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Thu 20 Jan 2022, 9:32 pm
Why is there ample reasons to question a Beckley bus driver yet this is avoided like the plague 


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The authorities and every agency choose not to follow-up with Dallas Transit and speak to the drivers on Beckley route.

Especially with Marsalis bus a dead end and Taxi a self-debunking tale.

They could have located him and not told us... it'd be the BOON of the century to track down Beckley Bus driver
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Fri 21 Jan 2022, 12:28 pm
So Oswald is riding that bus back and forth multiple times to Love Field, carrying a concealed rifle somehow, presumably an assembled rifle, yet the bus drivers were supposedly never interviewed and no attempt was ever made to corroborate Marina's tale. I wonder why... 

Also in this report Marina suddenly remembered Oswald receiving the rifle through the mail, but the first time she saw it was 'on a shelf..on Neely', wasn't asked a single question by the WC about how Oswald had acquired it, and testified to the HSCA that she never asked Oswald how he got it. Hmm.
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Sat 22 Jan 2022, 12:45 pm
JFK_FNG wrote:So Oswald is riding that bus back and forth multiple times to Love Field, carrying a concealed rifle somehow, presumably an assembled rifle, yet the bus drivers were supposedly never interviewed and no attempt was ever made to corroborate Marina's tale. I wonder why... 

Also in this report Marina suddenly remembered Oswald receiving the rifle through the mail, but the first time she saw it was 'on a shelf..on Neely', wasn't asked a single question by the WC about how Oswald had acquired it, and testified to the HSCA that she never asked Oswald how he got it. Hmm.
Oswald on a bus with a long weapon had a precedent. KGB watching him, became "alarmed" when he hopped a bus carrying his shotgun. "Relief" ensued when they saw he was just selling it back to the shop he had purchased it from.

This is according to "Oswald's Ghost" and lifted from the KGB files Mailer was given access to.

Do I believe Lee was riding busses in Dallas with a rifle? No. But Marina may have lifted the idea from the bus ride in Minsk. The only real alternative was Oswald having an accomplice on these imagined excursions, and we know the authorities were not going there. 

The lack of a proper investigation is in line with Scott's "negative template" concept.

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Sat 22 Jan 2022, 3:52 pm
Quite right Greg.

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Every opportunity to interview the Beckley bus driver responsible for getting Lee to work 4 days a week, as a regular passenger, was avoided. Forget any questioning about Marsalis bus or Elm Street or passengers picked up at Houston n Elm at 12:35ish
I believe this too fits the Negative Template
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Oh and the Laundry Truck at the corner... would that be in the way of that bus stop?
It's been pointed out it leaves soon after assassination and Elm opened back up.
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Sat 26 Feb 2022, 12:38 pm
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Was Jack Cody saying Herbert Leon Lee got on the Beckley bus Wednesday morning with a large newspaper wrapped package.
Did FBI and Warren Commission avoid this and thusly no confirmation or rejection of such by Beckley Bus driver.

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Sat 26 Feb 2022, 1:08 pm
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Was Jack Cody saying Herbert Leon Lee got on the Beckley bus Wednesday morning with a large newspaper wrapped package.
Did FBI and Warren Commission avoid this and thusly no confirmation or rejection of such by Beckley Bus driver.

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First excerpt from Russo's "Live by the Sword" - second from a book called "3 Killers at Dallas". 

I don't think it could have been Leon Lee, unless Cody got his weeks mixed up.

The scrap of paper presented to the WC by Gladys J had something written on it she wanted wiped from the records, which as you know, the WC agreed to. They left one word. "OUT". We know from Gladys that part of what was whited out was a date (probably 11/13/63 being the date she thought was the last time she saw "Mr Lee") .

What makes sense to me is that what was originally written was "MOVED OUT 13/11/63). These scraps of paper from Earlene would serve to inform of papyments and departures of guests and be passed on periodically to the Johnsons who would use this infor to update their ledgers.

The other date mentioned by Gladys was Friday the 15th - being the last date Earlene saw "Mr Lee". Obviously this can't be Oswald, so Gladys could only claim that she got her weeks mixed up and thus she wanted the info wiped out because she now realised it was "wrong".

But it wasn't. Not if Leon Lee moved out on the 13th and raced back in on Friday the 15th to retreive his jacket left behind. 

Although there is another story that may account for the jacket/shirt allegation of Earlene... Floyd Degraffenfeld reported he was the drinking buddy of the employee at the gas station, not Oswald/OH Lee as claimed by someone else. He also reported that he had raced over to his room one afternoon to grab a clean shirt for his drinking buddy so they could hit the bars straight away. 

I do tend to think that Cody moved his memory forward a week.

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Sat 26 Feb 2022, 2:44 pm
I thought of this and imagine Leon was not on any rental argeement with his friend and merely stayed there when his friend Watson didnt have a "guest" spend the night. On those occasions Leon would need to relocate ... what better than to slip back in the old Johnson rooming house for a night.
Date around the 20th would fit.
Leon forgets a jacket goes back Friday while heading downtown to see what was going on in Dealey Plaza... then calls his girl from nearby.

You could be right too and Cody was confused by event from last week.

I wonder if the roomer not being seen was because he lived in Shreveport and kept the smallest room available for his stuff.

I guess it depends on Leons gigs, both types, flooring and musical. And Kenneth Cody 's bus driving and house flipping schedule/s
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Sat 26 Feb 2022, 3:58 pm
Ed.Ledoux wrote:I thought of this and imagine Leon was not on any rental argeement with his friend and merely stayed there when his friend  Watson didnt have a "guest" spend the night. On those occasions Leon would need to relocate ... what better than to slip back in the old Johnson rooming house for a night.
Date around the 20th would fit.
Leon forgets a jacket goes back Friday while heading downtown to see what was going on in Dealey Plaza... then calls his girl from nearby.

You could be right too and Cody was confused by event from last week.

I wonder if the roomer not being seen was because he lived in Shreveport and kept the smallest room available for his stuff.

I guess it depends on Leons gigs, both types, flooring and musical. And Kenneth Cody 's bus driving and house flipping schedule/s
All that makes sense, too. Enought to be possible.

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Sat 26 Feb 2022, 7:48 pm
Don't tell Roe.....................he has too much work to do providing some real evidence.

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Wed 30 Mar 2022, 3:14 pm
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The commission admits the existence of but doesn't follow Beckley bus...

The cab bs doesn't come into questioning of Lee till much later.

What leads did the cops go for that Friday besides waiting for McWatters to pull up out front and take his book of tickets and borrowed his punch

Too bad, Lee was not on Marsalis bus.
I have a suspicious idea they did get tip Lee was on the Beckley bus and he rides from Downtown to near the theater on it.
No stops for pistols or jackets.
That won't work for overzealous police.
Lee passes the Hardy shoe store while cops are still being drawn towards downtown.
Shoe dude Brewer saw Lee at about 1:00pm
Later, while he was looking for a kid that ducked into theater, Brewer’s help turned to fingering the guy he saw at 1pm. 
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I can guarantee the hole in evidence for Beckley bus is no coincidence or error or lack of resources or time.  

Interesting that the cops that had interactions with 1026 N. Beckley in the months before the assassination are:
1. Not on duty -RW High
2. Assigned away from usual Beckley area district ... but are Assigned TOGETHER away from Beckley- Connor and Norman!
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Wed 30 Mar 2022, 5:08 pm
Intersection was about a block from nearest food if the recollection of TSBD employees is to be taken on faith. 
There were manufacturers of clothing in Daltex.
But yes Jennifer Juniors was more akin to the design portion.
Neither really need any cleaner company.
Not sure if the 'porter's uniform' would require professional services. 

If anything the truck may keep that spot from being blocked by a bus etc allowing a trajectory?

Anyway back to Beckley;
are the police splitting hairs by claiming not knowing 'residents' of 1026 is different than knowing the help. Pate says specifically he doesn't know Earlene while other statements s are more generic.

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Now how could the guys recently assigned the area, be clueless, but asked about it.
And the officers that would know about calls to the address and residents etc. are not questioned about other residents.

Negative patterns again?
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Wed 30 Mar 2022, 8:22 pm
Looks like the police deliberately botched their investigation.

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Thu 31 Mar 2022, 2:32 am
Ed.Ledoux wrote:Quite right Greg.

Beckley Bus Blackout
Every opportunity to interview the Beckley bus driver responsible for getting Lee to work 4 days a week, as a regular passenger, was avoided. Forget any questioning about Marsalis bus or Elm Street or passengers picked up at Houston n Elm at 12:35ish
I believe this too fits the Negative Template
Cheers!

Oh and the Laundry Truck at the corner... would that be in the way of that bus stop?
It's been pointed out it leaves soon after assassination and Elm opened back up.

A shot fired from the laundry truck would explain the low trajectory of the back wound. And/or a shot that misses the limo completely. Not sure if other cars or motorcycle escorts would be in the way.
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Thu 31 Mar 2022, 9:32 am
Which business in the Daltex was using a laundry service?
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Thu 31 Mar 2022, 10:33 am
Ed.Ledoux wrote:Which business in the Daltex was using a laundry service?

I’m not sure that the truck was servicing any businesses in the Dal-Tex building though that would serve as a plausible cover for being there. There were some clothing manufacturers with offices there, Abraham Zapruder’s being one of them but I don’t think any manufacturing was done there. Perhaps restaurant laundry such as tablecloths, napkins or uniforms.

If the truck was supposed to be just passing through, there would be the problem of ensuring it is in the position it is in when the traffic is halted. The cooperation of the cop at the corner of Elm and Houston would help.

Were vehicles on Elm St. ever searched following the assassination? Supposedly, cops boarded the Marsalis bus looking for weapons.
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Mon 04 Apr 2022, 8:00 am
Thanks Lanceman
It's not in a parking spot but where busses pick up at that corner.
So I would imagine or have the impression, since the truck isn't in a traffic lane it is delivering or picking up laundry towels linens uniforms whatever at Daltex
it's not a spot I'd expect to need the volume business.

Food was a block away on Main(?), anyways not close.

Dress makers and manufacturers typically wont require a laundry service.

Could the porters 'uniforms' be enough for a stop?
I doubt it.

I don't believe anyone in cars etc on Elm were searched by police.  
Search of parking lot was superficially done.

The Marsalis bus tale of cops boarding is attributed to Milton Jones who was not interviewed till March 30 1964.
It's odd he said an hour hold up VS.driver McWatters' cop boards to tell him JFK was shot and they opened a lane up for the busses, this is very contrasting to Miltons.
Maybe Milton inflated the times like his wait at theater etc.
A cop boarding and speaking to McWatters becomes a shakedown of the bus all the old ladies and kids.... nah Milton made it more than it was.
Not many Rifles on transit that day via bus so fruitless endeavor by police
Especially if they forget to ask the driver first about any weapon carriers.
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