2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter

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Greg said I can demand my own rules so I would like to demand to post equally amongst my peers on the main board since anyone can see there was nothing wrong with my post that Greg copied and posted...Greg said I was banned from the main board but anyone can look at my post that showed the overhead-lighted water fountain console in the 2nd floor Vestibule and see it possesses factual information that is backed up by evidence and therefore there is no reason to disallow it...Bart Kamp answered my evidence by pointing to the water cooler in the hallway by the bathrooms, but that has nothing to do with the water fountain I showed in the Vestibule that you can see with your own eyes at minute mark 7:32 of this video:        


"The girls on the stairs": Victoria Adams, Sandra Styles & Oswald's alleged escape 11/22/63



I had a debate with Mr Parker on the 2nd floor Lunch Room Encounter at the Google ALT.Conspiracy.JFK website and Greg bailed after I had disproven his allegation that the cop Miss Garner saw emerge on the 4th floor staircase landing was Lumpkin...Linda Zambanini had discovered film evidence that Lumpkin did not return from Parkland until 12:50 so therefore the police man Garner saw with Truly could not have been Lumpkin since Garner saw Truly and that cop emerge shortly after Adams & Styles descended...I proved this because Bonnie Ray Williams said he saw a white motorcycle cop's helmet arise above the boxes on the 5th floor shortly after Garner saw Truly & Baker...Zambanini found a photo of Lumpkin in the Plaza and he was wearing a fedora hat and not a helmet so it could not have been Lumpkin...Another reason why it had to be Baker is because if Lumpkin was the cop seen by Garner, and he didn't arrive back to the Depository before plus 20 minutes after the shots, then Bonnie Ray would have been the first person seen by Garner after Adams & Styles descended...There were other witnesses on the 4th floor who testified they saw Williams and the other workers arrive on the 4th floor at the plus 3 minutes after the shots time period...They arrived 18 minutes before Lumpkin so therefore Lumpkin is provably ruled-out...More proof is seen in the fact that Martha Stroud said Truly and "THE" police man...Since Garner was interviewed in June 1964 and the Lunch Room Encounter was well known in the Book Depository and in the media by that time when Stroud said "THE" police man she was specifically referring to Baker and Garner was aware of it...Since we have two separate witnesses to Baker arising on the stairs in synch with the Encounter on both the 4th and 5th floors we can safely assume the Lunch Room Encounter was real and was witnessed by others...No researcher can credibly say Miss Garner did not know the difference between plus 2.5 minutes and plus 21 minutes so we can safely dismiss Lumpkin as being the police man Miss Garner saw with Truly...Not to mention we have Oswald, Baker, & Truly all saying they met in the 2nd floor Lunch Room at plus 75 to 90 seconds...


The purpose of my confirming the Lunch Room Encounter's real-ness is to further buttress an amazing discovery I have made...My analyzing of Murphy and Kamp's Prayer Man case, along with Armstrong, made me realize there was much more happening in the Lobby than the Commission wanted you to know...This all started when I realized Holmes had overheard Oswald describing two stops by cops of himself...When Holmes said it happened in the "Vestibule" he had overheard Oswald describing the 2nd floor Lunch Room Encounter...There is a blueprint out there of the construction of the 2nd floor enclosure to the Lunch Room entry...On that blueprint the entire enclosure is labelled "Vestibule"...In his employment Oswald had overheard the management referring to that enclosure as "Vestibule" and repeated it in the conversation Holmes overheard...However, Holmes also heard Oswald say he went downstairs to see what the commotion was all about and was stopped by a cop on the first floor...We know this was the first floor because it was "downstairs" from the 2nd floor Lunch Room (Vestibule), but also because Oswald was told to step aside from the front door egress by that un-named cop...Truly said Baker said nothing in the Lunch Room when he cleared Oswald...Plus there was no reason to "step aside" in the Lunch Room...When asked where the stop occurred Holmes made clear "First Floor"...He had made the mistake of conflating the Lunch Room stop with the Lobby stop...The reason this originated from Holmes was because he was outside the DPD loop and therefore outside of its gag orders...He slipped-up and gave away too much information...

I knew I had discovered something brilliant because I realized that there was a reason why Oswald tried to leave before asking permission...That reason was he saw Lee in the white T-shirt come down the front stairs and in to the other side of the Lobby and knew he was in big trouble...Harvey reacted by trying to leave through the front door and the un-named cop saw his desperation and stopped him...Shelley was watching and he knew he had to act fast so he was the "superintendent" who jumped in and ID-ed Oswald to the cop...We know this wasn't Truly because it happened at around plus 4 minutes after the shots and Truly was still upstairs at that time...If it was Truly they would have said Truly instead of superintendent...And later on Truly would have spoken about it...No - it is quite clear that the reason the Warren Commission avoided this whole scenario like the plague was because it was Harvey and he was being bailed-out by Shelley because Shelley was a part of the plot and had to help him...The FBI and Commission never interviewed or sought-out that cop at the front door and they avoided it all together...They did that because they knew if Shelley's assistance were known then it would be found out that CIA Shelley helped Oswald around the police cordon and helped him out the loading dock where Buell Frazier saw him leave...Lee also saw the problem in the Lobby and ducked in to the utility closet under the stairs where he hid until Campbell came back and saw him there...Harvey then went to the Bus/Taxi Encounter that occurred at the exact same juncture as Roger Craig's Station Wagon Encounter...The plus 10 minute timing of both of these was not a coincidence, nor was Harvey going out the east side of the Depository and Lee going out the west side where Helen Forrest would see him... 


This works like tight brick work and I'm afraid it cracks the case in the Depository...

greg_parker wrote:Got a suggstion for a neutral moderator, Brian? I'm all ears and if that person is truly unbiased and agreeable to doing it, that is fine with me.

20 hours left for your final answer. So far, what I see is you desparately trying to worm out of the debate, while you plant the seeds for your excuse at the same time. 

It is like a boxer saying before a fight, "Ima gone knock dat guy out in tree rounds. Yesiree. Count 'em. Uno, der, tree. But if I lose, trust me, it was because he done cheated, I am carrying an injury, the judgs were all biased and 95% of the crowd is against me for reasons I don' understand. I am da champ. No one beat me. It is all rigged agin me. But you just watch. Tree rounds if it is a fair fight. You will know it is a fair fight if I win. But I don't think it will be fair, so maybe I shouldn't fight.  Yeah. I don;t think I should. I'll just wait till they ban me from boxing again and then complain some more about what bastards thet are."

Lumpkin...


Vestibule water fountain console...


I don't need phony deadlines or debate rules pretense to win and will take on any comers anywhere without limits or threats of censorship...


You are the one who is on public record on the free and open and fair ALT.Conspiracy.JFK website who broke off the discussion and never returned after I showed that Lumpkin wasn't back to the Depository until 12:50...That means the police man Garner saw with Truly was Baker and therefore the Lunch Room Encounter was real...Your website also says Carolyn Arnold was lying because there was no water facility in the 2nd floor Lunch Room...My image of a large water fountain console in the 2nd floor Lunch Room Vestibule proves that is wrong and therefore shows Carolyn was telling the truth...You have also categorically avoided and ignored every single piece of evidence I have posted in this thread showing why the science proves Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Again, Mr Parker...We have already done this debate and you are on public record as having quit and never returned when asked to account for the timing of Lumpkin's return to the Depository that excluded him from being the police man seen with Truly by Garner...If I enter any debate with you it will be after having won it everywhere else...I have never banned, blocked, censored, or deleted because I don't need to...I stand behind my material and it speaks for me...I don't need to ban to make it work...

Brian Doyle wrote:

greg_parker wrote:Got a suggstion for a neutral moderator, Brian? I'm all ears and if that person is truly unbiased and agreeable to doing it, that is fine with me.

20 hours left for your final answer. So far, what I see is you desparately trying to worm out of the debate, while you plant the seeds for your excuse at the same time. 

It is like a boxer saying before a fight, "Ima gone knock dat guy out in tree rounds. Yesiree. Count 'em. Uno, der, tree. But if I lose, trust me, it was because he done cheated, I am carrying an injury, the judgs were all biased and 95% of the crowd is against me for reasons I don' understand. I am da champ. No one beat me. It is all rigged agin me. But you just watch. Tree rounds if it is a fair fight. You will know it is a fair fight if I win. But I don't think it will be fair, so maybe I shouldn't fight.  Yeah. I don;t think I should. I'll just wait till they ban me from boxing again and then complain some more about what bastards thet are."

1. Lumpkin...


2. Vestibule water fountain console...


3. I don't need phony deadlines or debate rules pretense to win and will take on any comers anywhere without limits or threats of censorship...


You are the one who is on public record on the free and open and fair ALT.Conspiracy.JFK website who broke off the discussion and never returned after I showed that Lumpkin wasn't back to the Depository until 12:50...That means the police man Garner saw with Truly was Baker and therefore the Lunch Room Encounter was real...Your website also says Carolyn Arnold was lying because there was no water facility in the 2nd floor Lunch Room...My image of a large water fountain console in the 2nd floor Lunch Room Vestibule proves that is wrong and therefore shows Carolyn was telling the truth...You have also categorically avoided and ignored every single piece of evidence I have posted in this thread showing why the science proves Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...Again, Mr Parker...We have already done this debate and you are on public record as having quit and never returned when asked to account for the timing of Lumpkin's return to the Depository that excluded him from being the police man seen with Truly by Garner...If I enter any debate with you it will be after having won it everywhere else...I have never banned, blocked, censored, or deleted because I don't need to...I stand behind my material and it speaks for me...I don't need to ban to make it work...

1.You are basing your Lumpkin claim on the basis of an unproven assertion that he was the driver of the pilot car. 

I say it is more likely to have been a detective because that is how he is dressed. There were two detectives in the car, Stenkel and Turner. It is not Stenkel, but I have not been able to find a photo of Turner. Lumpkin wasrepresenting the police force on a formal occasion and would have been required to wear full uniform for for the occasion, At least that would be the case just about everywhere else in the world. It would also b unusual for the senior man to be the driver.

2. There is no debate to be had here. Debates cannot be properly made regarding assumptions and asserstions.

There is no vestibule water fountain console. That is as real as your Stanton identification. If it was there as a permanent ficture, it would be shown on plans. It ain;t on the plans, bud. Nothing to debate here, either. There is mot even a vestibule, let alone a water fountain.

3. For years you have been whining non stop that in a fair debate with proper moderation, you would prove all of your claims and that it was only lack of fair debate and proper moderation that that gets you banned and unable to have a fair debate.

Now that you have been offered the things you say you need, you claim you DON'T need them.

That is because you are shit scared of a disciplined debate with rules to keep it fair and on track. You claim I did not want it beause I would be forced to provide evidence. LOL. More projection. You are shit scared of not being able to "debate " without resorting to ad hom, diversion, and a million appeals to ignorance, the peanut gallery, false authoritoes and what ever other failures of logic you can muster.

You never learn. You do not want to learn. While ever you are banned, you can claim bias, lack of fairness, skullduggery. If you, heaven forgive me, lived in Australia, you wold be hung with the term "poor bugger me" - a person wallowing in self-pity, and blaming everyone and everything else for your problems. Being banned not only let's you play Martyr, it also gets you off the hook of having to prove any of your whacky claims, AND claim simutaneously that everyone else is to too scaredd to debate you. 

This is what James Gordon said a couple of years ago when you were trying to worm your way back on to the EF:

Gentlemen,
This is not the normal practice to discuss a fellow member on the public forum, however since a number of you wish to raise Brian Doyle's membership I will address the issue.
I had to look back into his history and why he was disciplined. Aside from his indiscipline while on the forum that resulted in several complaints, he was extremely insulting to the entire admin team. In several emails to the admin team he referred to the complete team as "incompetent." From the emails it was clear he was not prepared to compromise his behaviour and suggestions that were made to him were ignored and the admin member who raised the issue with him was verbally abused by him.
Brian's case focused on the essential point that he was not prepared accept the terms of membership and in the end - after a long series  of emails - it was decided to delete his membership.
Therefore if Brian would like to again to be a member of the EF then he will need to re-apply for membership. It appears that Brian has not made clear to those who are advocating his case that he is no longer a member. So options like restoring posring privileges etc do not apply, because he is no longer a member.
I believe Brian was the only member who's account we have deleted. Yes we have deleted accounts, but on those occasions the member has requested we do so on their behalf. Brian I believe is the only one whose membership the admin team decided to delete.
James.

Imagibe that. The ONLY person who was so fucked in the head, that they removed his membership.



It is time for you to fuck off yet again, Brian. Go to google groups and make a 5000 word post about how badly you've ben treated yet again. We need a laugh. 
 
Brian's menbership is being deleted. This thread will stay up for a while before also being removed.

brian doyle wrote:You are the one who is on public record on the free and open and fair ALT.Conspiracy.JFK website who broke off the discussion and never returned after I showed that Lumpkin wasn't back to the Depository until 12:50...

No one runs in fear of you, Brain. Okay, Maybe there was been the occasion when some poor girl has fled before you could stuff her in your trunk... but that's another matter.

You are delusional, as usual.

I stopped posting because I lost the ability to post.

This is what I see now when I go to google groups.



There is no curved arrow at the top, which as you would know Brian, is the reply button. I was trying to solve this dilemma but gave up when I saw some other Greg Parker has aken up the cudguels. Unlike you, I won't assume it is someone impersonating me. Although that is possible, it is not a "given". I don't think I am at that level of importance.  I have a FB friend with the same name, who lives in one of your sothern states. I also know for sure that there is a Greg Parker in New York with an outlook email address so similar to mine that he sometimes gets my emails by mistake. It could be him. Could be anyone. Common name using a common email server.  No big deal, except to someone who has an over-active imagination and no scruples.

Let's nail one final lie from him as we wish him Bon Voyage.
Mr "i don't need to ban anyone" banned John Iacoletti from his FB page.
His search for the mythical land of the level playing field continues...

About time.