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Mon 29 Aug 2022, 4:09 am
I came across these the other day:
 
One Giant Leap... Remastering high-resolution images of NASA's race to the Moon - EMULSIVE
https://emulsive.org/articles/projects/one-giant-leap-remastering-high-resolution-images-of-nasas-race-to-the-moon
 
Apollo Remastered: One man's mission to show us the Moon - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62662685
 
From the first link:
 
"Historically, most of the photographs presented in the media have been based on decades-old, low-resolution scans/digitisation. This has been remedied somewhat by efforts to create high-resolution scans of the negatives, although many of the ~35,000 frames from NASA’s Apollo archive at the Johnson Space Center still need work to bring out the detail we all know is stored in those amazing Kodak negatives and slides."
 
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"In doing so, I found I could restore images that would otherwise never be seen, reveal detail in others that has never been apparent before..."

If we could only get a guy like this to remaster the Darnell and the Wiegman films...
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Mon 29 Aug 2022, 9:13 am
Great read Stan,

the crucial piece here is this:

"we all know is stored in those amazing Kodak negatives and slides."
This is referring to the information which is already there to begin with and most likely the older or "before"  pics were processed  using older technology.


It's imperative we get to that original film, it will have detail in it that the online unknown generational copies do not have...


I'm working with Sony digital cinema cameras and film exclusively in Sony's SLOG profile these days and it's much the same as it was  shooting on Neg all those years back. I have latitude with these camera's that those before us could only dream about. There is hidden info in every frame. Just needs to be processed correctly.


These slides and negatives they're talking of - if they've ben stored correctly will have much information in the frame which can be found using the correct processing software.


I'm very confident should we manage to get hold of the original "in camera" Darnell film we can extract a clear enough image to show us whether the PM figure is Oswald or not.


Thanks for sharing this article Stan, it shows us that technology could end up helping us to see who that figure is in the corner of the steps. 

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Mon 29 Aug 2022, 5:00 pm
This is something a fuckwit like Doyle can barely comprehend.

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Sat 03 Sep 2022, 12:30 pm
San Lawrence on Facebook wrote:I talked to the Apollo remaster guy on Facebook about on whether the Darnell film could be remastered or if the ROKC site could use him. 

He says, “Sam Laurence Hi Sam - the original film would be a must as a starting point, and it also depends on the fps and how much movement there is. Focusing on space right now but thanks for your interest!”

Sam follows the trials and tribulations of PM closely and sent the above message to me, giving permission to post it here

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Sat 03 Sep 2022, 12:49 pm
Many thanks to Sam for reaching out to this person like that. Fantastic to know there is someone of that quality on deck and ready to swing the bat if we can just get one over the plate for him.

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Sun 04 Sep 2022, 4:46 am
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San Lawrence on Facebook wrote:I talked to the Apollo remaster guy on Facebook about on whether the Darnell film could be remastered or if the ROKC site could use him. 

He says, “Sam Laurence Hi Sam - the original film would be a must as a starting point, and it also depends on the fps and how much movement there is. Focusing on space right now but thanks for your interest!”

Sam follows the trials and tribulations of PM closely and sent the above message to me, giving permission to post it here

Indeed, the original film is a must for starters.
 
I'm no film guy but, when discussing remastering a film, I'd image a lot goes into that, e.g. fps, movement etc, like the Apollo guy said. Perhaps the scope of a remaster project could be vastly simplified if only one frame of the film was involved. 
 
This one:

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This frame--the one we've been focusing on since 2013--is the clearest with the least amount of camera movement, to my eye. If a professional such as the Apollo guy could get access to the original Darnell film, this particular frame could be identified, isolated and analyzed. One wouldn't necessarily have to remaster the entire film clip, greatly simplifying the time and effort involved. As I see it anyway.
 
Extracting all possible detail from the original of this frame might conclusively answer the question of the identity of Prayer Man. If this proved successful, it could open the door to identifying a lot of other individuals in this and the other frames as well. And then there's the Wiegman film.
 
This is all about getting the historical record right. What we've been saying all along.

My seven cents (adjusted for inflation).
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Sun 04 Sep 2022, 10:58 am
My two bobs worth;

If and it's a big IF - the original in camera footage has been stored appropriately for the past 60 odd years then I would absolutely agree that there would be reason to believe that we could extract enough information from one of the frames of the Darnell footage to determine whether or not the unidentified male in the frame is Oswald or not.

Darnell's footage pans right and then back to the left creating motion blur - combined with this is the motion blur occurring with the pedestrian movement on the street as well. From memory Darnell's Bolex H-16 3 turret lens black and white 16mm film camera would have been set with a shutter speed or angle of either approximately 1/60th of a second or about 180 degrees in old film lingo. Creating the effect of human movement when played back at about 24 FPS.

Now, here's the important part and I agree with Stan, there are about 3-4 frames of this Darnel clip where the camera operator (Jame's Darnell) stops his pan to the right before panning back to the left. The framing is held momentarily on the steps of the TSBD for split second - it is those still frames which will hopefully provide the answers we need. Those frames do not have motion blur caused by the cameras movement, they are as near as I can see clear images without noticeable motion blur, and are in focus, and just as importantly the people on the stairs are relatively still. 

So if we can get all the ducks lined up in a row - a well preserved original in camera film, a high res scanner and access to the original in camera footage we would most likely be able to determine if the figure in the footage is Oswald or not.

This is just my opinion - but it is based on my working experience in the Film and TV industry of which I'm still a part of today.

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Sun 04 Sep 2022, 11:30 am
Spoiler Alert...the man standing there in the corner called Prayer Man is Lee Oswald. Remastering Darnell will only strengthen support for this. I'll bet the farm on it.
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Mon 05 Sep 2022, 6:30 pm
Exactly Stan, too much evidence points that way.
Nor are there any tits on show.

You lose Doyle.
Again and again if I may add.

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Tue 06 Sep 2022, 12:43 am
This is also from Sam


This message is also for everyone else; 


As one of your staunchest allies, You have my support. 


while some dreaded the PM theory, none, none dreaded it like WC supporters like DavidVonPein or ignorant people like Brain Doyle. 


If the PM image can strike fear into that stubborn heart, it is worthy of all of our investigation. We shall work together. 


You shall have my support at any hour. 
Perhaps I can... I can give you some advice.


Perhaps upload the PM IN A NUTSHELL to the ROKC Facebook, to public, tell them the truth unvarnished, or even a video on it. they must be ready.

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Tue 06 Sep 2022, 4:26 am
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Tue 06 Sep 2022, 6:04 am
Hawt dawg thats so easy a Sanibel manure salesman could connect those dots!
Oh who am I kiddin.

Stellar stuff Stan!!
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Wed 07 Sep 2022, 2:06 pm
StanDane wrote:Static, non-gif version.

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Excellent job,Stan.

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Sun 11 Sep 2022, 5:56 pm
On the Education Forum the latest attempt to debunk the Oswald-is-Prayer Man argument is based on what appears to me to be a doctored frame from the Darnell film. Several contributors have taken this at face value on the basis that filtering has supposedly been used, although the provenance of the image/images is uncertain.


Andrej Stancak is the notable exception.


The emergence of photographs like this surely only strengthens the case that the original films be made available for scrutiny by experts.  
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Sun 11 Sep 2022, 10:57 pm
They never give up trying to push Oswald off the front steps.

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Tue 13 Sep 2022, 1:51 am
The stupidity on display by the speculating twats at EF is mind boggling. I thought that the PM thread a couple of months was bad. But the recent posted shit takes the biscuit. Doyle seems to have many 'relatives' over there.
They ignore the most basic things and run amok  with stuff they think (!) they can see, no wonder nothing gets solved and also why this case will go nowhere while you have people like Pat Speer posting their opinion(s). His 'research' is diabolical.
I was tempted to go back six weeks ago, but there is no chance in hell I will do that nor will I respond on my website about that dreck as it is a complete waste of time.

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Tue 13 Sep 2022, 2:18 pm
In Speer's 5:06 PM post of Sunday the 11th of Sept. he reveals his true goal:

"In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that most "Prayer Man" believers will move on to something else in the near future, as its momentum seems to have stalled. As stated previously, a number of the richest and most media-friendly CTs viewed a much cleaner version of Darnell than is available online, and failed to buy it or pursue another version of the film. Well, this suggests to me that they knew, deep inside, it was a dead-end street."

Hogwash on the face of it. The whole ridiculous thread he's posting on started with a doctored photo and a ridiculous premise. Note that it is separate from and obviously in response to the momentum PM was picking up in Robbie Robertson Prayer Man thread featuring Bart Kamp! In that thread the evidence was being seriously discussed and the premise underlying the identification of Oswald's true location was gaining acceptance and dare I say it, momentum? PM believers will move on??? OMG. How many years has this been going on and it's still going really strongly, much to the disgruntlement of a certain cadre of truly irrational deniers? They make their own bed and in it shall they sleep.

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