herb Baggins, Honshu's Horniest Hobbit crawled out of his smouldering hobbit hole, round the back end of Hiroshima Hill.. looking at the vapourised ruins of the city, he turned to his faithful apprentice, Randy Sandy O, " We'll move to Nagasaki!! I hear there's lotsa horny little hobbits there!!!"

They say change is the only true sign of life...as we change we grow, broadening our minds , and our horizons..

By learning from our mistakes we not only gain wisdom and insight, we also learn more about ourselves...

The Great British mystic/ poet/ engraver/ artist/ visionary William Blake once wrote,:" the road of excess leads to the Palace of Wisdom"

Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

Regardless of the statement's veracity i'd like to paraphrase it, adding a coda of my own...

" The road that leads to the Palace of Wisdom is paved with errors. It is the fool who refuses to see those errors for what they are"

Anyone can make mistakes, it's part of growing up, mistakes can often deepen our understanding of ourselves, and the world around us...

Ultimately you cannot learn simply by listening. You have to learn by experience, learn by making your own mistakes...

If madness is repeating the same action over and over, expecting a different outcome, then surely the true meaning of folly is to make the same mistake over and over again without learning from it...

Jimbo Baggins is back...with his mouth wide open and his mind slammed tight... impervious to reason.

He obviously doesn't give a fuck about the assassination. He may as well be on QVC or some ghastly low budget shopping channel, trying to flog dodgy vacuum cleaners to the oxycontin deadened housewifes ( and househusbands) of middle Earth ( and middle America)

He has no shame, no respect for the subject, his fellow members and lurkers, but most of all he has absolutely no respect for himself..

What he is doing is an absolute disgrace. 

It's just the same old shite...the vaguely aggressive hucksterism spiced up with paeans to paranoid populism...attempting to exploit the incipient anti government mindset that predominates.

No attempt to answer the questions asked by Jeremy, RC-D and others... it's just the same old spiel....Bolton Ford..

I've become completely disillusioned with the whole subject. 99% of so called " assassination research" is a complete fucking joke..

The vast majority of the " leading researchers" are an embarrassment. Their " research" is amateurish, at best.

I'm afraid we're all just chasing shadows, chasing ghosts across a deserted battlefield... unable to accept that the war was lost decades ago...

I can hardly bring myself to read anymore of the garbage they churn out..

I don't think I'm overexaggarating, or being needlessly melodramatic, but what he's attempting to do, in my opinion, is nothing short of scandalous...

Any genuine researcher welcomes sincere criticism, as it enables them to refine their hypothesis/ theory.. 

This crowd on the other hand simply ignore any criticism, attempting to brass neck or bullshit their way out...

Over 20 years have passed...has the " theory" been refined? The central premise developed? Have new witnesses stepped forward? Claiming to have met HARVEY or LEE?

Where did LEE and mysterious Marge go post assassination?

Absolutely no new work has been done....apart from Armstrongs increasingly surrealistic essays.... the " two Stephens" work made Dali, Bunuel and Man Ray look like pinstripe suit wearing accountants..



And La Chien Andalus the latest installment of Disney's Frozen saga...

IMHO Jimbo Baggins is nothing more than a con artist. He doesn't give a fuck about the assassination, or history....for whatever reason he seems determined to reel as many suckers in as he can...

What they attempted to do to the magic tooth photo, not to mention the Frankenstein Oswald photo and the Bronx Zoo HARVEY schnozzle was utterly despicable.

It's not the theory that angers me. I'm pretty certain LHO WAS indeed impersonated, albeit on a strictly ad hoc basis..

It's the sheer dishonesty, hypocrisy and blatant lack of respect, not to mention the derisory " evidence" that's been continuously vomited up...
Baggins and his erstwhile guru, for whatever reason, are playing the so called research community for suckers...

They're fucking hucksters of the lowest order....anyone who attempts to profit from a tragedy like the assassination can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned..

Fuck Jimbo Baggins and his cheapjack hustlers shtick...he's a disgrace and an embarrassment...

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Artist, poet, polymath, cancer research prodigy Judyth Vary Baker's  first words to Lee HARVEY Oswald. New Orleans April 1963

For every HARVEY there must be an equal and opposite LEE
Professor Sandy Isaac Newton Laverne Shirley Fonzie Larsen's 
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" To answer your question I  ALWAYS  look for mundane reasons for seeming anomalies before considering  sinister explanations. Only a fool would do otherwise. And I'm no fool" The esteemed Professor Larsen  From  his soon to be published  self help book " The Trough of Enlightenment "( Trine Day  Foreword  Vince Palamara)

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Thu 27 May 2021, 10:04 pm
Reading the latest pronouncements from the likes of Lifton and Baggins ; the unyielding stubbornness and almost wilful defiance of facts and logic, I'm beginning to understand why some of the brightest and best  researchers gave up on researching the assassination...

Maybe we all are deluding ourselves. The war is over. It was won decades ago. The world has moved on. What happened that day in Dealey Plaza is no longer relevant. At best it's a vaguely interesting historical curiosity, the generations born after '63 feeling no real connection to the world as it was then. The grainy black and white images; of a racist good ole boy bumpkin like Henry Wade, or Lt Day, holding the Carcano up in a hallway teeming with news reporters and stony faced detectives in their 12 gallon hats, are as distant and as unreal as the sepia tinted daguerreotypes of Generals Lee and Grant....

Or the fading pictures of the bloated corpses scattered across the battlefield of Gettysburg..

Nothing but echoes of a vanished age...glimpses of a sunken kingdom...an Atlantis devoured by the restless careless waves...

Reading Lifton and Baggins latest filled me with utter hopelessness. As did the subsequent comments.

20 years of H and L and, God help us, over 40 years of Lifton's necrotic fantasising has all but alienated the most enquiring minds of the subsequent generations. The children and grandchildren of the people who once flocked to the case: young professionals etc, now by and large treat it with contempt. In a bizarre historical volte face the original Warren Commission verdict, the Warren Commission lie, has become the de facto skeptics position. They treat conspiracy theorists the way Warren Commission defenders were once treated...

Perhaps it's generational, the children often rebel against their parents beliefs, as a means of demonstrating their independence...but I think itsi mainly due to the failure of the established " research community" of the 80s and especially the 90s to build upon the work of their predecessors....From Lifton, Jack White, Fetzer and Armstrong onwards research became nothing more than low intensity slapstick...Increasingly ridiculous theories peddled by increasingly ridiculous buffoons...

They've trivialised and marginalized the subject so much, transforming it into a fertile ground for would be cult leaders and hustlers, in the process transforming the study of the assassination into something akin to Nessie hunting or chasing big hairy bipedal relic hominids through the forests of the Pacific Northwest...

For every Jeremy B , for every RC D and for every core ROKCer there's at least a hundred of them. 

By " them" I mean the absolute fucking dross. Unthinking zombies who'll believe any old shite...maybe that's a tad harsh...but just look at the cavalcade of zoomers and fraudsters that have hurtled across the starry firmament of JFK trooferdom...James Files, Loy Factor, H and L, Juddufki, Chauncey Holt....we've  had faked Oswalds, faked films faked Marguerites, fake JFKs, Greer didit, Aliens didit...not forgetting Beverley Oliver, Gordon Arnold, Otto Skorzeny on the grassy knoll and God knows how many covens of conspiring Jews...

Only in the " JFK assassination research community" would a blatant con artist like Judyth Vary Baker be welcomed...not only welcomed ; now her and her huckster publishers are the leading conference impresarios....with the best and the brightest of the community jostling to share a podium with someone who should be receiving psychiatric treatment or be under investigation for fraud..

Nowhere else I would a socially inept third rate academic like Fetzer be hailed as some sort of spokesman/ consensus builder...

The horrible truth is the vast majority of the people who are attracted to this case now are   the type of people who want easy answers. The type of people who seek comfort and reassurance, that the world isn't really all that cruel and uncaring, that a small cabal of godlike sponsors really do control everything...from assassinations to plandemics... The type of people who want their quasi religious paranoid world view confirmed...

That there was a cabal with the prescience and the foresight , not to mention the power, to alter every photo and home movie of the assassination.. not only that they could conjure up doppelgangers from thin air. Their notion of conspirators has definite religious overtones... omniscient omnipotent omnipresent...able to defy the laws of physics as easily as they defied the law of the State of Texas...

Unfortunately , after decades of Lifton, Fetzer, Jack White and Armstrong the type of person who buys that shite, the type of person who will aggressively defend it, impervious to logic, reason or basic epistemology ... indulging in starry eyed fantasies, believing they are engaged in some Herculean struggle with nefarious online disinfo agents...instead of swapping non sequiturs with some retired high school teacher from New Jersey...

The case has been hijacked and politicised too, the culture warriors on both sides using the LN and CT positions as trenches to snipe at each other...

In the past century, with the rise of mass communications and the widespread use of propaganda, in all the major political questions, inevitably it's boiled down to a battle of extremists...

The moderate, rational voices being drowned out by the garish cacophony...in defiance of one of the great historical truisms: the truth is invariably found somewhere in between...

The extremists on both sides of the so called assassination debate have triumphed... because like their philosophical, theological and political brothers and sisters they deal primarily in emotions. Their arguments often defying both fact and logic.. Using highly divisive " them and us" rhetoric 

Thus we have the likes of Lifton, Baggins and Jeffries exchanging shrill polemics with the likes of Six Gun Stevie Roe and the malodorous renegades who frequent Stinky Mac's Imaginarium...

The voices of sanity and reason... the Jeremy Bs , the RC Ds and the core ROKCers are drowned out by the profane antics of the intellectual vandals on both sides...the militant troofers and shock troops of some post Trump dystopian hell...

Maybe I'm being ridiculously naïve...a case so politically charged and emotive never really had a chance...it was always destined to become an extremist playground...righ r from the start , when Mark Lane was smeared as some sort of commie stooge..

Witting or not the likes of Lifton, Fetzer and their latter day heirs have done irreparable damage to the way the case is perceived.... They've dragged it into the tabloid gutter, successfully marginalising it, attracting, for the most part, people who are drawn to such lurid psychodramas, or tawdry political theatrics... Lifton's ghoulish persona , the vulpine gleam behind his bifocals as he launches into a highly detailed monologue... centring on the most macabre aspects... talking about head wounds and body switching the way people used to discuss Michelangelo and coffee spoons...

What chance do the Larry Hs, Gregs and other serious historical researchers have of being taken seriously when the go to talking heads, on both the mainstream and alternative media are the likes of Roger Stone, Don Jeffries, Judyth Vary Baker, Jim Fetzer etc etc etc??

Sorry for the rant folks, I don't mean to bore you, but reading the latest posts, and more importantly, the responses just emphasised the sheer futility of trying to make any sort of progress.. 

I can't understand it...these are reasonably intelligent adults, most of whom have , or have had, successful careers ...but yet somehow they become enamoured with a load of fantastical nonsense any self respecting high school history student would laugh at..

Lifton's notion of what constitutes a " real world conspiracy" is utterly bizarre, not to mention illogical...but yet there he is... preaching and proselytising.... and his pronouncements are greeted with a breathless chorus of " Amen DSL"..

Likewise our goateed huckster chum...no shame, no respect and absolutely no self awareness...

Pimping his nonsensical " theory" using every deceptive underhanded trick in the book....


Last edited by alex_wilson on Fri 28 May 2021, 6:19 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Remove the teenage histrionics)

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Is that a doppelganger in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?
Artist, poet, polymath, cancer research prodigy Judyth Vary Baker's  first words to Lee HARVEY Oswald. New Orleans April 1963

For every HARVEY there must be an equal and opposite LEE
Professor Sandy Isaac Newton Laverne Shirley Fonzie Larsen's 
Famous 1st Law of Doppelganging

" To answer your question I  ALWAYS  look for mundane reasons for seeming anomalies before considering  sinister explanations. Only a fool would do otherwise. And I'm no fool" The esteemed Professor Larsen  From  his soon to be published  self help book " The Trough of Enlightenment "( Trine Day  Foreword  Vince Palamara)

" Once you prove Davidson's woman's face then Stanton's breasts follow naturally " Brian Doyle
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Fri 28 May 2021, 2:47 pm
I do hope you won't leave us. At least visit and post occasionally.

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Fri 28 May 2021, 7:06 pm
Thanks Vinny. 

I guess I must have been feeling a little " tired and emotional" yesterday, allowing my anger and frustration to get the better of me...

To all of you who had the mind numbing, cringe enducing " pleasure" of reading through what was little more than a petulant outburst I can only offer you my sincere apologies..

Watching grown men and women flounce off internet forums in high dudgeon, pouting,  and promising to wreak terrible vengeance on their imagined tormentors , is perhaps the most ridiculous of the many ridiculous phenomena to be encountered on a voyage through the wild and wacky realm of online troofing...

I sincerely apologise for polluting this forum with such melodramatic adolescent goofiness... perhaps I should apply for a job as a scriptwriter on some hormone addled teenage soap opera!!! A Day in the life at Sanibel High School

Reading through the monomaniacal circle jerkery that passes for research, the absolute intolerance and refusal to countenance the possibility that a world outwith the conspiracy bubble actually exists...the turgid reworkings of the same old same old... I find it all so disillusioning...

 The research community as it stands is an exercise in futility and self delusion. It's devolved into a pas de deux of petty points scoring, teenage braggadocio and one upmanship..

Two tiny groups of self obsessed middle aged men, busily circle jerking up on the grassy knoll...the purple veins on their puce faces nearly popping as they desperately try to outjerk the other side... 

It's not about trying to discover what happened it's turned into a battle of egos and ideologies... I used to reckon Jim DiE was one of THE premier researchers/ writers...but now I'm not so sure. Did he really knowingly attempt to pass off the Silver Slipper in Vegas as the Silver Slipper in the Rose Cherami incident? I used to think his work on Garrison/ New Orleans was the watertight courtroom level proof of conspiratorial machinations, ensnaring Oswald and dooming him to his fate as history's most famous patsy ..but now I'm not so sure...

His lukewarm endorsement of the H and L fantasy is a gross miscalculation, likewise his willingness to endorse part of Ed Haslam's Southern Gothic fairy tale...

I apologise to you all for wasting your time. 

Of course there's far more to this case than the myopic junk peddled on other forums... Mostly I was angry at myself, for wasting my own time with a load of spurious nonsense...

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Is that a doppelganger in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?
Artist, poet, polymath, cancer research prodigy Judyth Vary Baker's  first words to Lee HARVEY Oswald. New Orleans April 1963

For every HARVEY there must be an equal and opposite LEE
Professor Sandy Isaac Newton Laverne Shirley Fonzie Larsen's 
Famous 1st Law of Doppelganging

" To answer your question I  ALWAYS  look for mundane reasons for seeming anomalies before considering  sinister explanations. Only a fool would do otherwise. And I'm no fool" The esteemed Professor Larsen  From  his soon to be published  self help book " The Trough of Enlightenment "( Trine Day  Foreword  Vince Palamara)

" Once you prove Davidson's woman's face then Stanton's breasts follow naturally " Brian Doyle
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Sun 30 May 2021, 10:06 pm
Hey Alex - have you ever thought about fighting the good fight and joining the EF to go all out on these folks you love to write about? Like Jeremy continues to do, like I used to do before being banned, like Greg, like Bart Camp still does?

I know folks here think you're a hoot and I personally don't get your humor but that's on me obviously. Maybe it's a UK/Australia humor thing that my 'Merican mind just can't wrap itself around (I live in Virginia, about 40 miles from JFK's grave and try to visit it whenever I'm down there. I also visit Medgar Evers's grave when I can).

I know you love to write here but it's always from a distance, like the guy standing 10 feet away egging people on during a bloody brawl. Just a thought...
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Mon 31 May 2021, 8:48 am
JFK_Case wrote:Hey Alex - have you ever thought about fighting the good fight and joining the EF to go all out on these folks you love to write about? Like Jeremy continues to do, like I used to do before being banned, like Greg, like Bart Camp still does?

I know folks here think you're a hoot and I personally don't get your humor but that's on me obviously. Maybe it's a UK/Australia humor thing that my 'Merican mind just can't wrap itself around (I live in Virginia, about 40 miles from JFK's grave and try to visit it whenever I'm down there. I also visit Medgar Evers's grave when I can).

I know you love to write here but it's always from a distance, like the guy standing 10 feet away egging people on during a bloody brawl. Just a thought...

How about you keeping your thoughts to yourself.
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Mon 31 May 2021, 1:09 pm
Give me "UK/Australian humor" over Hee Haw every damn day of the week.
This non-virtue-signaling American appreciates your writing and I'm glad there's room for lots of different approaches here.

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Mon 31 May 2021, 11:12 pm
Looks like I've upset a few of the Alex peanut gallery! Whew! LOL!
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Mon 31 May 2021, 11:43 pm
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How about you keeping your thoughts to yourself.
BTW.....it's Kamp with a K

So now what, Steely Dan? We're supposed to let some people post here and give them a pat on the back when they do, where if others disagree, we're supposed to be quiet? How rich because if there's anything I learned over on the EF, that's EXACTLY what the idiots over on the EF do when you don't agree with their nutty conspiracy theories.

I merely encouraged him to go over to EF and battle it out over there. Go up against the folks he loves to write about it here, but do so and maybe get his hands a little dirty. Funnily enough, if you take away all of the UK/Australia humor he throws into his post, which I totally don't understand because I'm a "Hee Haw" American, I agree with most everything he says. Jim Hargrove, Dave Josephs and their like are a total disgrace to the JFK murder research "community" and do nothing but make any real conspiracy of the case look ridiculous, which is unfortunate.
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Mon 31 May 2021, 11:55 pm
Sharon_Horizons wrote:Give me "UK/Australian humor" over Hee Haw every damn day of the week.
This non-virtue-signaling American appreciates your writing and I'm glad there's room for lots of different approaches here.

I never cared for Hee Haw, but I'm assuming you threw that in because I'm from Virginia. You must have never visited Virginia since I'm guessing you think everyone there are inbreds LOL.
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Tue 01 Jun 2021, 5:25 pm
I used to reckon Jim DiE was one of THE premier researchers/ writers


 In general I like and admire Jim D and his research. In recent years however he seems to be slipping up a bit. The quality of his work seems to have declined. Also he has posted on his site essays from people who are not entirely credible. It is sad to see.

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Tue 01 Jun 2021, 7:30 pm
Thanks Mr Dan and Ms Horizons, if anything I'm the one doing the languishing down in the peanut gallery. Anyone who understands the internal dynamics of this forum ( or who are the ones who really put the ROCK into ROKC) will know just how much both Steely and Sharon have contributed. In fact Steely is a true original, a great ROKCer....

I don't have the slightest problem with Mr Case disliking my style, that's his prerogative.. Humour is in the eye of the beholder. 

However what I do have a problem with is someone presuming to tell another poster what they should be posting.

If he'd actually read what i'd written, about folly , about making the same old mistake over and over again without learning from it, he maybe he would have thought twice before posting. 

Or maybe not.

He's obviously learned nothing from his experience on other forums. I agree with pretty much everything he said, and says , about the fucking clowns who are turning the study of this case into a grotesque circus. Maybe he should dust the chip off his shoulder. As long as they abide by the rules people have a right to post what they want, just as people have a right to criticize. 

But if that criticism barely rises above the level of a schoolyard taunt they should expect to be called out. 


To be honest I couldn't care. If it wasn't for Steely and Sharon's posts I wasn't going to bother replying. 

On the Ed Forum it was Chris , Fezzo and a couple of others. Now apparently it's my turn. Fair enough. 

I have only the utmost respect for Jeremy ( and RC D and another couple over there) and  what he does over there. There's no way I could keep my cool when confronted with such regressive idiocy.

For various reasons I wouldn't ever join the Ed forum..on a purely personal level, out of loyalty to my friend Greg, who was treated appallingly by the " moderators".. 

I have absolutely no respect at all for the owners and the vast majority of the members. Most of all, in all good conscience I couldn't join a forum that has the likes of Don Jeffries serving as a moderator.

A purveyor of the worst most cynically destructive Holocaust denier tropes. The type of empty headed troofing that gives all responsible critics a bad name...

If I was confronted with the hateful dross that's peddled there, the smug motherfuckers who think they know everything but say nothing, I couldn't hold my tongue. That's down to me...Mr Case may well have a point, perhaps I should join...IMHO Jeremy, RC D and others provide an invaluable service, a responsible, rational counterpoint to the wild wacky zaniness that's passes for research and, Armstrong help us, troof...

Whatever small talent I possess I prefer to use it to help this forum keep growing and developing. ROKC provides a platform , an oasis unencumbered by militant trooferism, where serious historical research is encouraged alongside satire...dealing serious topics doesn't necessarily mean you have to take yourself too seriously...in fact I think the po faced self righteousness of our chums just makes them look even more ridiculous. 

Mr Case is right, I do love posting here...why the fuck wouldn't i?...amongst  a group of researchers, writers and commentators, the creme de la crème in my opinion. Without a Butler, Larsen or Baggins in sight... Without having to negotiate my way through the steaming piles of dung, dodging the buzzing swarms of bloated flies. 

With a couple of honourable exceptions on other forums ( RC D Larry H and a couple of others) the core ROKCers are by some considerable distance the very best and brightest this disparate rag tag " community" has to offer...THIS is the place to be...

If a breakthrough is going to be made; if the suffocating decades old impenetrable pall of fog ..dead grey swirls of smugness complacency and delusion.... is ever going to be punctured, the light is going to come from here... Cutting through the sickly gloom like a lighthouse( Hey Jimbo why not check out what happened on Flannan Isle? Maybe the three lighthouse keepers were snatched by a squad of time travelling doppelganger hunters?)  Part of this forum's appeal is the  stunning diversity; the dazzling panoply of styles and talents on display. Cutting edge archival work, fearless , genuinely paradigm shifting research and analysis, astute commentary, a proper understanding, and application of historical research techniques, devastatingly incisive satire .. and perhaps most refreshing of all a sense of real drive and camaraderie...

I accept some of Mr Case's criticisms, I actually agree with some of them. I'm way too fucking loquacious and sometimes my attempts at humour detract from the real serious work that's being done here. I'm no researcher, I've never claimed to be, nor am I an archivist; but saying that, all false modesty aside, when it comes to history in general ( esp 20th century history) I'd back myself against anyone in this so called community...

Time and time again I've watched as self anointed experts make absolute cunts of themselves...a little bit of knowledge in the wrong hands can often lead to catastrophic results. 

There's nothing worse, nothing more embarrassing than a stupid person trying to appear intelligent... There's a couple of relative newbies ( just picture the brims of their 13 Inch cowboy hats slipping down over their vacant glassy eyes...it takes a while for the cranium to properly inflate) who believe they have it all worked out...Blinded by dogma and filled with the certainty of inexperience they are spraying absolutes around the way Lord Gordonicus sprays Agent Orange over the engorged purple veined stems of the baby Triffids he grows, along with specially modified Sanibel Gold plants, in his asbestos lined greenhouse...

I'm with ol' Socrates,on hearing the Oracle at Delphi( the priestesses, or pythia, apparently made their prognostications whilst out their heads on the hallucinogenic gases that allegedly seeped up through a crack in the rocks, the various prophecies were then rewritten into vague enigmatic verses by the priests... that allowed numerous interpretations. One of the most famous being the king who came seeking advice before launching an invasion of a neighbouring kingdom..." If you attack" the prophecy read" a great kingdom will be destroyed" ....indeed it was...his OWN kingdom) had anoited him the wisest of men ...he thought for a moment before answering with a rueful grin.." if I am wise it is because I know how little I know"

The more you learn, the more your mind is opened, you become aware of how little you really know....how little in fact it's possible to know...

As long as Greg and the core ROKCers are happy with me posting and contributing here I'll try my very best to keep posting...

And I agree completely Vinny, Jim DiE if not actually regressing seems unwilling ( or unable?) to develop his core understanding...he seems marooned in the mid 90s..in Probe magazine and the rosy glow of the post JFK upsurge in interest...

Did he really try to pass off the Silver Slipper in Vegas as the Silver Slipper in Louisiana??? Some of the sources he still relies on are at best highly dubious...

Worst of all he appears to have an unrealistic Manichean view of the case, of Garrison and of JFK himself, as a president and an individual...

Anyhoo I'll leave it there. I consider it a privilege to contribute to this forum...in my humble opinion it's by some considerable distance the leading assassination related forum..

Thanks again to Steely and Sharon...


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P.S. Jeremy does an absolutely amazing job countering the bullshit that's churned out over in 13 Inch Headville, on an almost daily basis...

My unwillingness to join reflects badly on me ..not on him. He has the restraint and the self control I obviously lack. Also he was a member long before that odious twat Don Jeffries " predilections" became too apparent...

Indeed until comparatively recently I just dismissed him as just another gullible unsophisticated galoot on the look out for the easy answers that would help keep his fantasy worldview intact...Th Th was before I stumbled across his blog...a repository of some of the most hateful banality imaginable...

Dewy eyed paeans to brave freedom loving warriors like Ernst Zundel ( who displaying all of his Teutonic courage scarpered to Canada to avoid having to serve in the West German army) author of " the Hitler we loved" and publisher and distributor of " the Myth of the Six Million" and kindergarten level analysis....

If one person embodied the utter intellectual bankruptcy and odious buffoonery of the " Troof" movement it's Don Jeffries...

He couldn't do more to help the Zionist Illuminati CIA Freemason Deep State Power Structure ...even if he put on a yarmulke , attended a ritual sacrifice out in Bohemian Grove, gave George Soros a secret handshake in the toilets of TrumpTowers before rolling up his trouserleg and driving out in an armoured Humvee to evict a whole street full of helpless old widows and orphans... then getting back to the Skull and Bones HQ on the grounds of Yale to have his bare arse whipped ( using Geronimo's fibula) by a coven of hooded cackling WASPs...before winding up at the crack of midnight doing a piss on the spot in Appomattox where the heroic General Lee ended the War of Northern Aggression by surrendering to that Yankee drunkard Grant...

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Wed 02 Jun 2021, 12:40 am
Vinny wrote:I used to reckon Jim DiE was one of THE premier researchers/ writers


 In general I like and admire Jim D and his research. In recent years however he seems to be slipping up a bit. The quality of his work seems to have declined. Also he has posted on his site essays from people who are not entirely credible. It is sad to see.

Vinny, for what it's worth, I agree with you 100% on this. I called DiEugenio out on the EF on this, how he seems to support just about anyone's crazy theories. He says he's "agnostic" about it but that makes no sense at all. It'd be like Carl Sagan accepting another astronomer's theory that space is not really black but rainbow colored. If you want your audience to take you seriously, you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

He has published some well-respected articles on his site like Jeff Carter's, who did a great job of writing about the backyard photos, for example. But he also publishes a woman named Milicent Cranor, who wrote this article about the spray of brain matter seen in Z313 is actually a contrail from the bullet going in and hitting JFK's head. I was like WTF?!

I had actually reached out to her and was able to email her. She then went into a story that she and others saw a completely different Z film back in 1965(?) in a movie theater in NYC. As soon as I read that, I washed my hands of her.

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Alex, I'm not "telling" you what to write. If you want to write a 1,000 word post, it's a free world to do so. I'm simply saying if you feel as disgusted as you do about the morons on EF, I'm merely encouraging you to go there and battle it out with them. Argue the merits of it there. That's all. I thought that's what an open forum is supposed to be - a place to discuss and rebut ideas.
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Fair enough. Maybe I misinterpreted the gist of your post. 

I've absolutely no problem with you disliking and/ or criticising my posts. In fact a couple of your criticisms are valid. I can be way WAY too loqacious for example.

Saying that , to be totally honest, having read your posts here, and in your previous incarnation , you don't come across as someone who is interested in debate and the exchange of ideas. I'm sorry but that's just my opinion

You come across as somewhat truculent, a little more than somewhat solipsistic ... and to be honest again,  you often come across as being incredibly rude and thoughtless..

I've been appalled by the way you speak to Chris, and  on a couple of occasions I was really fucking offended by your remarks.

All throughout my life I've endeavoured to treat people with courtesy and respect...to have some so in so coming  onto a thread dedicated to Doyle, ignoring all the other posts and posters, just to call me a bully??

Have you actually read back a few of your own posts??? Not to mention the hateful bilge Doyle disgorges?? He actually took pleasure in gloating about causing Greg's heart attack, not to mention the rancid sewage he pumps out...two wrongs most certainly do not make a right...but the guy is not only a dangerous fantasist, he's a loud and proud Holocaust denier...

Far from being a bully I think taking everything into consideration I was remarkably restrained.....

This forum isn't designed for your personal amusement and delectation...

As long as they abide by the rules the members here are free to post...tha t includes you... likewise you are free to criticize...

I'm not exaggerating here but I was genuinely shocked by someone being rude and ill mannered enough to pretty much tell another poster to shut up and fuck off..

Correct me if I'm wrong but this section of the forum is called " Debunked" 

A considerable percentage of the threads were started with the sole purpose of debunking some of the fanciful scenarios that pass for research elsewhere...

Last summer I was involved in the threads Greg, Steely and myself started( apologies to anyone else who started a thread), threads started to definitively debunk certain aspects of the H and L fantasy. Having done a considerable amount of research on the topic, and having grown up around Russians and Russian speakers I've absolutely no doubt LHO was a native English speaker. Apart from that the whole polyglot Hungarian doppelganger angle is complete fantasy. With the requisite talent and motivation it was entirely possible for Oswald to learn enough Russian. In fact Greg may well be right about the Asperger's angle. Oswald's quirks and peccadilloes may well have been a reason why he was plucked from the olive drab masses and pointed towards Mockba..

I started this thread, albeit with my tongue half in my cheek, to " celebrate" Jimbo Baggins miraculous reappearance...

This forum IS the cutting edge... as much as I respect what Jeremy does( and RC D and others do) tackling the goateed hobbit in his lair...for various reasons I wouldn't think of joining that fucking forum. 

With what passes for "rules" in the domain of the 13 Inch Headed, I'd only last an hour or so, confronted with absolutely breathtaking stupidity and lack of self awareness ( and that's only the plus side!!) I wouldn't be able to keep my cool. Plus out of a sense of loyalty to Greg, who I've come to value as a good friend, not to mention the presence of an odious scumbag like Don fucking Jeffries... in all good conscience I couldn't join up over there...

Far from standing on the sidelines, in my opinion this forum is at the very epicentre ...the core members are by some considerable distance the best and brightest...

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Wed 02 Jun 2021, 9:50 am
I'm simply saying if you feel as disgusted as you do about the morons on EF, I'm merely encouraging you to go there and battle it out with them. Argue the merits of it there. That's all. I thought that's what an open forum is supposed to be - a place to discuss and rebut ideas.



JFK Case, my two bobs worth here. 
You've made it perfectly clear from your previous posts that you don't approve of some of Alex's writing style or his humor. That's your prerogative. But there's a tone in your posts about Alex which I'm sure most here will relate to that crosses a line in my humble opinion. The tone is personal.  


Your response to Steely about this place being an open forum with the freedom to speak freely masks what's really going on here. Yes, we are free to debate and disagree on topic, without a doubt but that's not what this is about.


I've enjoyed most of your posts on the Z film, they're logical, concise and to the point. But again when you direct some of your responses to someone like Chris you seem to make it personal.
This is a great forum and I think the vast majority here think that way. One of it's strengths has always been the camaraderie and the sharing of knowledge freely between each other.


When you write something like:


Looks like I've upset a few of the Alex peanut gallery! Whew! LOL!


Do you believe that's fair ? Do you think when you place a "LOL!" at the end of the sentence that somehow erases the tone?
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Mick, he's a tosser who who would like to cheer from the sidelines while Alex engages in a bloody brawl on another forum. In other words...just another hypocrite. Treat him like a fart in a lift...he's not yours but your stuck with it.

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Wed 02 Jun 2021, 2:27 pm
mick p wrote:JFK Case, my two bobs* worth here.

*A "bob" harks back to the days of pounds, shillings and pence. It was the equivalent slang term for a US dime. 

Sorry I missed this. Have been away at a funeral.  

I hope the parties involved can retire to respective corners, get some Vaseline on the bruises, suck in the big ones and wait for the bell.

I know I left it around somewhere.   

ps

There is nothing much "Australian" about Alex's humor.

Those of us down under growing old disgracefully, grew up with a steady diet of US and British humor. It wasn't unti the mid 1970s, that Australian humor was even allowed on TV - let alone the Australian accent. Even to read the news here, you had to deliver it in full BBC clipped tones, even if your ancestor invented the boomerang. 

I shit you not, We got the best of US and Brit humor, before belatedly letting loose our own when Aunty Jack burst onto the screen. Aunty Jack was a Harley riding 300 pound transvestite with a mustache and a boxing glove who would rip your arm off if you didn't pay attention.



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Aunty Jack was a Harley riding 300 pound transvestite with a mustache and a boxing glove who would rip your arm off if you didn't pay attention.


Shit Greg, you've solved the PM puzzle. It was bloody Aunty Jack all along. I hope Doyle can be humble enough and concede that his 300lb woman wearing  a wig in a professional manner was not Stanton after all.

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Wed 02 Jun 2021, 4:18 pm
Mick_Purdy wrote:Aunty Jack was a Harley riding 300 pound transvestite with a mustache and a boxing glove who would rip your arm off if you didn't pay attention.


Shit Greg, you've solved the PM puzzle. It was bloody Aunty Jack all along. I hope Doyle can be humble enough and concede that his 300lb woman wearing  a wig in a professional manner was not Stanton after all.

Oh, it gets better, Mick.

The gleam in front of PM? Not a bottle. Not a camera. It's a golden boxing glove.

And standing next to PM? No. Not Buell. That's why he comes across as so shifty with his 101 versions. He wasn't there. It was Aunty Jack sidekick, Thin Arthur. They were in Dallas promoting Dapto and Wollongong as the tourist meccas they were destined to be...

If only Norman Gunston and The Chaser team had been among the international media in Dallas that weekend, this thing would have been wrapped up before you could say Flash Nick from Jindavick. 

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Balderdash

It was Aunty Jack and Thin Arthur, seen here after another triumphant tour of Bulli Pass.  

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Wed 02 Jun 2021, 6:26 pm
Thanks Mick. I thought that summed up the situation perfectly. And thanks again Steely for your pungent critique!!!

I haven't the slightest problem with people criticising my posts, on the contrary, I welcome constructive criticism. 

And Greg if you find the bell could you please have a look for my smelling salts too? Scented with the aromatic fragrance of the ladiesroom of the Texas Very Busy Loyers Club...the morning after the bi annual Billy Ray Cyrus fan club line dance athon...

After being savaged by Mr Case's typically erudite and insightful critical attack I'm wandering around in a daze.... like Stevie Gaal after he'd sniffed Squeaky Frome's knickers for the first time...or worse still, like J Raymond Carroll and David Lifton after they'd finished " re enacting" the fight sequences from Raging Bull..in the alleyway behind a particularly seedy New Jersey clip joint...

As always the spaces between your words say far more than mere words.... Not only does the silence between those words speak far louder than the empty headed clamour, but it further emphasises the difference between silence itself and the simple lack of sound...

Death provides us with the deepest perspective... the closer we are to  death, often close enough to sense the hollow flutter of cold clammy wings , the more we see through the layers of pettiness , small mindedness and trivia. Too often it takes loosing to understand how much we have lost...how much too we still have to loose...

Greg, you know how much I respect you, the core ROKCers and the forum... I consider it a privilege to post here...maybe you are right, maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Mr Case couldn't give a fuck about debate, he isn't remotely interested in exchanging ideas, or discussing the contents of my posts. He's only interested in making snide remarks and personal attacks. 

His remarks are rude and offensive, I was really fucking hurt and angry when he called me a bully, but I let it slide, or rather I rewrote my post primarily for the sake of the forum. His remarks are mean spirited and personal... they have absolutely fuck all to do with " research"...The word bully has really ugly connotations, you were absolutely right to call out Doug and Rob. 

I've been ignoring Mr Case, but IMHO his last post crossed the line. Despite his backpedalling it's pretty apparent he was , in so many words, telling me to shut up or fuck off. The way he speaks to Chris too... As Ricky Gervais says " it's just a fucking joke" there's a huge difference between good natured badinage , carefully aimed satire and mean petty minded personal attacks..

You know I meant no disrespect to you personally or the forum in general. It's your name above the door, and it's your reputation as a researcher that is one of the forum's biggest assets. If you thought my posts on this thread reflected poorly on the forum I can only apologise, and you have my permission to delete any or all of them.

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Fri 04 Jun 2021, 12:04 am
I don't want to keep harping on this. I like this forum because whether you're from Australia, the UK or the USA, we all pretty much have the same "goal" in mind - to continue to write about how Oswald was royally fucked over 58 years ago, and to debunk the ridiculous stuff that folks throw in about the case.

It's nothing personal with me. When Chris Davidson posts here, I'm sorry but I just cannot accept anything he says because he's right up there with the same people that Alex likes to write about it. Alex has called these folks some pretty vile stuff too but I'm guessing it's nothing personal on Alex's takes too. But he does so from a distance while actually acting all respectful to Chris Davidson when Chris posts here ("Oh, Chris. Now I have the utmost respect for you..." blah blah blah).

I mean, for lack of a better of word, isn't that just a little bit hypocritical?

Perhaps it's because Josephs, Hargrove and others don't post here so, therefore, it's not as "personal" seeming as when Davidson posts here and then I reply to him. Perhaps that's why I'm getting called out about it vs. Alex.

Let's face it. Chris did NOT help the very cause of this forum by blowing up that Darnell frame 1,000% to "prove" that it was a woman. And has anyone ever grabbed a cup of tea, sat back, and just dived into his Swan Song thread on EF? If you want to waste four hours of your life reading it, feel free to do so. I just went to the last page on that thread (circa 2020) and even the guy McKnight, who was one of the first people there to warn me to tone it down before I was banned, can't tell heads from tails with the craziness of Davidson, which is pretty fucking hilarious...

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You say it's not personal with you, before proceeding to call me a hypocrite??

Not only that you're pretty much characterising me as a two faced coward. Who'll say one thing to a person's face while saying another thing entirely behind their back ..

Not personal with you, huh?

You can respect someone while at the same time disagreeing with them. You don't seem able to grasp that concept. You don't seem to grasp the concept of satire either. For all I know Hargrove Larsen Butler and co may well be wonderful caring people. No doubt they probably are. Yes, I disagree with them profoundly, yes, I think their antics leave any " critic" open to ridicule, but so what? 

On the subject of hypocrisy where can I read your complaints about the other members who like me enjoy aiming a few well flighted satirical barbs at some well deserving targets?



As for your other ill founded insinuations I suggest you take a look through some of the older threads.

You are of course free to post whatever you want , but since you have made your opinion of me quite plain I would politely ask you to avoid any further threads of mine.

You're not the slightest bit interested in anything I have to say, you just enjoy stirring up trouble and creating animosity. I disrespect your mind and your intentions and I would prefer it if you just ignored me from now on.

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Fri 04 Jun 2021, 2:03 am
There is a thing in cricket - the history of which Alex is well-versed in - that you play the ball and not the man. 

But fuck. That's cricket. It applies most of the time in real life - not all the time,

There are some creatures so loathsome, morbid and drear, so driven by pettiness and perfidy, that calling them what they are is perfectly relevant to the debate,

For Alex, Jeffries is one example where addressing his odious and hubristic personality is just as necessary as addressing his  bullshit. Chris D is an example where he deems it sufficient to address only his claims. 

It is just a fact that the lines are different for different people.

You describe some of Alex's comments/epithets as "vile".  I think most of the rest of us see them as legitimate parody, using humor to paint certain truths. I think there is real malice involved on only rare occasions. But maybe that too, come down to cultural differences and just the fact that you don't "get" the humor.  If on other occasions, Alex comes across as overly fawning (as you think with CD), that is also a cultural difference at play. You may not like it, but it is what it is. Alex sees no reason to attack him personally.  Calling Alex out for being polite, would be like me complaining about someone quoting L Ron Hubbard all the time and ignoring the fact that the person has been raised in that environment. Alex is polite when he thinks that is called for, and how you perceive it speaks of your own cultural heritage, not his.

He describes some of your comments as "rude" and has taken exception to being called a bully. 

Both the rude and bully descriptors - imo - also spring from cultural differences. Alex is no bully. But you are free to disagree, based on your own precepts. As for you, you merely hang out occasionally on the corner of curt and rude. 

plus perception is nine tenths of the lore. 

I've had a rough few weeks. If for no other reason than being kind to me, can you guys call a truce?  Even just a temporary one?

If all else fails, there is a "foe" button which I'm guessing is the block button.

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Fri 04 Jun 2021, 2:42 am
JFK_Case wrote:I don't want to keep harping on this.
But you do.

I like this forum because whether you're from Australia, the UK or the USA, we all pretty much have the same "goal" in mind - to continue to write about how Oswald was royally fucked over 58 years ago,
Agreed

and to debunk the ridiculous stuff that folks throw in about the case.
Your opinion

It's nothing personal with me. When Chris Davidson posts here, I'm sorry but I just cannot accept anything he says because he's right up there with the same people that Alex likes to write about it.
You don’t care for alternative explanations. You’d rather believe the WC was on the up/up in determining Oswald was the lone gunman. imo

Alex has called these folks some pretty vile stuff too but I'm guessing it's nothing personal on Alex's takes too.
That’s his prerogative which he chooses to live with.

But he does so from a distance while actually acting all respectful to Chris Davidson when Chris posts here ("Oh, Chris. Now
I have the utmost respect for you..." blah blah blah).
In my case, I asked him to honor the notion of not attacking the individual, just the research.

I mean, for lack of a better of word, isn't that just a little bit hypocritical?
All in the eye of the beholder.

Perhaps it's because Josephs, Hargrove and others don't post here so, therefore, it's not as "personal" seeming as when Davidson posts here and then I reply to him.
I wouldn’t even begin to speak for others.

Perhaps that's why I'm getting called out about it vs. Alex.
You do not comprehend why you have obtained your position.

Let's face it. Chris did NOT help the very cause of this forum by blowing up that Darnell frame 1,000% to "prove" that it was a woman.
As I have stated many times before, and you, just as Brian Doyle can’t get your facts straight.
I located (who would later become) Prayer-Person for Sean Murphy way back in July 2007 in a Wiegman frame. Robin Unger found that person in Darnell some years later.
The Wiegman enlargement was created by Duncan McCrae.
My Wiegman enhancement and statement that it “looked like a woman to me” was from a similar but different frame.


And has anyone ever grabbed a cup of tea, sat back, and just dived into his Swan Song thread on EF?
Why would you spend anytime on that thread and keep referring to it, when you don’t agree with any of it.

If you want to waste four hours of your life reading it, feel free to do so.
Your opinion along with others.

I just went to the last page on that thread (circa 2020) and even the guy McKnight, who was one of the first people there to warn me to tone it down before I was banned, can't tell heads from tails with the craziness of Davidson, which is pretty fucking hilarious...
You really should stop commenting on other’s comprehension abilities.

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22692-swan-song-math-rules/
You even included a link to it. Thank you

But that's all well and good.
All's well that ends well.
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