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Fri 15 Dec 2023, 8:04 am
First topic message reminder :

Alyea Film, 
Reporters(?), Baker, Truly, and Campbell are discussing having just seen Oswald 

"WE SAW HIM IN A SMALL STORAGE ROOM ON THE GROUND FLOOR. THEN WE NOTICED HE WAS GONE. "

MR CAMPBELL ADDED. "OF COURSE, MR OSWALD AND THE OTHERS WERE ON THEIR LUNCH HOUR BUT HE DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO LEAVE THE BUILDING AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM SINCE." 

Plus behind Ochus is a warehouse worker standing around looking like he's waiting to go back to work?
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Does he look Oswaldish, same hairline. Has warehousemen type clothing on.

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Thu 21 Dec 2023, 9:14 am
C is guy on left side with cowlick/balding spot(?)
reminds me of Roger Craig looking guy in Fritz's office (Robbery Homicide)
Or guy looking up at TSBD in Wiegman??
No cowlick/spot tho...


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Thu 21 Dec 2023, 10:41 pm
Ed.Ledoux wrote:Done

Wonderful. Hope he will be able to identify them.

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Thu 21 Dec 2023, 11:52 pm
Here's a better look at where these guys are. Baker's back faces the elevators as if he came from that direction.

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 8:13 am
Found a 9th person in this group. He can be seen at the very beginning of the film clip for a split second. If you watch the clip, Baker turns around to watch as 9th person walks away towards the elevator.

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 12:06 pm
Pretty close match here for F guy (closet guy on right in Alyea clip). He's upstairs searching the TSBD, appears to be a detective;

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 12:14 pm
Upstairs for the F guy match;

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 1:22 pm
F guy match has a gun out, so very early stages of the search upstairs. The question now is, if its the same guy, has he come from the Alyea group on 1st to begin searching?

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 2:02 pm
The big guy on the left in the Alyea group on 1st could be this guy. The upper bald patch we see appears to be where this guy's hair part starts at the back. The hair we see above his forehead, we have to imagine him spun around, so that would be where his hair has been combed to his right side.

Again, this guy, like the F guy, could have come from the 1st floor group and has now begun the search upstairs.

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 3:04 pm
And here's the guy with the hat that has a band and badge on the side. Found him upstairs also. It's beginning to look like before Alyea and the three unidentified guys closest to the camera went upstairs to search, they all had huddle with Baker and Truly on 1st.

Baker then departs the TSBD circa 12:45. 

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 4:42 pm
Yep thats him Tony!
Nicely done.
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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 4:53 pm
Yep thats him Tony!


Thanks mate. I've been looking at when Alyea arrived. Both him and Biffle seem to indicate that the front was sealed right after they got in. Alyea has a herd of people going in with him, Biffle removed his press pass and went in a mob.


So it appears Alyea jumps over near the Domino Room and starts filming. From there, at least 4 of them start the search through the upper floors. Film clip time maybe circa 12:40, enough time for detectives to arrive from wherever.
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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 6:02 pm
Right, Alyea says he 'follows them up to fourth floor'
Thats the them and they go up to location as per Bakers Affidavit... the 4th floor.
Bingo, we have a winner.
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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 8:07 pm
Excellent Tony.

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 8:26 pm
Thanks Vinny. Ed's man could be the find of the century. I doubt Frazier will ID the 3 detectives, and I'm getting the feeling that there's no way he's going to put a name to Ed's man.

As Tague, Alyea and a few others said, there was nothing initially happening in front of the TSBD, as far as the law focussing on that building went. Alyea noticed someone looking up and thought maybe something is going on inside, so in he went.

Frazier checked his watch as sank his teeth into a sanga in the basement, and had but ten minutes to go until work time. So he was outside for many minutes with no Baker pushing past. I had Baker at least checking the fire escape on Houston, but he could have ventured over to the Dal Tex and looked about as Greg mentioned. Baker has to blow several minutes at least.
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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 8:46 pm
Tony Krome wrote:Thanks Vinny. Ed's man could be the find of the century. I doubt Frazier will ID the 3 detectives, and I'm getting the feeling that there's no way he's going to put a name to Ed's man.

As Tague, Alyea and a few others said, there was nothing initially happening in front of the TSBD, as far as the law focussing on that building went. Alyea noticed someone looking up and thought maybe something is going on inside, so in he went.

Frazier checked his watch as sank his teeth into a sanga in the basement, and had but ten minutes to go until work time. So he was outside for many minutes with no Baker pushing past. I had Baker at least checking the fire escape on Houston, but he could have ventured over to the Dal Tex and looked about as Greg menti inoned. Baker has to blow several minutes at least.

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Sat 23 Dec 2023, 10:39 pm
Ed's man reminds me of Wednesday. Shelley, Truly and Caster checking out rifles, Oswald nonchalantly close enough to listen in.
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Sun 24 Dec 2023, 8:29 am
Don't know how to break this to you guys, but Ed's "man" is Sarah Stanton.  tongue

Seriously though, excellent work.

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Sun 24 Dec 2023, 10:56 am
Is a vault a storage room? 

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Tue 26 Dec 2023, 12:32 pm
Someone at the TSBD told the WC photographer it was a Storage Room.

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Tue 26 Dec 2023, 2:07 pm
A perfect room to change film in a camera, dark no windows.
Front storage under the stairs was the original choice of 'small storage' rooms, and it had a waste hamper, ideal for tossing apple cores or "sanga" wrappings after lunch near the front entrance.
Vault is a great spot for Lee to plunder for old American Bakeries pay slips. (I jest)



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Tue 26 Dec 2023, 2:59 pm
Campbell is still telling the same story to DMN that Lee was on first floor, in small storage room.
Incredibly Baker et al would pass by a small storage room on the way to rear elevators/stairs, and past the first floors 'lunch room'
How Lee transported between 4th floor and the storage room has puzzled the likes of warrenistas and lone gunmen faithfuls for years.
They rely on Baker not being able to recall the difference between *two flights* of stairs to reach the next floor up and *SIX FLIGHTS* of stairs to reach 4th floor... regarless of any ground floor first floor controversy.
(unless he is meeting people on each floor, then yes perhaps confused as to which person on which floor)... but not after first set of stairs, that would be remarkable, having just set out, to go up. And bam you encounter a guy running away.
ANYWAYS, the Alyea film has become a huge blessing for team ROKC as it documents a Fib On Film. Again the likes of David Von Pein avoiding the film on his channels is tellling! Makes a mockery of his assertions as well as WC's. So you wont find the clip there even though it is historic jfk tsbd film.

Why doesnt either Baker Truly mention the ladies on 4th floor looking out the West windows or Mrs Garner whom sees Truly Baker.
Again, the Baker truly encounter only works in a vacuum. Where there's no one else in the building. There's a fictitiously Oswald on the second floor Baker and truly a few people on the first floor that they encounter,. But they don't insult them with weapon drawn. I guess maybe they do but none of them say that they got a pistol stuck in their stomach or recall a pistol packing policeman.  Thry did not get assualted nor questioned as to whether they work there or not. And so supposedly, he runs up 2 flights of stairs to the next floor and then starts sticking his pistol in the guts of people in lunch rooms? Really?
I just find the whole thing with Baker and truly to be easily dismissed and its the Alyea film that helps with that tremendously.  It's like the icing on the cake for PrayerMan existing being Darnell and Wegman films of PM in the TSBD entrance. The second floor lunch room encounter rubbish is likewise dismissed by the Alyea film.
This clown shows Uber Over! As there's no way truly and Baker, go all the way up to the roof and then come back down after all the encounters and searching and are just seen by Alyea as he runs into the building as Alyea encounters this group there with Campbell still there on the first floor, rather gonna up to his office, you know he's the big Whig, yet you're hanging around and talking to no one.
What did he Wait for a cop to come down from the roof he doesn't know is even up there. Campbell's gonna come in, go about his business.  Right, he (campbell) thinks the shooting is down the street. So this lays bare this disassembles everything that we've been told, it's all b*******! Yeah Alyea comes in, sees Baker and truly right there with Campbell. They're all talking and discussing and pointing to the front entrance, and then after this saying I've seen somebody near the entrance in the store room (or over there in the vault in the lil store room.)  They make up some b******* and the cops go upstairs anyways to go up to the fourth floor where Gee just so happens, Baker says later on encounter with somebody walking away in a tan jacket on 4th floor.
 It's the Alyea film that makes a mockery of all that, timing wise, etc.
Where is Garner in Roy's or Baker's statements, at or from ANY TIME... seems an absolutely necessary witness as for their timing.
Garner like Alyea destroys the TSBD as the scene of a shooting.

God bless Tom for slipping inside that day, and having the sense to grab his edited film from the trash,,  or all we'd have is David Von Pien's fake news channels offerings.
All hail Alyea!
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Tue 26 Dec 2023, 4:07 pm
All hail Alyea!


The earliest of early stories has 5 ingredients. Campbell, Truly, Baker, Oswald and the Storage Room.


And bugger me, Alyea managed to capture the lot in one corner of the building within 10 minutes.


I'm waiting now to hear about Alyea's mental problems, and how he was committed to an asylum.


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Tue 26 Dec 2023, 5:36 pm
Holy Xmas are they getting coal stocking stuffers!
Merry Christmas to all!
CHEERS!
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Wed 27 Dec 2023, 10:29 am
Just going on the photos of the two "Storage Rooms" in question, the one under the stairs with the trash hamper and essentially dead space beneath stair steps is far more likely to be referred to by building residents such as Campbell as a "Janitors Closet". The Voucher and Sales Slip storage room on the other hand looks like a proper "Storage Room". Campbell was obviously a discerning and literate man. I think he described a Storage Room and not a Janitors Closet.

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