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StanDane- Posts : 3624
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Cops never do wrong
Fri 21 Jul 2017, 9:53 am
Bill Kelly once said, in so many words, that one of the main reasons he believes in the second floor lunchroom encounter was that he doesn't believe Marrion Baker would lie. I understand his pappy was a cop and he just couldn't accept that a cop would lie or otherwise be less than honest.
My pappy was a WW2 veteran. Using Bill's logic, all WW2 veterans—having sacrificed so much—should all be exempt from any criticism. They're all trustworthy.
This is complete horseshit, of course.
The purpose of this thread is to document incidences where cops lied, falsified evidence, or otherwise acted like, well, how a lot of people from Dallas act.
The following story is from Baltimore MD. A cop planted drugs but forgot his body cam was on.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-body-camera-footage-20170719-story.html
I laughed when I read this. Even when the evidence is in their face they obscure and try to evade responsibility.
My pappy was a WW2 veteran. Using Bill's logic, all WW2 veterans—having sacrificed so much—should all be exempt from any criticism. They're all trustworthy.
This is complete horseshit, of course.
The purpose of this thread is to document incidences where cops lied, falsified evidence, or otherwise acted like, well, how a lot of people from Dallas act.
The following story is from Baltimore MD. A cop planted drugs but forgot his body cam was on.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-body-camera-footage-20170719-story.html
I laughed when I read this. Even when the evidence is in their face they obscure and try to evade responsibility.
greg_parkerAdmin- Posts : 7988
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Fri 21 Jul 2017, 10:37 am
Wow! Impeccable timing.
I was going to make a post about a documentary I watched last night. Looks like this is the place for it.
I was going to make a post about a documentary I watched last night. Looks like this is the place for it.
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Fri 21 Jul 2017, 10:57 am
The documentary was made back in 2002 by a French film-maker. The docu follows the trial of a 15 year old boy being tried as an adult in Florida.
Here is the bare bones of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_on_a_Sunday_Morning
The entire show is available to watch on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFLbptkb1eM
I strongly advise everyone to watch it.
The main defense attorney was brilliant and brutal in taking down the cops. Forget all the others. We need this guy (if he is still around).
Four months after his successful defense, he even the solved the case.
But here's the thing. He all but named the Reid Interrogation technique as the real culprit by telling one of the cops he learned what he did with the kid from the 5 trips he had made to "interrogation school".
There are a number of LHO parallels.
He was picked up off the street based solely on very loosely fitting the suspect description a bit over 2 hours after the murder. He was on his way to pick up an employment application and lived in the area. They then drove him to the only eyewitness - the 65 year old husband of the victim. He said "that's him". And that was the case there and then.
They kept him in interrogation and told him they would arrange a lawyer for him. Of course, that was a lie to stop him doing anything to get one.
They didn't even bother faking any evidence, or checking out his alibi - nothing. They had a witness, and they were determined to sow the case up with a confession. And that's what they went to court with. One witness and a confession signed after threats and a beating.
I wan't say any more. Just watch it. The defense guy is the absolute bomb. An old-fashioned chain smoking no nonsense see-through-your-bullshit-so-let's-dance attorney.
Here is the bare bones of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_on_a_Sunday_Morning
The entire show is available to watch on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFLbptkb1eM
I strongly advise everyone to watch it.
The main defense attorney was brilliant and brutal in taking down the cops. Forget all the others. We need this guy (if he is still around).
Four months after his successful defense, he even the solved the case.
But here's the thing. He all but named the Reid Interrogation technique as the real culprit by telling one of the cops he learned what he did with the kid from the 5 trips he had made to "interrogation school".
There are a number of LHO parallels.
He was picked up off the street based solely on very loosely fitting the suspect description a bit over 2 hours after the murder. He was on his way to pick up an employment application and lived in the area. They then drove him to the only eyewitness - the 65 year old husband of the victim. He said "that's him". And that was the case there and then.
They kept him in interrogation and told him they would arrange a lawyer for him. Of course, that was a lie to stop him doing anything to get one.
They didn't even bother faking any evidence, or checking out his alibi - nothing. They had a witness, and they were determined to sow the case up with a confession. And that's what they went to court with. One witness and a confession signed after threats and a beating.
I wan't say any more. Just watch it. The defense guy is the absolute bomb. An old-fashioned chain smoking no nonsense see-through-your-bullshit-so-let's-dance attorney.
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Sat 22 Jul 2017, 8:38 am
greg parker wrote:The documentary was made back in 2002 by a French film-maker. The docu follows the trial of a 15 year old boy being tried as an adult in Florida.
Here is the bare bones of it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_on_a_Sunday_Morning
The entire show is available to watch on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFLbptkb1eM
I strongly advise everyone to watch it.
The main defense attorney was brilliant and brutal in taking down the cops. Forget all the others. We need this guy (if he is still around).
Four months after his successful defense, he even the solved the case.
But here's the thing. He all but named the Reid Interrogation technique as the real culprit by telling one of the cops he learned what he did with the kid from the 5 trips he had made to "interrogation school".
There are a number of LHO parallels.
He was picked up off the street based solely on very loosely fitting the suspect description a bit over 2 hours after the murder. He was on his way to pick up an employment application and lived in the area. They then drove him to the only eyewitness - the 65 year old husband of the victim. He said "that's him". And that was the case there and then.
They kept him in interrogation and told him they would arrange a lawyer for him. Of course, that was a lie to stop him doing anything to get one.
They didn't even bother faking any evidence, or checking out his alibi - nothing. They had a witness, and they were determined to sow the case up with a confession. And that's what they went to court with. One witness and a confession signed after threats and a beating.
I wan't say any more. Just watch it. The defense guy is the absolute bomb. An old-fashioned chain smoking no nonsense see-through-your-bullshit-so-let's-dance attorney.
Looks good! Gonna watch it this weekend.
In the meantime, here's an LAPD cop who is accused of sexual assault of a minor and felony weapons charges:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-robert-cain-court-20170721-story.html
Even so, it's inconceivable that Marrion Baker could have been less than 100% honest.
steely_dan- Posts : 2226
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Sat 22 Jul 2017, 9:44 am
Just finished watching this. My first thought is that the DA's office must have thought that nobody would bother to make the effort to defend a black kid for murdering a white tourist. How wrong could they be!
It's one thing to railroad a guy when you have the whole legal system sown up.....including the right to allow him to be shot while in your custody....quite another thing when a most able defender can demonstrate just how fucking inept you are.
I hope the good folks at the mock trial later this year take note.
It's one thing to railroad a guy when you have the whole legal system sown up.....including the right to allow him to be shot while in your custody....quite another thing when a most able defender can demonstrate just how fucking inept you are.
I hope the good folks at the mock trial later this year take note.
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Jake_Sykes- Posts : 1015
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Sun 23 Jul 2017, 2:33 am
Edge of seat, tear in eye. Wow.
So we see the irony of the prosecutor's closing remarks when she said if the jury accepts the defense in this case then they must accept that a conspiracy occurred within law enforcement that is on a par with one Oliver Stone (!).
I trust that the prosecutor is now thoroughly convinced, as she should be, that PM is Lee Harvey Oswald.
So we see the irony of the prosecutor's closing remarks when she said if the jury accepts the defense in this case then they must accept that a conspiracy occurred within law enforcement that is on a par with one Oliver Stone (!).
I trust that the prosecutor is now thoroughly convinced, as she should be, that PM is Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Sun 23 Jul 2017, 9:54 am
And the real killer looked NOTHING - NOTHING like the kid.
The more time goes by, the more convinced I am that this is the path to be on - and the angrier I get at all sides of this case for the shit they pile on. This shouldn't be a difficult case to - if not solve - at least to exonerate the accused. But that pile of shit keeps all the right people away from touching it.
Steely, I have been told the mock trial will concentrate on the forensic evidence. On that basis, I assume it will be more of the same - this test is invalid or wrong blah blah blah. All good to point out junk science, but to do it in isolation of the overall frame gets us nowhere and we stay in limbo. Why? because it makes it look like the junk science was state of the art, but now we know it's not accurate, with the unstated subtext being that the police didn't know any better, and the actual railroading is again omitted from the inquiry.
Jake - yes, same reaction here. For me, just one look at the kid was all I needed to know he never had a criminal thought in his head ever. And yes - the line about Stone was mind-blowing. She tried to make it sound like it would need to be a conspiracy of Watergate proportions. In reality, it just takes a very small number of cops to do it and for everyone else to turn a blind eye...
The more time goes by, the more convinced I am that this is the path to be on - and the angrier I get at all sides of this case for the shit they pile on. This shouldn't be a difficult case to - if not solve - at least to exonerate the accused. But that pile of shit keeps all the right people away from touching it.
Steely, I have been told the mock trial will concentrate on the forensic evidence. On that basis, I assume it will be more of the same - this test is invalid or wrong blah blah blah. All good to point out junk science, but to do it in isolation of the overall frame gets us nowhere and we stay in limbo. Why? because it makes it look like the junk science was state of the art, but now we know it's not accurate, with the unstated subtext being that the police didn't know any better, and the actual railroading is again omitted from the inquiry.
Jake - yes, same reaction here. For me, just one look at the kid was all I needed to know he never had a criminal thought in his head ever. And yes - the line about Stone was mind-blowing. She tried to make it sound like it would need to be a conspiracy of Watergate proportions. In reality, it just takes a very small number of cops to do it and for everyone else to turn a blind eye...
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Sun 23 Jul 2017, 12:54 pm
Absolutely Greg. It wasn't that the tight little cluster of officialdom didn't know he was an innocent kid, they were the conspiracy to deprive him of that obvious truth, and so instead literally beat him into confessing. His innocence was so obvious the defense put the kid on the stand just to wipe away all doubt that he was anything but an honest, good 15 year old, and of course it worked to do exactly that.
The prosecutor epitomized the cultural mindset that says if officialdom says it's so, then put your brain away and say it is so also, else you forever smell of conspiratorial fruitcake, or worse yet tolerance of "the other". That was the lame kung foo she tried on the jury, so lame they threw the fruitcake right back in her face. It's an active culture of institutional racism, ignorance of humanity, and authoritarianism. It's the culture that "doesn't believe in conspiracies", particularly when covering one up.
The prosecutor epitomized the cultural mindset that says if officialdom says it's so, then put your brain away and say it is so also, else you forever smell of conspiratorial fruitcake, or worse yet tolerance of "the other". That was the lame kung foo she tried on the jury, so lame they threw the fruitcake right back in her face. It's an active culture of institutional racism, ignorance of humanity, and authoritarianism. It's the culture that "doesn't believe in conspiracies", particularly when covering one up.
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Ed.Ledoux- Posts : 3077
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Thu 27 Jul 2017, 10:46 pm
The Dallas Cowboy football player whom was suspended/fired for being arrested for shoplifting less than $200.
Seems the black man arrested had no ID but knew this football players information, social, address, DOB, maiden, and the cops wrote a summons then let this person go.
This person of course wasn't a Dallas Cowboy making millions, and did not show up for court... so an active warrant went out.
The Cowboys organization hears this and fires the player.
Lucky Whitehead mistaken identity case:
“Let’s not sugarcoat anything,” Whitehead said in an interview with The Dallas Morning News. “I was pretty much being called a liar.”
“Officers acted in good faith that, at the time, the man in custody was the same man matching the information provided,”
Sgt. Jonathan Perok said in a statement.
“The Police Department is currently seeking the identity of the man involved in the incident.”
Soooo lucky,
or not,
as the Cowboy's are not resigning him, he's been cut from the team.
Lucky not so lucky after all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/sports/lucky-whitehead-cowboys-shoplifting-release.html
As in the Butler case,
According to the family's attorney, Tom Fallis, the settlement calls for the city to pay Butler $775,000. The settlement followed three weeks of negotiations between the parties over the suit, which was filed in October.
Fallis said the family decided to settle for various reasons, including concerns about how long the case would drag out and whether it could be proved under federal civil rights law.
City officials are denying any responsibility for what happened to Butler under the action. The settlement releases the police officers from any liability.
As good as that is this next case will astonish you.
Police were responding to a call involving a machete-wielding man at a nearby grocery store. When Hargrove biked past the grocery store, police confronted her and demanded to search her bag.
Police in Bakersfield, Calif., said they are investigating the K9 attack and arrest of a 19-year-old woman officers mistook for a 30-year-old man, an incident the woman's family blamed on racial discrimination.
On June 18, officers mistook the 5-foot-2, 115-pound Tatyana Hargrove for a man they were searching for, Douglas Washington, who is 5 feet 10 inches tall, 170 pounds, bald and has a goatee.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/07/13/Arrest-K9-attack-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-in-California/4601499922265/
No wrong indeed.
Cheers, Ed
Seems the black man arrested had no ID but knew this football players information, social, address, DOB, maiden, and the cops wrote a summons then let this person go.
This person of course wasn't a Dallas Cowboy making millions, and did not show up for court... so an active warrant went out.
The Cowboys organization hears this and fires the player.
Lucky Whitehead mistaken identity case:
“Let’s not sugarcoat anything,” Whitehead said in an interview with The Dallas Morning News. “I was pretty much being called a liar.”
“Officers acted in good faith that, at the time, the man in custody was the same man matching the information provided,”
Sgt. Jonathan Perok said in a statement.
“The Police Department is currently seeking the identity of the man involved in the incident.”
Soooo lucky,
or not,
as the Cowboy's are not resigning him, he's been cut from the team.
Lucky not so lucky after all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/sports/lucky-whitehead-cowboys-shoplifting-release.html
As in the Butler case,
According to the family's attorney, Tom Fallis, the settlement calls for the city to pay Butler $775,000. The settlement followed three weeks of negotiations between the parties over the suit, which was filed in October.
Fallis said the family decided to settle for various reasons, including concerns about how long the case would drag out and whether it could be proved under federal civil rights law.
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As good as that is this next case will astonish you.
Police were responding to a call involving a machete-wielding man at a nearby grocery store. When Hargrove biked past the grocery store, police confronted her and demanded to search her bag.
Police in Bakersfield, Calif., said they are investigating the K9 attack and arrest of a 19-year-old woman officers mistook for a 30-year-old man, an incident the woman's family blamed on racial discrimination.
On June 18, officers mistook the 5-foot-2, 115-pound Tatyana Hargrove for a man they were searching for, Douglas Washington, who is 5 feet 10 inches tall, 170 pounds, bald and has a goatee.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/07/13/Arrest-K9-attack-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-in-California/4601499922265/
No wrong indeed.
Cheers, Ed
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Wed 06 Sep 2017, 4:05 am
Deputy shoots Ohio news photographer while setting up to take pictures of traffic stop.
https://www.newcarlislenews.net/index.php/public-records/sheriff-reports-6/3290-deputy-shoots-new-carlisle-news-photographer
No excuse for this shit.
https://www.newcarlislenews.net/index.php/public-records/sheriff-reports-6/3290-deputy-shoots-new-carlisle-news-photographer
No excuse for this shit.
LoganWhite- Posts : 6
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Thu 14 Jun 2018, 7:58 pm
Completely agree with you, but I think yourself know that sometimes you have to break the law for justice !? Do not think anything of this, I do not defend anyone, crime is always a crimeStan Dane wrote:Deputy shoots Ohio news photographer while setting up to take pictures of traffic stop.
No excuse for this shit.
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Re: Cops never do wrong
Fri 15 Jun 2018, 3:18 am
Crime is subject to law. It really is that petty. Justice, if there is such a thing, usually is administered as a form of compensation or retribution but only if a crime against the law has been committed. Law and order are inextricably linked. You can't have one without the other. There is no divine order when it comes to the law. It's in place to protect the state of authority. That's what cops are all about.
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